WVU (Smith) vs Syracuse (Nassib) on ESPN

[WildBB]

I was really disappointed to find out about the poor weather conditions. I was really looking forward to seeing these QBs do their thing.

In the NFL they have to play well in those kinds of conditions We go up and play in northern climates outdoors. Nassib showed much better throughout to me.

 

[PJ1]

When was this? when he had 7 straight incompletions in the first half. He completed one pass I believe past 15 yards. I think many people here just hate Geno for some reason. If you watched the game Geno was so much better at audibling at the line running through his options and reading the defense. Jesse Palmer even commented many times on it throughout the game.

He had more than a couple of drops today but thought he threw the ball better than Smith. Smith got beat up pretty good in this game. Two safeties and a fumble converted into a TD. Also 0-10 on third down.

 

[vinnymac]

I didn't watch this game. My conclusion from reading these posts is that neither one of these QB are QB of the future material. Fix the o-line with the first pick.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

In the NFL they have to play well in those kinds of conditions We go up and play in northern climates outdoors. Nassib showed much better throughout to me.

Even in the NFL teams generally resort more to the run game and short passing game.

 

[Jetstream Green]

Both QBs looked like total crap in that game, regardless of the conditions. If they were not considered top prospects going in, the announcers would not have been given constant excuses. The halfback for Syracuse was worth watching

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

When was this? when he had 7 straight incompletions in the first half. He completed one pass I believe past 15 yards. I think many people here just hate Geno for some reason. If you watched the game Geno was so much better at audibling at the line running through his options and reading the defense. Jesse Palmer even commented many times on it throughout the game.

I don't hate Geno Smith but Nassib just looked like more the NFL QB than Smith. Smith's first TD was the result of Bailey breaking tackles and going 32 yards on a dumpoff.

Nassib had 3 drops in the first half and took awhile to recover from the shot he took, which also showed good toughness.

Like I said, I didn't watch the 2nd half but here was Smith in the 1st half
1st quarter: 4 for 8 for 17 yards with a long pass of 9 yards.
2nd quarter: 5 for 7 for 45 yards with a 32 yard TD in which 28 yards were RAC by Bailey. Also took a safety. Take away that RAC and he was 8 for 14 for for 30 yards. That's the epitome of dink and dunk.

I'm not ripping him because of the conditions, but you're asking what game we were watching. I'm asking what game were you watching?

I'm not saying Nassib looked great but there's no question. from what I watched, to me who was the better QB.

 

[az jam]

I can't see Geno Smith being the Number one pick in the draft in fact I don't see him as a top ten pick.

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

This is why bowl games shouldnt be played in the north.

This would have been a great opportunity to see two top QB's battle each other. Neither looked good and there were a lot of drops on both sides of the ball

If you believe the pundits however, Smith isx rated as the #1 QB in the draft and I believe Nassib was #7??

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I can't see Geno Smith being the Number one pick in the draft in fact I don't see him as a top ten pick.

I don't either. What I think will happen is there will be a flurry of trades with teams at the top of round 2 trying to move into the 20's to get their QB. I can see Glennon, Smith, Wilson, Barkley, and even Nassib all being nabbed in late round 1.

 

[HoodieBets]

there is no way in hell Nassib goes in the first or second round

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

I don't hate Geno Smith but Nassib just looked like more the NFL QB than Smith. Smith's first TD was the result of Bailey breaking tackles and going 32 yards on a dumpoff.

Nassib had 3 drops in the first half and took awhile to recover from the shot he took, which also showed good toughness.

Like I said, I didn't watch the 2nd half but here was Smith in the 1st half
1st quarter: 4 for 8 for 17 yards with a long pass of 9 yards.
2nd quarter: 5 for 7 for 45 yards with a 32 yard TD in which 28 yards were RAC by Bailey. Also took a safety. Take away that RAC and he was 8 for 14 for for 30 yards. That's the epitome of dink and dunk.

I'm not ripping him because of the conditions, but you're asking what game we were watching. I'm asking what game were you watching?

I'm not saying Nassib looked great but there's no question. from what I watched, to me who was the better QB.

You should really judge him on hiw whole body of work, nt just one game or just his stats. To call him a 'dink and dunk' QB is to say you havent watched him play much at all. He is noted for his arm and his deep ball among other things. (football IQ, etc)

Did he dink and dunk in this game? yes, but umm, had you watched the game you may have seen the blizzard-like conditions they were playing in. Both teams ran the ball a whole lot more than they normally do

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

You should really judge him on hiw whole body of work, nt just one game or just his stats. To call him a 'dink and dunk' QB is to say you havent watched him play much at all. He is noted for his arm and his deep ball among other things. (football IQ, etc)

Did he dink and dunk in this game? yes, but umm, had you watched the game you may have seen the blizzard-like conditions they were playing in. Both teams ran the ball a whole lot more than they normally do

I've seen him play plenty. I've said he throws a nice deep ball when he has a clean pocket. I pointed he had 8 completion for 30 yards. That's dink and dunk. When he played LSU, he was dink and dunk. I'm not ripping on him, I'm just not sold on him either. I don't like that the vast majority of his passes are of the very short variety. I don't like the Texas Tech style passing game. He's still going to be either the 1st or 2nd QB taken.

It's nothing perosnal. Azcardsfan1616 seems to have taken it as a personal afront and is determined to run down Nassib at all costs. As if that will make Smith better. I think the majority thought Nassib looked better.

 

[ajcardfan]

Both of these QBs are overrated and will be lucky to be reliable backups IMO . I haven't been very impressed with either one all year long. Especially Smith, who seems to think of himself as really hot schizz.

 

[Jetstream Green]

Both of these QBs are overrated and will be lucky to be reliable backups IMO . I haven't been very impressed with either one all year long. Especially Smith, who seems to think of himself as really hot schizz.

I agree, and Smith only looks the part in a perfect world of OL pocket protection but really crumbles under duress in my opinion

 

[HoodieBets]

It's nothing perosnal. Azcardsfan1616 seems to have taken it as a personal afront and is determined to run down Nassib at all costs. As if that will make Smith better. I think the majority thought Nassib looked better.

I run down Nassib because people on this board have a huge ***** for him for some reason. If you dont like Smith fine then take Glennon because hes gonna go top 15 too. Im sorry but anyone who thinks Nassib did better today hasnt watched many 22's or doesnt understand how he managed that offensive line and play calling. Nassib will go in the 3-4th round he shouldnt even be discussed as a person the cards should take. If you arent gonna draft a QB round 1 then dont draft one at all because the only 2 QB's worth a damn in this draft are Smith and Glennon and the tapes prove it.

Geno dink and dunked when he had to. Against KSU they dropped 7 back in coverage 42 of 43 geno smith dropbacks what do you want him to do force it into coverage? WVU led the nation in completions per game of over 15 yards at close to 8 dink and dunk is the last way to describe geno. The dude on the regular completes 60% of his passes and he actually completed over 70% this year. He is head and shoulders the best QB in the draft.

 

[kerouac9]

Nassib reminded me of Tom Brady--his first three years in the league. Good size, nice savvy, needed to be protected by a good running game and offensive line.

Didn't see enough of Smith to make any decisions.

Based on this game, I wouldn't take either of these guys in the first round. But people who compare Nassib to Kolb don't know what they're talking about. Nassib is light years ahead of Skelton in terms of reads and accuracy (and should be, considering his coaching and experience level) but is much closer to Skelton in terms of style of play.

 

[Jetstream Green]

I think we need to take to heart the truth of the situation and that is there really might not be a true 1st round talent at the position, regardless of where the importance of the position gets them selected. Such a circumstance is going to make a lot of us a lot more critical of these guys because how dare does the college ranks not have any 1st round talents at the position when we need it most haha. I still like Wilson but think he is late 1st round talent and Murray out of Georgia intrigues me but I have only seen a few games of him

 

[TJ]

If Geno Smith figures to be the first QB off the board, this 2013 class could arguably be the worst QB class in the history of the NFL draft. Another one-read QB who can't go through his progressions.

Nassib is very underwhelming. As someone who roots for 'Cuse, I want nothing to do with him. He has no real strengths like uncanny accuracy or big arm.




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[HoodieBets]

Nassib reminded me of Tom Brady--his first three years in the league. Good size, nice savvy, needed to be protected by a good running game and offensive line.

Didn't see enough of Smith to make any decisions.

Based on this game, I wouldn't take either of these guys in the first round. But people who compare Nassib to Kolb don't know what they're talking about. Nassib is light years ahead of Skelton in terms of reads and accuracy (and should be, considering his coaching and experience level) but is much closer to Skelton in terms of style of play.

Seeing as you refrenced two things I said I guess Ill respond. Stat wise Kolb and Nassib are very similar they both comepleted roughly 61% in their college career and they are close in yards in their senior year. Both are 6'3 and around the same weight.

Kevin Kolbs pre draft scouting report...

Kolb is an intriguing sleeper at the quarterback position. Despite a phenomenal college career, he is still relatively unknown. That's simply the reality of playing at Houston. But Kolb made himself known to people who matter-such as NFL scouts-with an enormous senior season. Kolb threw 30 touchdowns to just four interceptions in leading Houston to a Liberty Bowl appearance, where he threw for 386 yards and three scores in a loss to South Carolina. That's great production, and Kolb has great potential. He has good size (6-3, 220 pounds) and arm strength and is a surprisingly adept runner considering his size. Kolb is a real threat to beat defenses with both his arm and his legs. Having been a four-year starter for the Cougars, Kolb clearly has necessary experience to step right in and be a serviceable backup. Kolb has to work on his accuracy and holding onto the football. There's also some suspicion that Kolb's results might have been the product of Houston's pass-happy spread offense. He will either be a late day one pick or early day two.

Ryan Nassib scouting report....

Ryan Nassib was a highly productive player at Syracuse and improved each year. Has adequate height and bulk for an NFL starter. He has slightly above avg arm strength. His mobility allows him to roll out and escape pressure and make plays down-field. He makes good decisions and has very good touch and accuracy on short and intermediate routes. His deep ball tends to hang up in the air a bit and causes receivers to stop routes and adjust to the ball. At times his mechanics are bit lacking. Overall He has the potential to be an NFL starter and could be drafted in the middle part of the draft. 4 th round. After a very productive year his stock seems to be on the rise.



Seems pretty similar to me.

 

[TJ]

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[Cbus cardsfan]

I run down Nassib because people on this board have a huge ***** for him for some reason. If you dont like Smith fine then take Glennon because hes gonna go top 15 too. Im sorry but anyone who thinks Nassib did better today hasnt watched many 22's or doesnt understand how he managed that offensive line and play calling. Nassib will go in the 3-4th round he shouldnt even be discussed as a person the cards should take. If you arent gonna draft a QB round 1 then dont draft one at all because the only 2 QB's worth a damn in this draft are Smith and Glennon and the tapes prove it.

Geno dink and dunked when he had to. Against KSU they dropped 7 back in coverage 42 of 43 geno smith dropbacks what do you want him to do force it into coverage? WVU led the nation in completions per game of over 15 yards at close to 8 dink and dunk is the last way to describe geno. The dude on the regular completes 60% of his passes and he actually completed over 70% this year. He is head and shoulders the best QB in the draft.

When you have Tavion Bell alot of those 15 yard completions were the result of a 3 yard pass, which also explains a 70% completion rate.

Actually, Geno Smith's pass happy spread offense is much closer to what Kolb played in than Nassib.

 

[GatorAZ]

Nassib is really bad at times but he's at least projectable as a backup. He's the kind of QB that drives you crazy nuts half the time then plays really well.

Geno can make all the throws but he's a spread guy who has to throw cause WV has historically one of the worst defenses in college football history. Syracuse handed the ball off 13 straight plays today and their RB had the best game of his career. Can't really gauge a QB's performance when the defense is horrid.

KC Chiefs sucked 1 year too late...

 

[HoodieBets]

When you have Tavion Bell alot of those 15 yard completions were the result of a 3 yard pass, which also explains a 70% completion rate.

Actually, Geno Smith's pass happy spread offense is much closer to what Kolb played in than Nassib.

if you watched him play at all you would know what you are saying is completely untrue. The dude chucks the ball downfield when the option is there for him. His deep ball is one of his best qualities please go on YouTube and watch his games from this year. He has the most accurate long ball in college football hands down.

 

[gamebird98]

ABSOLUTELY NOT ....as a season ticket holder I have seen him up close and personal. He consistantly throws behind receivers and a majority of his passes are short over the middle. You can watch all the games you want on tv but you really get a true perspective of his accuracy when you are there live......now that being said, I think he will "survive" (Josh McCown) In the NFL. He is smart and can read defenses but I dont think he is starting material. As a side note, My wife said "Nassib from Syracuse is projected to go to the NFL...WOW!..wouldnt have guessed it"

 

[schutd]

This is why bowl games shouldnt be played in the north.

This would have been a great opportunity to see two top QB's battle each other. Neither looked good and there were a lot of drops on both sides of the ball

If you believe the pundits however, Smith isx rated as the #1 QB in the draft and I believe Nassib was #7??

Since when did the weather of a particular region become a defining factor of the validity of a game???? Since fantasy football made the game about indiv.stats. Thats when.

Crap weather makes for GREAT football.