Xavier Thomas article…

[Chopper0080]

You find me any list put together by anyone that has JT as a top 20 safety. Heck see if you can find anyone that gives him an honourable mention.

Winfield
Hamilton
Budda
Bates
Minkah
Williams
Holland
James
McKinney
Byard
Hufanga
All 3 Vikings safeties
Alohi Gilman
Kam Curl
Geno Stone
CGJ
Simmons
Badger
Dugger
Pitre
Branch
Cisco
Peppers

That's 25.

There's an ESPN article below where league execs, scouts and coaches rank their top 10 but it lists all who received a single vote and there are 25. Guess who isn't on it?

Who are the NFL's best safeties? Execs, coaches and scouts help rank 2024's top 10

Who are the best safeties in the NFL? Execs, coaches and scouts from around the league ranked their top 10 in our annual summer series.

www.espn.co.uk

JT is a guy. He's a solid guy. Occasionally a good guy. But there are a whole lot of better safeties in the league.

Wow...just ignoring stats.

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[Chopper0080]

Pitre is better though he didn't have a single int (not a playmaker), worse comp%, worse QB rating, and almost double the missed tackle%?

You are just out here throwing garbage against the wall.

 

[Chopper0080]

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Closer but still not better.

 

[Chopper0080]

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[DVontel]

Pitre is better though he didn't have a single int (not a playmaker), worse comp%, worse QB rating, and almost double the missed tackle%.

You are just out here throwing garbage against the wall.

Go on Texans Reddit or social media & even you’ll see most of them say he was awful last year. Hell, he looked awful against us when we played Houston last year.


Feel like the best way to judge a player’s currently ability on another team is what the their fanbase says about them.

 

[Chopper0080]

CJ Gardner-Johnson played 3 games last year.

 

[kerouac9]

PFF Safety Rankings: Top 32 ahead of the 2024 NFL season

We rank the top 32 safeties ahead of the 2024 season, starting with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers' Antoine Winfield Jr.

www.pff.com

PFF had him at 26. Kinda splitting hairs at that point?

 

[MadCardDisease]

PFF Safety Rankings: Top 32 ahead of the 2024 NFL season

We rank the top 32 safeties ahead of the 2024 season, starting with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers' Antoine Winfield Jr.

www.pff.com

PFF had him at 26. Kinda splitting hairs at that point?

yeah once you get past the top 10-15 safeties it's really hard to rank the rest. You could pretty much make a case for any of the next 15 players if you wanted to.

 

[Chopper0080]

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This should sum it up. I think Derwin James is a better S than Jalen Thompson, however, the stats are very close. This highlights how close Jalen Thompson is statistically to some top S in the league. He is a top 20 guy.

 

[ajcardfan]

PFF Safety Rankings: Top 32 ahead of the 2024 NFL season

We rank the top 32 safeties ahead of the 2024 season, starting with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers' Antoine Winfield Jr.

www.pff.com

PFF had him at 26. Kinda splitting hairs at that point?

Just playing for the Cardinals costs players a half dozen spots or so on the rankings. Put them on Dallas and all of the sudden they will jump up the list next season.

IMO.

 

[Chopper0080]

PFF Safety Rankings: Top 32 ahead of the 2024 NFL season

We rank the top 32 safeties ahead of the 2024 season, starting with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers' Antoine Winfield Jr.

www.pff.com

PFF had him at 26. Kinda splitting hairs at that point?

PFF...has Metellus 19 and Jalen 26

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[Chopper0080]

PFF seems to place more weight on Ss who rush the passer than cover.

 

[DVontel]

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This should sum it up. I think Derwin James is a better S than Jalen Thompson, however, the stats are very close. This highlights how close Jalen Thompson is statistically to some top S in the league. He is a top 20 guy.

I don’t think so. Derwin was a straight up liability last year.

 

[oaken1]

You find me any list put together by anyone that has JT as a top 20 safety. Heck see if you can find anyone that gives him an honourable mention.

Winfield
Hamilton
Budda
Bates
Minkah
Williams
Holland
James
McKinney
Byard
Hufanga
All 3 Vikings safeties
Alohi Gilman
Kam Curl
Geno Stone
CGJ
Simmons
Badger
Dugger
Pitre
Branch
Cisco
Peppers

That's 25.

There's an ESPN article below where league execs, scouts and coaches rank their top 10 but it lists all who received a single vote and there are 25. Guess who isn't on it?

Who are the NFL's best safeties? Execs, coaches and scouts help rank 2024's top 10

Who are the best safeties in the NFL? Execs, coaches and scouts from around the league ranked their top 10 in our annual summer series.

www.espn.co.uk

JT is a guy. He's a solid guy. Occasionally a good guy. But there are a whole lot of better safeties in the league.

There are lies. Damn lies. And statistics.

JT is a top safety and would play a ton of snaps on any team in the NFL.

Fact.

 

[Chopper0080]

There are lies. Damn lies. And statistics.

JT is a top safety and would play a ton of snaps on any team in the NFL.

Fact.

The irritating part is that his list blatantly ignores statistics.

 

[oaken1]

The irritating part is that his list blatantly ignores statistics.

Yup. Damn lies is what that falls under.

 

[Goldfield]

Not sure why all the fuss over JT who has been solid. He isn’t part of the problem.

 

[kerouac9]

The irritating part is that his list blatantly ignores statistics.

Vibes is the best metric

 

[oaken1]

Vibes is the best metric

It is..when paired with the eye test.
Once watched Ronnie Lott have serious impact on a game without recording any stats.
Simply due to the fact that 4 WR's short armed easy catches because they knew he was about to blast their ribcage.
Stats rarely tell a true story and never tell a complete one.

 

[kerouac9]

It is..when paired with the eye test.
Once watched Ronnie Lott have serious impact on a game without recording any stats.
Simply due to the fact that 4 WR's short armed easy catches because they knew he was about to blast their ribcage.
Stats rarely tell a true story and never tell a complete one.

Examples from 30 years ago very relevant to this conversation

 

[phillycard]

You find me any list put together by anyone that has JT as a top 20 safety. Heck see if you can find anyone that gives him an honourable mention.

Winfield
Hamilton
Budda
Bates
Minkah
Williams
Holland
James
McKinney
Byard
Hufanga
All 3 Vikings safeties
Alohi Gilman
Kam Curl
Geno Stone
CGJ
Simmons
Badger
Dugger
Pitre
Branch
Cisco
Peppers

That's 25.

There's an ESPN article below where league execs, scouts and coaches rank their top 10 but it lists all who received a single vote and there are 25. Guess who isn't on it?

Who are the NFL's best safeties? Execs, coaches and scouts help rank 2024's top 10

Who are the best safeties in the NFL? Execs, coaches and scouts from around the league ranked their top 10 in our annual summer series.

www.espn.co.uk

JT is a guy. He's a solid guy. Occasionally a good guy. But there are a whole lot of better safeties in the league.

Byard?? He's cooked. he was absolute garbage for the eagles last year. This list is cute, but I know what I see and most of the bias against JT is that he plays for the Arizona Cardinals.

 

[DVontel]

Byard?? He's cooked. he was absolute garbage for the eagles last year. This list is cute, but I know what I see and most of the bias against JT is that he plays for the Arizona Cardinals.

Lmao I didn’t even notice Byard was on that list.


Classic BritCard.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

I mean he looks ok, but he is not going to be a superstar. I am happy we drafted him, but he is not going to be more then a 6-9 sack guy.

Do you know the winning Mega Millions numbers for Tuesday's drawing?

 

[cardncubfan]

Vibes is the best from music

ftfy

 

[BritCard]

The irritating part is that his list blatantly ignores statistics.

The irritating part is that if I used a single years stats to say that X was better than Y for literally any other player you would argue that "Stats, and especially a single years stats, do not make a fair comparison".

It's like arguing that EJ Speeds 64.4% completions allowed, and 73 passer rating allowed makes him better than Fred Warner as his stats are worse. Or Bobby Wagners 183 tackles and 3.5 sacks make him better than Warner as his stats are worse.

Terrel Bernard of the Bills had 6.5 sacks, 143 tackles. 71.4% completions allowed and 80.1 passer rating vs 2.5 sacks, 132 tackles, 73.7% passes allowed and 76.6 passer rating.

Is Terrel Bernard better than Fred Warner?