Yahoo QB rankings. Have Cards at #28

[MadCardDisease]

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28. Arizona Cardinals: Coach Ken Whisenhunt and general manager Rod Graves were very fortunate to get contract extensions this offseason because this could be an ugly year now that Kurt Warner(notes) has retired. Matt Leinart(notes) takes over and he doesn’t have a lot of believers inside the Cardinal headquarters. Leinart is, at best, even money to survive the season as the starter. Not that Derek Anderson(notes) is much better, but Leinart is considered way too soft.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

I think he is talking about starting QB's.

The fact that Vince Young is over Matt Ryan.

That alone tells you what a disaster this article turns into.

The best is that he has St. Louis ranked before us......and they don't even have a starter.

 

[HoodieBets]

I think he is talking about starting QB's.

The fact that Vince Young is over Matt Ryan.

That alone tells you what a disaster this article turns into.

The best is that he has St. Louis ranked before us......and they don't even have a starter.

Ill take bradford over leinart and matt ryan seems like he always has an injury and vince young is a proven winner he turned that team around last year and thats all you can ask for.

 

[kerouac9]

I'm not going to sweat that. I think that he's within +/- 5 or 6 places with that ranking. It's not easy to think of 10 teams whose quarterback situations are worse or as unclear as the Cards' are. And I'm saying that as a clear supporter of and believer in Matt Leinart.

The teams that I can say clearly are worse off than the Cards under center are Buffalo and Carolina. You can make an argument that Cleveland is in more dire straits, as well. But (and remember that I believe in Matt) places like Miami are going to enter training camp with much more confidence in their starting quarterback than the Cards probably are.

I'm surprised that he has the Broncos below us. Whoever starts for them is going to lack weapons on the outside, but I think that group can get the job done.

 

[Shane]

Another big nothing to be upset over. If you take Matt for what he has shown us already and that's really all you have to go on. Then that ranking isn't off base.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Ill take bradford over leinart and matt ryan seems like he always has an injury and vince young is a proven winner he turned that team around last year and thats all you can ask for.

I disagree with both.

Bradford has yet to throw a pass in the NFL, and was just hurt so I don't see how he is all of a sudden better than any of the QB's on the teams ranked under him.


Vince Young a proven winner ? Really ? I guess the whole fake injury, and total breakdown was just a phase he went through. And the fact that Ryan has more TD passes in two year than Young has in four means nothing.

 

[Unsterblich856]

Ill take bradford over leinart and matt ryan seems like he always has an injury and vince young is a proven winner he turned that team around last year and thats all you can ask for.

I'd have no problem betting everything I own that Matt Ryan will have a better pro career than Bradford.

 

[HoodieBets]

I disagree with both.

Bradford has yet to throw a pass in the NFL, and was just hurt so I don't see how he is all of a sudden better than any of the QB's on the teams ranked under him.


Vince Young a proven winner ? Really ? I guess the whole fake injury, and total breakdown was just a phase he went through. And the fact that Ryan has more TD passes in two year than Young has in four means nothing.

I have no confidence in Leinart and i think bradford has a better skill set, bradford has done nothing in the NFL and neither has leinart.

Vince Young=10-2 last two years win% of 83% career win pct of 72% with a record of 36-14 (not to mention a college national title)....Matt Ryan= 20-10 for the past two years which is also his carrer numbers for a win% of 66%

Say what you will about VY but he knows how to win and you cant refute the records, look at what he did with that team in Tenn last year it was beyond epic.

 

[HoodieBets]

I'd have no problem betting everything I own that Matt Ryan will have a better pro career than Bradford.

I never said bradford would be better than ryan you took two halves of two different arguments and put them together, please reread.

 

[Duckjake]

I disagree with both.

Bradford has yet to throw a pass in the NFL, and was just hurt so I don't see how he is all of a sudden better than any of the QB's on the teams ranked under him.


Vince Young a proven winner ? Really ? I guess the whole fake injury, and total breakdown was just a phase he went through. And the fact that Ryan has more TD passes in two year than Young has in four means nothing.

Bradford got hurt twice last season on routine hits. How does anyone expect him to finish a season getting hit by NFL players. He is imo a huge risk.

As for Young, what can you say about a guy who took over at QB for an 0-6 team and they win 8 of their next 10. He sure looked like a winner in the 4th quarter against the Cards last season.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Bradford got hurt twice last season on routine hits. How does anyone expect him to finish a season getting hit by NFL players. He is imo a huge risk.

As for Young, what can you say about a guy who took over at QB for an 0-6 team and they win 8 of their next 10. He sure looked like a winner in the 4th quarter against the Cards last season.

And yet Leinart is not as tough or as good a QB as Bradford, and doesn't deserve a shot at redemption ala Vince Young.

Leinart got beat out by Kurt Warner, not Kerry Collins, and didn't abandon his team when times got tough.

The double standards that are put upon Leinart are atrocious.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Alex Smith AND Kevin Kolb are above Leinart. That's hilarious to me.

 

[CardLogic]

Vince Young=10-2 last two years win% of 83% career win pct of 72% with a record of 36-14 (not to mention a college national title)....Matt Ryan= 20-10 for the past two years which is also his carrer numbers for a win% of 66%

Say what you will about VY but he knows how to win and you cant refute the records, look at what he did with that team in Tenn last year it was beyond epic.

As for Young, what can you say about a guy who took over at QB for an 0-6 team and they win 8 of their next 10. He sure looked like a winner in the 4th quarter against the Cards last season.

First, I'll tell you that I like Vince Young as a football player; I have no desire to denigrate him. But...

Let's not forget the Titans went 13-3 in 2008 with Kerry Collins at QB. Tennessee's turnaround last season could easily be attributed more to schedule than to Young.

In the 6-0 start Tennessee lost to PIT in the first game, HOU that had a pretty good season, and three AFC playoff teams; IND, NE, and NYJ. They also lost badly to JAC in Florida.

For the next 10 games, the only playoff team the Titans beat was the Cardinals, we all know the story behind that game; i.e. - Warner pulled from start at last minute. I agree in this game Young played very well.

Other than the Cardinals game, during that stretch Tennessee lost to both of the only other two playoff teams they faced (IND,and SD), and beat the likes of STL, SEA, SF, BUF, JAC, MIA, and HOU (by 3). Not exactly murder's row.

Regarding for Young's winning percentage vs. Ryan; Young is playing for a better overall team than Ryan. It stands to reason that his (the teams) winning percentage is better.

And regarding Bradford - this article is about QB rankings for this season right? Long term Bradford could have a better career than Leinart, no one can be sure of that though. But who believes that Bradford will win more games in 2010 than Leinart?

 

[DoTheDew]

Can't argue with any ranking that rates Matt low as a QB right now. We don't have anything to justify rating him high or low. Just speculation. Until he earns a higher ranking I have no problem if he's ranked low.

That said I think he will proven to be at least a middle of the pack starting QB this year.

 

[DoTheDew]

And regarding Bradford - this article is about QB rankings for this season right? Long term Bradford could have a better career than Leinart, no one can be sure of that though. But who believes that Bradford will win more games in 2010 than Leinart?

How many games are won by the QBs is not the same as how good they are. When Chicago went 13-3 with Rex Grossman did you think he was better than Tom Brady and Peyton Manning and Brett Farve? No.

Bradford hasn't proven anything but the records of Arizona and St. Louis next year alone won't answer which QB is better.

 

[kerouac9]

First, I'll tell you that I like Vince Young as a football player; I have no desire to denigrate him. But...

Let's not forget the Titans went 13-3 in 2008 with Kerry Collins at QB. Tennessee's turnaround last season could easily be attributed more to schedule than to Young.

In the 6-0 start Tennessee lost to PIT in the first game, HOU that had a pretty good season, and three AFC playoff teams; IND, NE, and NYJ. They also lost badly to JAC in Florida.

For the next 10 games, the only playoff team the Titans beat was the Cardinals, we all know the story behind that game; i.e. - Warner pulled from start at last minute. I agree in this game Young played very well.

Other than the Cardinals game, during that stretch Tennessee lost to both of the only other two playoff teams they faced (IND,and SD), and beat the likes of STL, SEA, SF, BUF, JAC, MIA, and HOU (by 3). Not exactly murder's row.

Dude, it wasn't just that Tennessee lost those games, it's that the Titans were non-competitive in those games, especially at the end. 59-0 in New England? That's embarrassing even from a Cardinals fan. New England wasn't that good this year. The Titans got taken to the woodshed by Indy (31-9), too, whom they usually play pretty close during the season (split the series the year before, although neither team was playing for anything in their week 17 matchup in 2008).

Tennessee won some tough games in that last stretch. They beat San Fran on the road--that's not an easy place to play.

No one is going to confuse Vinceanity with Petyon Manning, but the guy just wins football games. When Vince is playing, Titans fans know that they have a chance to keep it close and win in the end.

If you can't believe in Vince Young like that, then you're really going to have a problem with Matt Leinart. The Cards are going to try and win games the exact same way with #7 under center in 2010.

 

[Shane]

Alex Smith AND Kevin Kolb are above Leinart. That's hilarious to me.

Why? based on extensive playing time last year and his 80 QB rating and comp % of 60 and more TD's than int's you could easily argue him being better than Matt. Kolb I'll give you.

 

[CardLogic]

How many games are won by the QBs is not the same as how good they are. When Chicago went 13-3 with Rex Grossman did you think he was better than Tom Brady and Peyton Manning and Brett Farve? No.

Bradford hasn't proven anything but the records of Arizona and St. Louis next year alone won't answer which QB is better.

Let me clarify it for you then...

In 2010, Leinart will be a better QB than Bradford!

 

[CardLogic]

Dude, it wasn't just that Tennessee lost those games, it's that the Titans were non-competitive in those games, especially at the end. 59-0 in New England? That's embarrassing even from a Cardinals fan. New England wasn't that good this year. The Titans got taken to the woodshed by Indy (31-9), too, whom they usually play pretty close during the season (split the series the year before, although neither team was playing for anything in their week 17 matchup in 2008).

Exactly, and all that points to it being more than the issue of who was taking the snaps. Thanks for helping to make my point. 12-3 in 2008 with Collins under center...

 

[Duckjake]

First, I'll tell you that I like Vince Young as a football player; I have no desire to denigrate him. But...

Let's not forget the Titans went 13-3 in 2008 with Kerry Collins at QB. Tennessee's turnaround last season could easily be attributed more to schedule than to Young.

In the 6-0 start Tennessee lost to PIT in the first game, HOU that had a pretty good season, and three AFC playoff teams; IND, NE, and NYJ. They also lost badly to JAC in Florida.

For the next 10 games, the only playoff team the Titans beat was the Cardinals, we all know the story behind that game; i.e. - Warner pulled from start at last minute. I agree in this game Young played very well.

Other than the Cardinals game, during that stretch Tennessee lost to both of the only other two playoff teams they faced (IND,and SD), and beat the likes of STL, SEA, SF, BUF, JAC, MIA, and HOU (by 3). Not exactly murder's row.

Regarding for Young's winning percentage vs. Ryan; Young is playing for a better overall team than Ryan. It stands to reason that his (the teams) winning percentage is better.

And regarding Bradford - this article is about QB rankings for this season right? Long term Bradford could have a better career than Leinart, no one can be sure of that though. But who believes that Bradford will win more games in 2010 than Leinart?

Your Card Logic is fuzzy.

 

[CardLogic]

Your Card Logic is fuzzy.

My post (quoted) isn't related to anything Cardinal, so that must be the issue...

I don't doubt that Young was a factor, but there was alot more going on that facilitated the Titans turnaround last season than just a change in QB! That is the point.

 

[Duckjake]

My post (quoted) isn't related to anything Cardinal, so that must be the issue...

I don't doubt that Young was a factor, but there was alot more going on that facilitated the Titans turnaround last season than just a change in QB! That is the point.

Like what?

You can't really find any major difference in the Titans offensive or defensive stats for last year other than the fact that they were 0-6 with Collins and 8-2 with Young.

 

[CardLogic]

Like what?

You can't really find any major difference in the Titans offensive or defensive stats for last year other than the fact that they were 0-6 with Collins and 8-2 with Young.

Well, I was already criticized for mentioning their schedule; but look at it. They didn't beat a single playoff team with the execption of the Cardinals.

Beyond that I don't follow the Titans, so I don't have an inkling of what may have been going on internally with the club. But I am certain there was an undercurrent of some nature. 12-3 in 2008, with Collins; then 0-6 to start 2009.

Then they turn it around to finish 8-2 for the remainder of the season. In other words the team returned to a level of play similar to the previous season. I am not discounting that part of the improvement was due to changing QB's.

But I contend that was not the only factor. I believe that schedule was another factor. And there were very likely other factors of which we are unaware.

Is there someone on the board that follows the Titans closely; and cares to offer an opinion?

 

[john h]

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I do not know anything about the guy doing the ratings but he echos the worries of many of us. Matt to me is doubtful as a long term QB. This could very well be his last season. He is due something like 11 mil next year I think. When we first drafted him I thought we made a steal but over time I have changed my mind. His chances of making it are 50/50 at best in my thoughts. I am a 50 year ++ Cards fan and look at things as they are and not what I want them to be. This will be a long season if Matt is soft as the poster notes. I fear next season we will once again be on the hunt for a QB. We had a great run with Kurt. In fact the greatest run in my years of watching the Cards which began in 1945. We are not likely to see the likes of Kurt Warner around the Cards camp for many years. Two Division titles and we actually went to the Super Bowl and nearly won. How is Mat going to come anywhere close to equaling that? We have been spoiled people and some may not realize we were in our golden years as Cards fans. We face reality come September.

 

[BW52]

I do not know anything about the guy doing the ratings but he echos the worries of many of us. Matt to me is doubtful as a long term QB. This could very well be his last season. He is due something like 11 mil next year I think. When we first drafted him I thought we made a steal but over time I have changed my mind. His chances of making it are 50/50 at best in my thoughts. I am a 50 year ++ Cards fan and look at things as they are and not what I want them to be. This will be a long season if Matt is soft as the poster notes. I fear next season we will once again be on the hunt for a QB. We had a great run with Kurt. In fact the greatest run in my years of watching the Cards which began in 1945. We are not likely to see the likes of Kurt Warner around the Cards camp for many years. Two Division titles and we actually went to the Super Bowl and nearly won. How is Mat going to come anywhere close to equaling that? We have been spoiled people and some may not realize we were in our golden years as Cards fans. We face reality come September.

All ZLeinart has to do is be average and not make turnovers and hope the defense remembers what they are on the field for.Leinart has a 7 and 10 record as a starter and in 2 of those losses the defense went bellyup and played like wussies to lose the games.Leinart just needs to be solid IMO.With a bigger reliance on the running game and a good defense Cards should be okay.