Yeah, Kliff is a problem.

[kerouac9]

I have my doubts if the Cards can win without Kyler… in December.

They haven’t won with him in December so…?

 

[AZ Native]

But isn’t that a matter of coaching? In my book it sure as hell is…
If Kliffy can’t figure out how to win with Kyler, especially in crunch time - that’s on Kliffy and nobody else.

Kliff didn't misread and ignore open receivers. Kyler did. KK put him in position, K1 blew it. No one on this site wants to blame the players for any of this. Crazy. There is plenty of blame to go around.

 

[Warner4Prez]

He didn't play so he didn't play well or poorly. Other teams can win games when their QB doesn't play well, we don't. I think much of that is because Kyler and Kliff take so many chances instead of the easy plays.

And John Harbaugh is an idiot why go for 2 and not take it into OT?

Dude whatever you are smoking send some my way... it could be straw because you just created a strawman argument to justify Kyler playing like doo doo.

 

[Russ Smith]

But isn’t that a matter of coaching? In my book it sure as hell is…
If Kliffy can’t figure out how to win with Kyler, especially in crunch time - that’s on Kliffy and nobody else.

I don't know. I don't know if it's Kliff or Kyler that chooses to take the high risk on 3rd and 4th down plays. I mean the one where Wesley couldn't get the 2nd foot inbounds that's a potentially huge play but it's also a very high risk play on 4th and 6. He hit a similar one to D Hop against the Bears but it's a high risk play.

When Kyler doesn't play we don't go for it on 4th as often. Counting today Kyler is 7-12 throwing on 4th down this year(7-10 before today), I may have missed another one today come to think of it.

McCoy hasn't thrown a single pass on 4th down. I don't know if that's because we were ahead in 2 of the 3 games or if Kliff has more confidence in Kyler, I just know we are a much higher risk offense with Kyler than we were in those 3 games with Colt.

 

[Russ Smith]

That’s a weird point. Most teams lose when their quarterbacks play poorly.

I think you’re saying that Kyler doesn’t have a lot of games where his passer rating is, like, 86. I agree he’s a pretty high-variance quarterback because he tries to make plays out of structure when the home run isn’t there.

There was one play today when Ertz was completely uncovered off the line. He was clapping for the ball and Murray ignored him, ran around, and completed a pass to AJ Green or someone for 20 yards. Kyler has to learn how to take the layup or he’s going to be a coach killer.

I didn't say poorly I said doesn't play really well. Yes I mean variance when we win Kyler almost always has a really good game, very few games can he do what we did against the Bears run the ball and let the defense win the game.

During the 49ers game today the announcer said is there a QB in the NFL that has to make less difficult throws than Jimmy G. that's because of their run game and their play action. We just don't get that I think the inability to play under C is a major thing he needs to work on.

And yes that's what I mean about he takes the big risk instead of the easy play

 

[Russ Smith]

Dude whatever you are smoking send some my way... it could be straw because you just created a strawman argument to justify Kyler playing like doo doo.

actually I didn't I said that Kyler takes too many risks instead of taking the easy plays, and when Kyler is the Qb Kliff takes too many risks, 4th down etc because he apparently has more confidence.

Kyler played terribly today said it over and over in both the game thread and here. Part of that is because he doesn't take the easy stuff.

I don't smoke.

 

[AustrianCardFan]

What I don't really get is why so many people here seem to appreciate wins at the beginning of the season less than later ones? I mean I get the whole "getting hot for the playoffs" sentiment but how many people thought before the season that we would even get 10 wins? Would people here rather have lost for example against the Browns or Titans for a win today?

A win is a win and if someone told you we would have 10 wins after 14 games, how many wouldn't have taken that? Yes we looked horrible tonight but which good team hasn't during the season? I am not gonna loose hope because of one horrible game, especially as it seems highly unlikely that we miss the playoffs.

 

[Arz101]

Kliff run game is absolutely bonkers good. Passing game has no rhythm even when they are winning. I don't know what to make of this.

 

[SoCal Cardfan]

You do if he fails to win the playoffs after starting 10-2.

We would, Mikey B?

Probably not.

 

[kerouac9]

What I don't really get is why so many people here seem to appreciate wins at the beginning of the season less than later ones? I mean I get the whole "getting hot for the playoffs" sentiment but how many people thought before the season that we would even get 10 wins? Would people here rather have lost for example against the Browns or Titans for a win today?

A win is a win and if someone told you we would have 10 wins after 14 games, how many wouldn't have taken that? Yes we looked horrible tonight but which good team hasn't during the season? I am not gonna loose hope because of one horrible game, especially as it seems highly unlikely that we miss the playoffs.

I guess at some point someone has to get tired of saying this. Many people were saying this after the Carolina game. And they said it just last week against the Rams.

We just lost to a team who was 1-11-1 coming into the game. Criticism is warranted if you didn’t believe we were a deeply flawed and fraudulent team.

The above is loser talk that fans who are satisfied with losing make.

 

[SoCal Cardfan]

What I don't really get is why so many people here seem to appreciate wins at the beginning of the season less than later ones? I mean I get the whole "getting hot for the playoffs" sentiment but how many people thought before the season that we would even get 10 wins? Would people here rather have lost for example against the Browns or Titans for a win today?

A win is a win and if someone told you we would have 10 wins after 14 games, how many wouldn't have taken that? Yes we looked horrible tonight but which good team hasn't during the season? I am not gonna loose hope because of one horrible game, especially as it seems highly unlikely that we miss the playoffs.

My blood pressure would have been WAY lower if we lost to the Browns or Titans, instead of the gutter Lions.

So... Me

 

[Arz101]

I don't know if both are gone. But one of Keim/Kliff is gone if they finish 0-5 and lose in wide card round

 

[Cheesebeef]

I don't know if both are gone. But one of Keim/Kliff is gone if they finish 0-5 and lose in wide card round

One can’t go without the other. You’re looking at Matt Millen if you keep letting Keim blow first round picks, continually take players at the same non impact position in the first round and hire bad coaches.

 

[AustrianCardFan]

I guess at some point someone has to get tired of saying this. Many people were saying this after the Carolina game. And they said it just last week against the Rams.

We just lost to a team who was 1-11-1 coming into the game. Criticism is warranted if you didn’t believe we were a deeply flawed and fraudulent team.

The above is loser talk that fans who are satisfied with losing make.

I didn't say at all that criticism isn't warranted. I just wonder which team isn't fraudulent then? The Cowboys that got beaten horribly by terrible Broncos? Tampa Bay that lost against the WFT a couple of weeks ago and is right now struggling mightely against the Saints? Maybe Green Bay, but that is about it...

 

[kerouac9]

I didn't say at all that criticism isn't warranted. I just wonder which team isn't fraudulent then? The Cowboys that got beaten horribly by terrible Broncos? Tampa Bay that lost against the WFT a couple of weeks ago and is right now struggling mightely against the Saints? Maybe Green Bay, but that is about it...

There’s a whole thread about this.

 

[Arz101]

One can’t go without the other. You’re looking at Matt Millen if you keep letting Keim blow first round picks, continually take players at the same non impact position in the first round and hire bad coaches.

Keim is the winningest GM Bidwill had. Keim is a made man whether we like it or not. Kliff is likely to go if it comes to that. 4 winning seasons, 2 8-8 seasons and 3 losing seasons. I don't like Keim but Bidwill is not going to lose some like that.

 

[AustrianCardFan]

There’s a whole thread about this.

Ok, sorry that I missed that!

 

[slanidrac16]

100%. Defenses NEVER jump offsides because they just wait for Murray to clap and they know they can read the play easier with him in the shotgun.

He needs to be under center at least 30 % of the time whether he likes it or not.

 

[dscher]

The above is loser talk that fans who are satisfied with losing make

Not really. It's what any normal sane person can interpret as the ups and downs of any given season. Even though we looked like dog crap today and didn't deserve a win one bit, a fan of football can admit that this lions team has had their moments this year...and are humans that get paid and have pride just like the team across them.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

It’s not on Kliff that Kyler is a front-runner who plays great when the game script is working.

The Cards can win without Kyler in a pretty productive way. It’s not on the offensive scheme.

You keep trotting out the 2-1 with colt at the wheel. What do you think our record would be if he was our fulltime starter this season?

 

[kerouac9]

You keep trotting out the 2-1 with colt at the wheel. What do you think our record would be if he was our fulltime starter this season?

6-11. Maybe 5-12. There’s a very good reason he’s a backup in the NFL.

But put in a league-average starter like Ryan Tannehill or Kirk Cousins? I think this offense would have much more rhythm and people would find different things to complain about with Kliff.

Kyler as a pro has shown an awesome talent for bailing himself out of bad situations he largely created.

 

[Cheesebeef]

6-11. Maybe 5-12. There’s a very good reason he’s a backup in the NFL.

But put in a league-average starter like Ryan Tannehill or Kirk Cousins? I think this offense would have much more rhythm and people would find different things to complain about with Kliff.

Kyler as a pro has shown an awesome talent for bailing himself out of bad situations he largely created.

Tannehill kinda sucks. Cousins might do well in this offense, but he’d be a big mistake killer the same as Kyler.

I mean, he’s got a ton of talent in Minnesota and that team consistently finds ways to lose at the end of games that he can’t finish.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

What I don't really get is why so many people here seem to appreciate wins at the beginning of the season less than later ones? I mean I get the whole "getting hot for the playoffs" sentiment but how many people thought before the season that we would even get 10 wins? Would people here rather have lost for example against the Browns or Titans for a win today?

A win is a win and if someone told you we would have 10 wins after 14 games, how many wouldn't have taken that? Yes we looked horrible tonight but which good team hasn't during the season? I am not gonna loose hope because of one horrible game, especially as it seems highly unlikely that we miss the playoffs.

What I don’t get is people not recognizing trends. We are getting worse. People complaining about that? Shocking. What? It’s a three pattern? People complaining about that? Shocking.

As Britcard stated, starting hot is great, but it’s not how you start in sports it’s how you finish. We aren’t finishing very well. Again.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

6-11. Maybe 5-12. There’s a very good reason he’s a backup in the NFL.

But put in a league-average starter like Ryan Tannehill or Kirk Cousins? I think this offense would have much more rhythm and people would find different things to complain about with Kliff.

Kyler as a pro has shown an awesome talent for bailing himself out of bad situations he largely created.

What do you think we would be with cousins?

 

[kerouac9]

What do you think we would be with cousins?

12-5?