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As a society we've de-valued food. What we pay for and eat now is a result of this devaluation: it's mostly chemicals and it's eaten on the run as opposed to communally. No wonder people don't want to pay more.

Used to be that people paid a much higher percentage of their wages to go to food than we do now. But then, it used to be that food was good for you and meals were a way families and friends stayed together.

I agree with this statement. When I think of how much processed food is in my cubbard, I am disappointed.

I only buy organic milk and I can usually get it on sale for $4 a gallon. I also only buy organic, cage free eggs. I like the taste better and I know they are better for me. I try to buy organic fruits and veggies when I can. I really miss the days when I had my own home and could do lots of vegetable gardening.

I think I'm going to check out that book you guys have been talking about.
 

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This is all BS. I'm going to continue to eat the cheap stuff with all of the additives. And you know why?

Because I want them to be able to dig up my body 20 years after I die and I'll still almost look the same thanks to all of the perservatives I've eaten over my life. Cheaper food means a better corpse. ;)
 

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My anti-HFCS crusade started after reading his previous book, The Omnivores Dilemna. Blows my freaking mind how muh of our food is littered with the stuff. Mayonnaise! MAYONNAISE for the love of god! I buy stuff with pressed cane juice in it, mostly, but again, it costs more. HFCS took over because its a cheap by product. Hell, before it, Coca Cola, sodas pop in general was a luxury item in this country...

But I agree, Pariah, everyone should read his books.
I hear you about HFCS. I was diagnosed with too much fat in my liver, and the first thing the doctor said was avoid HFCS (along with more exercise, better diet in general, etc). I read a little about it - it seems that the most damaging kind is in sodas, but a lot of breads have it as well.
 

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Organic fruits and veggies may taste the same, but they are better for you without all the pesticides and stuff they grow them with. I once saw a show where they irrigate the crops with recycled waste water - ugh! The thought! I always buy organic when you can eat the skin, ie, berries, apples, grapes, etc. Not bananas, tho.

And yes, free-range chicken is sooo much better tasting than the stuff you buy at the mega-mart.
 

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This is all BS. I'm going to continue to eat the cheap stuff with all of the additives. And you know why?
Because I want them to be able to dig up my body 20 years after I die and I'll still almost look the same thanks to all of the perservatives I've eaten over my life. Cheaper food means a better corpse. ;)

LoL, Heu really crazy!
 

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Forget about the pesticides. Think about all of the mucking farmers these days do with the soil. That mucks with your food--veggies and meat (because livestock eats the mucked with grass). Organic veggies are grown in organic soil. IMO, that seems more important than the lack of pesticides.
 

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eh, some of us don't have enhanced palates like you do, schutd. It still tastes good to me. Yes, the cost is a big issue regarding taste for me. Sure, it tastes good, but not worth the cost (to me). Corn is corn ;)

BS, you still haven't tried the TJ cut sweet white corn.
 

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I think the results of that blind taste test might surprise you, Schutd. People (myself included) get used to the way things taste (which becomes the way things are "supposed to taste" even if that's not the case). So, just because there IS a difference in taste, that doesn't mean it will be perceived as a better taste.

Shane, you should read "In Defense of Food." It explains why it's better for you. The reasons are too many for me to post here. But, trust me: A) it's true, and B) that book is a very good read.

Because of it, I'm trying like hell to avoid anything with High Fructose Corn Syrup in it. It's not easy to do. A LOT of stuff has it, and A LOT of stuff with it tastes F'n good.

Not on the milk. I defy you to find someone who doesn't drink the organic stuff and go "damn, that's good milk." Other things, yeah.

I have the book on my ipod but haven't started it.
 

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Not on the milk. I defy you to find someone who doesn't drink the organic stuff and go "damn, that's good milk." Other things, yeah.

I have the book on my ipod but haven't started it.

me me me!!!!!!
 

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I'm with Schutd on this pretty much. I used to garden extensively, and grew a lot of my own seasonal stuff, but it's gotten harder for me to find the time in recent years. Got really spoiled.

I won't even touch non-organic milk or cream or butter or yoghurt, seriously. Chicken, pork, and some cuts of beef the taste and texture are decidedly better, but pork is the only one I just won't eat non-organic. Free range organic eggs, too. Celery -- it's actually sweet, not plasticky! Carrots! Tomatoes, Lettuce, definitely. Straaaaaawwwwberries -- actually, most fruit is much sweeter. Rice is incredibly better organic.

Mind you, that's after wolfing down a KFC crispy twister wrap with a couple hot sauces for lunch. Mmmmmm.
 

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Forget about the pesticides. Think about all of the mucking farmers these days do with the soil. That mucks with your food--veggies and meat (because livestock eats the mucked with grass). Organic veggies are grown in organic soil. IMO, that seems more important than the lack of pesticides.
Says who?

I don't think there is any regulation on this, is there? My wife is a big "organic everything" person and I always ask her that question. Producers and distributors know there is more money in "organic", but who is providing the oversight that says it is organic? Not shooting arrows, truly asking.
 

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Says who?
Says the Department of Agriculture.

A side note on organic: just because it's organic doesn't mean it's good for you. It's probably better for you than a refined and artificially manufactured food of the same type, but sugar, carbs and fat are all found in nature. To be truly a truly healthy eater, take everything in moderation, even if it's organic. (JMHO...but not my practice. :) )
 

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Okay. I didn't know that things labelled "organic" needed to be certified as such by the USDA. If so, I guess a can stop giving my wife a hard time - about that, at least. :)
 

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Even if I could. I don't know that I would. My ex's medical condition forces her to shop at Spouts and AJ's etc. She spends $400 a month on food, for herself.

Celiac Disease? That's one of the priciest diets on earth!
 

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I have no problem spending the money on food. I drop almost 200 a week on groceries for my family (3 of us, and the little one dont each much, yet! but fwiw, the milk is 7 bucks a gallon!). Its the most important thing you can budget for after paying your rent/mortgage and bills. Theres nothing more important than eating food that I know is high quality. What bugs me is how expensive it is to do that. If everyone else joined in, and eating based on provenance (my term for it, and I mean knowing where your food comes from and demanding that those who manufacture it do so with respect for the land, the animals, and the consumer) became the standard, rather than viewed as some cultish hippy thing, the cost would invariably come down. But its just not going to happen until more people start demanding better quality food.

Im curious, if you could, why in god's name wouldnt you? I guess I just cant understand the mentality of settling for garbage on principle. What kind of principles are those???

BTW, youu could drop dairy products from your diet and save a bucketload of money. Humans shouldn't be doing dairy. It is a killer.
 

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Now that, I simply don't believe.

Then you might be wrong.

Dairy Products
Early people did not eat dairy products before animals were domesticated. It has been pointed out that there has been adaptation to dairy products in some genetic lines, but no author of this type of diet endorses eating dairy including milk, butter, cream, yogurt, ice cream, cheese, etc.

This article is about a modern dietary regimen. For information on the dietary practices of Paleolithic humans, see Paleolithic#Diet and Nutrition.
Paleolithic-style dish: A traditional seafood stew (Bouillabaisse served without bread).


The Paleolithic diet (or Paleolithic nutrition), also popularly known as the paleo diet (var.: paleodiet), caveman diet, Stone Age diet and hunter-gatherer diet, is a dietary regimen which emulates the diet of wild plants and animals that humans habitually consumed during the Paleolithic, a period of about 2.5 million years duration that ended around 10,000 years ago with the development of agriculture.[1] Based upon commonly available modern foods, the Paleolithic diet consists mainly of lean meat, fish, vegetables, fruit, roots and nuts, and excludes grains, legumes, dairy products, salt, refined sugar and processed oils.[1][2][3]

First popularized in the mid 1970s by a gastroenterologist named Walter L. Voegtlin,[4] this nutritional concept has been expounded and adapted by a number of authors and researchers in several books[5][6][7] and academic journals.[8] Building upon the principles of evolutionary medicine,[9] it is based on the premise that modern humans are genetically adapted to the diet of their Paleolithic ancestors and that human genetics have scarcely changed since the dawn of agriculture, and therefore that an ideal diet for human health and well-being is one that resembles this ancestral diet.[3][10]

This dietary approach is a controversial topic amongst nutritionists[11][12] and anthropologists.[13][14] Advocates argue that modern human populations subsisting on traditional diets similar to those of Paleolithic hunter-gatherers are largely free of diseases of affluence,[15][16] and that such diets produce beneficial health outcomes in controlled medical studies.[17] Supporters point to several potentially therapeutic nutritional characteristics of preagricultural diets.[10] Critics of this nutritional approach have taken issue with its underlying evolutionary logic,[18][19] and have disputed certain dietary prescriptions on the grounds that they pose health risks[18][20] and may not reflect real Paleolithic diets.[19][21] It has also been argued that such diets are not a realistic alternative for everyone,[22] and that meat-based diets are not environmentally sustainable.[23]

Some foods, such as grains and milk products, are much more sensitizing. It is common for chronic fatigue, multiple allergies, chemical sensitivities, arthritis, and many other non-specific symptoms to be related, at least partially, to diet. These instructions will allow you to substitute highly nutritious meals consisting of foods you rarely eat.

The Paleolithic Period of human development, characterized by the use of chipped, stone tools, began about 2.5 million years ago. Whenever possible, Paleolithic peoples consumed large amounts of animal meat and offal, deriving 45-65% of their energy from animals. Among those aboriginal, hunter-gatherer societies in Australia, Africa, and South America that survived into the twentieth century, the rates of cancer, rheumatoid arthritis , obesity, diabetes, osteoporosis, heart disease , and other conditions were remarkably low until they switched to modern diets. In most other cultures, this switch to modern diets happened about 10,000 years ago, when it was discovered that many inedible plants could be rendered suitable for human consumption by cooking. This resulted in the introduction of grains, beans, and potatoes as foods, and later followed by sugar, milk, and milk products.
 

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I agree. If women produce milk, then what's wrong with consuming milk? (all kidding/lame boobie jokes aside).

No other animal in the system ingests milk ( mothers milk after infancy ). Mother's milk is the only ingestible form of nutrition in a simple society for the nurturing infant. BTW. how long after birth do mother's produce milk once the child is weaned?
 

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