Yesterday, I paid 6 bucks for...

[Southpaw]

Yucko.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bovine_somatotropin

Ummm.... cancer inducing?

 

[Linderbee]

No other animal in the system ingests milk ( mothers milk after infancy ). Mother's milk is the only ingestible form of nutrition in a simple society for the nurturing infant. BTW. how long after birth do mother's produce milk once the child is weaned?

Good point...still think it isn't bad for you.

 

[Southpaw]

Good point...still think it isn't bad for you.

Just a warning. What benefit does milk provide for you and yours? Want the list of bad things?

 

[Pariah]

Here's 10 pros and cons. Doesn't seem to me that the issue is sewed-up either way. In the meantime, I'm pretty healthy and drank a bunch of milk growing up.

http://www.milkprocon.org/topten.htm

 

[Southpaw]

Is it worth the risk?

Dairy Products Will - Literally - Kill You!
- Roger Mason

This column has explained for a long time that milk and dairy products are the number one allergenic food in the world. All adults of all races are allergic to milk and dairy because of the LACTOSE (milk sugar) content. Children lose the ability to produce the enzyme lactase at about the age of three years old. Only humans drink milk after weaning and we choose cow milk which is meant for calves and not people. Lactose does not just pass harmlessly thru the body undigested but causes a lot of problems- including CANCER. That's right; people who drink milk and eat dairy products get more cancer of most kinds especially prostate and breast cancer.

A study was done for 11 years running of over 20,000 doctors appropriately called the Physician's Health Study. An article appeared in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition (volume 74, page 549) specifically on prostate cancer and dairy consumption.

The authors concluded, "These results support the hypothesis that dairy products... are associated with a greater risk of prostate cancer." This applies equally to breast cancer, as prostate and breast cancer are almost the exact same diseases with the same causes and the same natural cures basically. At the end they said, "In conclusion, this report supports and extends previous observations that high intakes of dairy products...are associated with an increased risk of prostate cancer." The doctors who ate little or no dairy had much less cancer than the ones who ate dairy regularly and the ones who ate lots of dairy had the highest of all rates by far.

How do you give up milk and dairy products? Very simply. The major chain groceries now all carry a variety of non-dairy milks including soy, rice, almond and oat milks. Keep trying these until you find one you like. Soon you will prefer non-dairy milk very much and will actually find cow milk somewhat distasteful. Use this for cooking, on cold cereal and the usual ways you use dairy milk. There are a variety of soy and other cheeses that really melt and taste like dairy cheese in at least eight different flavors such as American, Jack, Cheddar, Mozzarella, Parmesan, Feta, etc. You can find soy sour cream and other such substitutes. Unfortunately soy yogurt is expensive, full of sugar and doesn't taste as good as dairy yogurt sorry to say.

Since prostate cancer (and all this applies to breast cancer as well) is such an epidemic in America there was another article in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition (volume 75, page 689). This was based on the Health Professionals Follow-up Study for over 33,000 men. This studied diet as a whole and some very interesting things were found. First of all men who ate the most calories got the most cancer. Men who ate the least calories got the least cancer. In this column we have told you the fewer CALORIES you eat the longer you'll live. You can eat as much as you want if you'll just eat whole natural foods including whole grains, lots of green and yellow vegetables, beans, salads, fruit and even some seafood in moderation. You don't have to eat less food at all; just make better food choices and eat less calorie dense foods.

The men who ate the most protein got the most cancer. The men who ate the least protein got the least cancer. Protein as we all know is found more in animal foods such as red meat, poultry, eggs, and dairy products. Whole grains and beans have all the protein you need without the fat. There is more proof the promoters of high protein diets are all nuts. We eat twice the protein we need.

Don't eat dairy, eat less food and eat less protein and fat to live longer and better.

 

[Linderbee]

Just a warning. What benefit does milk provide for you and yours? Want the list of bad things?

Calcium. Osteoporosis.

But thank you for the info on cancer; very good stuff to know.

 

[Southpaw]

Calcium. Osteoporosis.

...and milk is one of the poorest choices of sources for Calcium and Vitamin D.

High risk reward ratio.

Have at it. Some day if I see an adult bear or lion chugging down a mug o' milk, I might rethink the process. but then I don't think they would be familiar with BST and BSE.

Should you get calcium from milk?

When most people in the United States think of calcium, they immediately think of milk. But should this be so? Milk is actually only one of many sources of calcium, and there are some important reasons why milk may not be the best source for everyone. These include:

* Lactose intolerance
Many people have some degree of lactose intolerance. For them, eating or drinking dairy products causes problems like cramping, bloating, gas, and diarrhea. These symptoms can range from mild to severe. Certain groups are much more likely to have lactose intolerance. For example, 90 percent of Asians, 70 percent of blacks and Native Americans, and 50 percent of Hispanics are lactose-intolerant, compared to only about 15 percent of people of Northern European descent.

One alternative for those who are lactose intolerant but who still enjoy consuming dairy products is to take a pill containing enzymes that digest milk sugar along with the dairy product, or to consume milk that has the lactase enzyme added to it.
* High saturated fat content
Many dairy products are high in saturated fats, and a high saturated fat intake is a risk factor for heart disease. And while it's true that most dairy products are now available in fat-reduced or nonfat options, the saturated fat that's removed from dairy products is inevitably consumed by someone, often in the form of premium ice cream, butter, or baked goods.

Strangely, it's often the same people who purchase these higher-fat products who also purchase the low-fat dairy products, so it's not clear that they're making great strides in cutting back on their saturated fat consumption. For more information on dietary fats, click here.
* Possible increased risk of ovarian cancer
High levels of galactose, a sugar released by the digestion of lactose in milk, have been studied as possibly damaging to the ovaries and leading to ovarian cancer. Although such associations have not been reported in all studies, there may be potential harm in consuming high amounts of dairy products.(9, 10)

* Possible increased risk of prostate cancer
A diet high in calcium has been implicated as a potential risk factor for prostate cancer. In a Harvard study of male health professionals, men who drank two or more glasses of milk a day were almost twice as likely to develop advanced prostate cancer as those who didn't drink milk at all.(11) Moreover, the association appears to be with calcium itself, rather than with dairy products in general.
Clearly, although more research is needed, we cannot be confident that high milk intake is safe.

The bottom line-recommendations for calcium intake and bone health

Adequate, lifelong dietary calcium intake is necessary to reduce the risk of osteoporosis. Consuming adequate calcium and vitamin D and performing regular, weight-bearing exercise are also important to build maximum bone density and strength. After age 30, these factors help slow bone loss, although they cannot completely prevent bone loss due to aging.

Milk and dairy products are a convenient source of calcium for many people. They are also a good source of protein and are fortified with vitamins D and A. At this time, however, the optimal intake of calcium as well as the optimal sources of calcium, are not clear. As noted earlier, the National Academy of Sciences currently recommends that people ages 19-50 consume 1,000 mg of calcium per day, and that those age 50 or over get 1,200 mg per day. Reaching 1200 mg per day would usually require drinking two to three glasses of milk per day over and above an overall healthy diet.

However, these recommendations are based on very short-term studies, and are likely to be higher than what people really need. Currently, there's no good evidence that consuming more than one serving of milk per day in addition to a reasonable diet (which typically provides about 300 milligrams of calcium per day from nondairy sources) will reduce fracture risk. Because of unresolved concerns about the risk of ovarian and prostate cancer, it may be prudent to avoid higher intakes of dairy products.

At moderate levels, though, consumption of calcium and dairy products has benefits beyond bone health, including possibly lowering the risk of high blood pressure and colon cancer.(12-14) While the blood pressure benefits appear fairly small, the protection against colon cancer seems somewhat larger, and most of the latter benefit comes from having just one glass of milk per day. Getting more than this doesn't seem to lower risk any further.

For individuals who are unable to digest - or who dislike - dairy products and for those who simply prefer not to consume large amounts of such foods, other options are available. Calcium can also be found in dark green leafy vegetables, such as kale and collard greens, and in dried beans and legumes.

Calcium is also found in spinach and chard, but these vegetables contain oxalic acid, which combines with the calcium to form calcium oxalate, a chemical salt that makes the calcium less available to the body. A variety of calcium-fortified foods, such as orange juice, are now on the market.

Calcium (and vitamin D) can also be ingested as a supplement. Antacids contain calcium as well. However, men may want to avoid calcium supplements for men because of questions about possible risks of prostate cancer.

An extensive list of the calcium content of foods is available online from the U.S. Department of Agriculture. These foods are good sources of calcium:
Food Amount Calcium
Yogurt, plain, low fat 8 oz
415
Collards, frozen, boiled 1 cup
357
Skim milk 1 cup
306
Spinach, frozen, boiled 1 cup
291
Yogurt, plain, whole milk 8 oz
275
Cheese food, pasteurized American 1 oz
162
Cottage cheese, 1% milk fat 1 cup
138
Baked beans, canned 1 cup
154
Iceberg lettuce 1 head
97
Canned salmon 3 oz
181
Oranges 1 cup
72
Trail mix (nuts, seeds, chocolate chips) 1 cup
159
Almonds 1 oz (24 nuts)
70
Blackeye peas, boiled 1 cup
211
Green peas, boiled 1 cup
94





References

1. Osteoporosis facts. National Osteoporosis Foundation.
2. Owusu W, Willett WC, Feskanich D, Ascherio A, Spiegelman D, Colditz GA. Calcium intake and the incidence of forearm and hip fractures among men. J Nutr 1997; 127:1782-7.
3. Feskanich D, Willett WC, Stampfer MJ, Colditz GA. Milk, dietary calcium, and bone fractures in women: a 12-year prospective study. Am J Public Health 1997; 87:992-7.
4. Papadimitropoulos E, Wells G, Shea B, et al. Meta-analyses of therapies for postmenopausal osteoporosis. VIII: Meta-analysis of the efficacy of vitamin D treatment in preventing osteoporosis in postmenopausal women. Endocr Rev 2002; 23:560-9.
5. Bischoff-Ferrari HA, Dawson-Hughes B, Willett WC, et al. Effect of Vitamin D on falls: a meta-analysis. JAMA 2004; 291:1999-2006.
6. Weber P. Vitamin K and bone health. Nutrition 2001; 17:880-7.
7. Booth SL, Broe KE, Gagnon DR, et al. Vitamin K intake and bone mineral density in women and men. Am J Clin Nutr 2003; 77:512-6.
8. Manson JE, Hsia J, Johnson KC, et al. Estrogen plus progestin and the risk of coronary heart disease. N Engl J Med 2003; 349:523-34.
9. Cramer DW. Lactase persistence and milk consumption as determinants of ovarian cancer risk. Am J Epidemiol 1989; 130:904-10.
10. Cramer DW, Harlow BL, Willett WC, et al. Galactose consumption and metabolism in relation to the risk of ovarian cancer. Lancet 1989; 2:66-71.
11. Giovannucci E, Rimm EB, Wolk A, et al. Calcium and fructose intake in relation to risk of prostate cancer. Cancer Res 1998; 58:442-447.
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The aim of the Harvard School of Public Health Nutrition Source is to provide timely information on diet and nutrition for clinicians, allied health professionals, and the public. The contents of this Web site are not intended to offer personal medical advice. You should seek the advice of your physician or other qualified health provider with any questions you may have regarding a medical condition. Never disregard professional medical advice or delay in seeking it because of something you have read on this website. The information does not mention brand names, nor does it endorse any particular products.

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[Mulli]

I agree with Wally. Milk is overrated.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Celiac Disease? That's one of the priciest diets on earth!

Yep. Throw in lactose intolerant that she was just diagnosed with as well. She has to have about half of her intestine removed soon as well.

She is falling apart.

 

[Southpaw]

Yep. Throw in lactose intolerant that she was just diagnosed with as well. She has to have about half of her intestine removed soon as well.

She is falling apart.

Just curious, why is she having half her intestine removed? If this is too sensitive please disregard the question.

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/celiac-disease/DS00319/DSECTION=8

 

[Pariah]

If one incorporates dairy as part of an overall healthy diet of food, I seriously doubt it'll cause any complications. When someone looks to dairy as one of the only sources of nutrition (among a diet of largely processed foods), then I'm sure there will be problems.

Dairy is not the devil.

 

[Southpaw]

If one incorporates dairy as part of an overall healthy diet of food, I seriously doubt it'll cause any complications. When someone looks to dairy as one of the only sources of nutrition (among a diet of largely processed foods), then I'm sure there will be problems.

Dairy is not the devil.

Agree to totally disagree. Gluten and dairy kill. We all make our own choices.

 

[Pariah]

Agree to totally disagree. Gluten and dairy kill. We all make our own choices.

I'm going to out-live you, wally, and then I'm going to toast that fact with a glass of milk.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Just curious, why is she having half her intestine removed? If this is too sensitive please disregard the question.

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/celiac-disease/DS00319/DSECTION=8

Part of her celiac disease. I'll have to get a better description, but I'll do the best that I can.

The villi that are in the intenstine that helps the intestine digest the foods are dying and not growing back, causing the entine section of the intestine to shut down.

 

[Mulli]

Part of her celiac disease. I'll have to get a better description, but I'll do the best that I can.

The villi that are in the intenstine that helps the intestine digest the foods are dying and not growing back, causing the entine section of the intestine to shut down.

I thought she was just full of crap.


sorry. Poor thing losing her guts and I am making fun.

 

[D-Dogg]

So basically what wally is saying can be summed up on one photo:

You must be registered for see images

 

[Southpaw]

I'm going to out-live you, wally, and then I'm going to toast that fact with a glass of milk.

Of course you will. You are a lot younger than me. But will you live as long as me?

Muuu wah ha ha.

 

[Southpaw]

Part of her celiac disease. I'll have to get a better description, but I'll do the best that I can.

The villi that are in the intenstine that helps the intestine digest the foods are dying and not growing back, causing the entine section of the intestine to shut down.

2nd opinion or maybe even a nutritionist? Good luck to her.

 

[Southpaw]

So basically what wally is saying can be summed up on one photo:

You must be registered for see images

Hey where did you get a picture of me?

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I thought she was just full of crap.


sorry. Poor thing losing her guts and I am making fun.

losing her guts was funnier.

2nd opinion or maybe even a nutritionist? Good luck to her.

Has had several opinions. She has to be on a strict diet, or she will be in a world of hurt. She sees different doctors once a week probably. I only get bits and pieces of what she is going through now, but she needs to hire a nutritionist. Not enough to do so, as she doesn't have health insurance ATM.

 

[Southpaw]

losing her guts was funnier.




Has had several opinions. She has to be on a strict diet, or she will be in a world of hurt. She sees different doctors once a week probably. I only get bits and pieces of what she is going through now, but she needs to hire a nutritionist. Not enough to do so, as she doesn't have health insurance ATM.

I can get plenty of info for you on the subject. Very good friend of mine is a nutritionist.

She could start here

http://search.lef.org/search/default.aspx?s=1&QUERY=celiac

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I can get plenty of info for you on the subject. Very good friend of mine is a nutritionist.

She could start here

http://search.lef.org/search/default.aspx?s=1&QUERY=celiac

She has much more info on it than I do. I know I am selling short here.

I just haven't kept up with it as well as I should. She is a part of a celiac club, foundation. A group of celiacs meet up once a quarter, etc.

Thanks for the link though.