You wanted Watson active? you got it (dan williams not suiting up)

[Duckjake]

More then one poster on this board who sit on the home side of the field close to the field posted about it.

This news only verifies what they saw.

I agree with Shane if the player cant play more then 2-3 plays a defensive stand then the only person that is a joke is the Player not the staff.

Then the real joke is the staff that drafted the kid in the first place. And with the way things are controlled by the teams in the NFL these days I would think the Cards could have plenty of say over what he was doing 24/7.

It also raises the question of why it has taken almost 4 weeks into the season for it to become a serious issue and if it has been a problem for awhile why has Watson been inactive? Were the coaches hoping it would just cure itself overnight? Just seems odd that it could have become a serious problem in just a week.

This has been one weird season. First the issue with Lutui's weight but he plays better than any of the other linemen. Then our supposed QBOF is released right before the start of the season. Then Watson is inexplicably inactive for 3 weeks and it suddenly comes out days after the fact that Beanie has had knee surgery and now people are saying our 2010 first round draft pick is a fat joke.

Unreal. Hey, but at least we are 2-1.

 

[Monty]

While dissapointing I am not going to write the kid off yet either. Every rookie has a hill to climb and this just so happens to be his. His worth will be determined based on how he digs himself out of it.

Exactly. I think people are being too hard and even venomous on the guy.Though im disappointed to hear of this development we should lay off the kid and give him a chance to prove to the coaches he has what it takes. We all know he has excellent help at his hand in John Lott to help him get fit and get fit soon. Lutui was way over his weight coming into camp and very quickly got his act together. This should be used as a wake up call by Big Dan and i hope he gets back into the team very soon because i was very pleased with what i saw of him in the few plays i did see him. Dockett looked much more explosive when Williams was in centre and together they collapsed the pocket comfortably and id love to see more of that in the near future.

Give him a chance to show us this was just a lapse before you start discrediting him and cussing him out.

 

[joeshmo]

Then the real joke is the staff that drafted the kid in the first place. And with the way things are controlled by the teams in the NFL these days I would think the Cards could have plenty of say over what he was doing 24/7.

Why would drafting him in the first place be the real joke? Players, good and great players mind you, have never had a stumble their first years in the league? Fitz didn't come out gang busters, in fact he was always getting lambasted for his routes being lazy. Breaston has said he didn't take working out as serious as he should have his rookie year, and the list goes on and on. Lets see what the the kid does after the fact before we call anything a joke.

One stumbled in week 4 means the staff that drafted the kid is a joke????

And the team does not have plenty of say 24/7. They go to work then go home just like anyone else. The team has zero control over what a player does at home, if they did the league wouldn't be riddled with DUI's.

 

[Duckjake]

Exactly. Though im disappointed to hear of this development we should lay off the kid and give him a chance to prove to the coaches he has what it takes. We all know he has excellent help at his hand in John Lott to help him get fit and get fit soon. Lutui was way over his weight coming into camp and very quickly got his act together. This should be used as a wake up call by Big Dan and i hope he gets back into the team very soon because i was very pleased with what i saw of him in the few plays i did see him. Dockett looked much more explosive when Williams was in centre and together they collapsed the pocket comfortably and id love to see more of that in the near future.

Apparently that hasn't worked so far.

The Lutui situation was different because he wasn't in camp and working with Lott when he supposedly got out of shape.

I still don't see how a kid that plays as well as Dan does can be slacking off in workouts and ignoring his nutrition.

I have noticed that the Cards always seem to have issues with players being too big but never too small. I wonder if that is any indication of the staff's idea of what they want the team to be. Smaller and quicker overall? However we saw how that worked out in the Atlanta game. As much as LSH adds to the Cards you can't have an entire team of guys 5'8" and 170lbs.

 

[Dayman]

He can chase a guy down. But he will be on the bench sucking down an oxygen mask for the rest of the series.

That's a fair point. I'm just not sure it warrants him being deactivated. Reduced playing time makes sense, but taking him completely out of the equation when we already rank 31st in run D seems pretty harsh.

 

[Duckjake]

That's a fair point. I'm just not sure it warrants him being deactivated. Reduced playing time makes sense, but taking him completely out of the equation when we already rank 31st in run D seems pretty harsh.

Life lesson trump wins? I thought that was only in Pop Warner football. But then that's how we got Kerry Rhodes so maybe its evened out.

 

[az1965]

Then the real joke is the staff that drafted the kid in the first place. And with the way things are controlled by the teams in the NFL these days I would think the Cards could have plenty of say over what he was doing 24/7.

It also raises the question of why it has taken almost 4 weeks into the season for it to become a serious issue and if it has been a problem for awhile why has Watson been inactive? Were the coaches hoping it would just cure itself overnight? Just seems odd that it could have become a serious problem in just a week.

This has been one weird season. First the issue with Lutui's weight but he plays better than any of the other linemen. Then our supposed QBOF is released right before the start of the season. Then Watson is inexplicably inactive for 3 weeks and it suddenly comes out days after the fact that Beanie has had knee surgery and now people are saying our 2010 first round draft pick is a fat joke.

Unreal. Hey, but at least we are 2-1.

It has been a weird season so far

 

[82CardsGrad]

Good thing we didn't draft the fatty Cody.

Ironically...

Terrence Cody expected to play Sunday

OWINGS MILLS, Md.—Baltimore Ravens rookie nose guard Terrence Cody(notes) is expected to play Sunday against the Pittsburgh Steelers.


However, the second-round draft pick from Alabama made no commitments toward being definitely in the game plan.

"You'll see me when you see me," Cody said.

Cody is recovering from arthroscopic surgery on his torn lateral meniscus, but says he's medically cleared.

Cody lined up on the kickoff return team this week in practice.

"Yeah, I'm ready to play," he said I feel like I can help the team out make some plays and help our team win the game."

 

[Buckybird]

Maybe big #92 is hurt & Wiz is covering up his injury for a few weeks like he did Beanies...just a thought Oh but we would never falsify an injury report, wink wink.

 

[Monty]

Apparently that hasn't worked so far.

I was saying that Dan will have no excuse not to prove he can get down to the required weight because he has the best help at his disposal. He may not have used to the best effect but this wake-up call should make him realise that he cannot afford not to.

The Lutui situation was different because he wasn't in camp and working with Lott when he supposedly got out of shape.

The Lutui example is actually an excellent one. It shows that a player can let things go but that as soon as he gets a wake-up call that his position is at risk he gets his act together and fast. Lutui was actually WAY over his weight and in the time of a few weeks shed all of the excess weight he was carrying. All Big Dan needs to do is ensure he has both the will power and staying power to do the same. It is now in Williams' court to prove that he can.

I still don't see how a kid that plays as well as Dan does can be slacking off in workouts and ignoring his nutrition.

I have noticed that the Cards always seem to have issues with players being too big but never too small. I wonder if that is any indication of the staff's idea of what they want the team to be. Smaller and quicker overall? However we saw how that worked out in the Atlanta game. As much as LSH adds to the Cards you can't have an entire team of guys 5'8" and 170lbs.

If you're saying that you think that the Cards may be demanding a bit too much I dont agree. They have one of the best strength and conditioning coaches in the game and they make very good use of his services in ensuring their players are up to their optimum weights. Your LSH reference is completely unfair as each player is evaluated on their own bodies and playing styles and with how mouthy NFL players usually are im sure we would have heard a long time ago if unfair expectations were set to them. In LSH's case, he weighed 180 coming into the league and i dont think it was because of pressure he lost weight if he lost any. I think its more likely he works out more because of his own determination to make the squad.

 

[Duckjake]

The Ravens have four defensive linemen on their roster that are listed at over 340lbs. That's some serious beef.

 

[Monty]

Has there actually been a confirmed reliable source of this as I dont entirely trust PFT.

 

[Duckjake]

Has there actually been a confirmed reliable source of this as I dont entirely trust PFT.

That was PFT.??? Just glanced at the link and it looked like it came from the Cards site because of the colors so didn't see that. Need to pay more attention but Texas/OU is tomorrow and we started tailgating already.

Even if it is BS it's still been a strange season. I did forget to add to the strange happenings that we've had a game where our opponents lost because they missed a chip shot FG.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

I have noticed that the Cards always seem to have issues with players being too big but never too small.

DRC and Daryl Washington both were told that they needed to gain weight but I doubt if they loose weight they will be benched like Williams.

He is a big guy, who knows if he is working his butt off and the weight is just not coming off.

It is harder for some people to lose weight.

The situation ,and I do not care who is to blame, is a joke IMO. The guy is NT tackle.

He is not going to get in better playing shape by sitting on the sidelines, IMHO.

 

[82CardsGrad]

The situation ,and I do not care who is to blame, is a joke IMO. The guy is NT tackle.

Is that a newly coined position used for extra FAT NT's??

 

[Buckybird]

That was PFT.??? Just glanced at the link and it looked like it came from the Cards site because of the colors so didn't see that. Need to pay more attention but Texas/OU is tomorrow and we started tailgating already.

Even if it is BS it's still been a strange season. I did forget to add to the strange happenings that we've had a game where our opponents lost because they missed a chip shot FG.

Duck, you going to the game? If so we need to hook up for a few mintues.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Is that a newly coined position used for extra FAT NT's??

Yeah, yeah..... that's the ticket.

Like a XXL shirt.

 

[Monty]

That was PFT.??? Just glanced at the link and it looked like it came from the Cards site because of the colors so didn't see that. Need to pay more attention but Texas/OU is tomorrow and we started tailgating already.

Even if it is BS it's still been a strange season. I did forget to add to the strange happenings that we've had a game where our opponents lost because they missed a chip shot FG.

PFT has now linked it to a tweet from Kent Somers who references another tweet from Jurecki so it would seem to be a legit statement now

 

[82CardsGrad]

Yeah, yeah..... that's the ticket.

Like a XXL shirt.

 

[Russ Smith]

While dissapointing I am not going to write the kid off yet either. Every rookie has a hill to climb and this just so happens to be his. His worth will be determined based on how he digs himself out of it.

Exactly this is actually normal for young guys that big. They don't have to be in shape in college to excel. Hell some of them like Pat Williams don't have to be in shape in the NFL. IF they play for a coach who's demanding, they find out in the NFL it's a lot tougher.

This is a good lesson for Williams, he needs to get in better shape. Watson had the same issue his rookie year and got better, he just can't stay healthy.

 

[kerouac9]

More then one poster on this board who sit on the home side of the field close to the field posted about it.

This news only verifies what they saw.

I agree with Shane if the player cant play more then 2-3 plays a defensive stand then the only person that is a joke is the Player not the staff.

He finished the series. It was just a JumboTron shot in between plays (or during a timeout) where he was breathing hard fairly early in the drive. He didn't have to leave the field, and I believe even made an impact play later in the series.

 

[kerouac9]

Exactly this is actually normal for young guys that big. They don't have to be in shape in college to excel. Hell some of them like Pat Williams don't have to be in shape in the NFL. IF they play for a coach who's demanding, they find out in the NFL it's a lot tougher.

This is a good lesson for Williams, he needs to get in better shape. Watson had the same issue his rookie year and got better, he just can't stay healthy.

Yup. This might just be a "message" deactivation against a run game that's struggling and an offensive line that isn't that good right now. Also, it could be that the Cards are looking to shop Watson in a trade and would like to feature him for a few series to get people interested.

You could do worse than a conditional 4th rounder for a guy you're going to let walk come March anyway.

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

Really? We are giving up on him for this? The coaches are a joke b/c of this? This happens all the time. The deactivation is probably trying to wake him up. He will be fine. No cause for alarm yet....

 

[azsouthendzone]

As far as I could tell he was playing just fine Sunday. Better than Robinson for sure. So how does he get too big too play in just 4 days? I didn't think you could be too large to play the NT position in the NFL.

Williams becomes the 5th Cardinal first round draft pick to have had issues this year. Rolle and Leinart cut. Fitz and Beanie hobbled by injury. What next?

Whiz is just showing tough love. It will make Williams better long term.

 

[dogpoo32]

This ranks as yet another chapter of the absurd when it comes to the Cardinals' defense. All anyone has to do is watch the tape. The guy who is starting at NT is thoroughly ineffective...which is causing other teams to double and triple Dockett without any qualms or fears...which is HURTING the entire defense.

Then you watch when Williams is in the game and it's a remarkable difference...he's not getting hammered backwards as the starter is...he's more than holding his own at the point of attack...and he scrapes down the line and delivers blows on the RB that the starter has never ever delivered in his career.

Just like Deuce is too heavy and out of shape...well, he's the BEST o-lineman on the team...and the coaches can go shove the weight thing because it's a joke.

Go tell the best NTs in the league they can't play because they are tipping 340. Ridiculous.

Didn't have to read past this post. Nail on the head. Big or not, he is already better than Robinson is at this point. Whis needs to stop trying to teach these boys lessons, he's not their father. Unless Big Dan's been warned prior to this, I don't see benching your 1-2 best NT. Of course, he's been doing it with Watson for weeks.