Your Arizona Cardinals now hold the 16th pick in the 2025 NFL Draft

[Harry]

Disagree. Do you think PJJ was a disaster as a rookie? Moving sides is not that difficult. College teams put their best player at blindside. That doesn’t mean he’s a blind side in the NFL. Just that he was the best player at Texas

His capabilities fit better as the front side. He is solid but not elite in pass protection and an absolute beast in the run game.

Couldn’t disagree more. First moving sides is not easy. Humphries for example couldn’t play RT but was at least adequate at LT. Before his late season injury, IMO Johnson was adjusting well. I believe he plays there for years.

 

[DVontel]

Do you think PJJ was a disaster as a rookie?

He played on the right side in college. He had experience there.

I pretty much agree with what Harry said to you in his last post.

 

[Gandhi]

For @Gandhi and draft nerds.

Check the Mike podcast has a 2,5h podcast rating the edge class. Super insightful.

Spoiler rating:
1. Carter
2. Green
3. Walker (but have to fit the scheme due to LB size)
4. Ereiruako
5. Pierce Jr.

Stewart and Mykel Williams have the metrics but not the production to be locks as 1st round talent.

And followed up with a podcast on the 10 biggest sleepers.

I have it ready for tomorrow when I wake up.

 

[GatorAZ]

For @Gandhi and draft nerds.

Check the Mike podcast has a 2,5h podcast rating the edge class. Super insightful.

Spoiler rating:
1. Carter
2. Green
3. Walker (but have to fit the scheme due to LB size)
4. Ereiruako
5. Pierce Jr.

Stewart and Mykel Williams have the metrics but not the production to be locks as 1st round talent.

And followed up with a podcast on the 10 biggest sleepers.

Mykel is slow off the snap on literally every play. There’s no way the coaches haven’t worked with him on it so he must just lack reaction time. An obvious red flag for an edge.

 

[BACH]

Couldn’t disagree more. First moving sides is not easy. Humphries for example couldn’t play RT but was at least adequate at LT. Before his late season injury, IMO Johnson was adjusting well. I believe he plays there for years.

IMO it’s not the side movement that is difficult. (Have done myself - much lower level)
It’s the skillset required. The blindside operates on an island and moving from that into a more integrated part on the oline on the other side is hard. My point is that Banks has a better skillset to be RT in the NFL

 

[Harry]

Virtually every evaluator I communicate with believes the Cards will trade down.

 

[BACH]

Virtually every evaluator I communicate with believes the Cards will trade down.

Makes a lot of sense given the perception of the draft class this year.

Question is if anyone is willing to trade up

 

[football karma]

Virtually every evaluator I communicate with believes the Cards will trade down.

if you subscribe to the theory that there are 10 guys worth of 1st round grades, and then 60 2nd rounders -- dont you have to if an offer presents itself?

 

[BACH]

if you subscribe to the theory that there are 10 guys worth of 1st round grades, and then 60 2nd rounders -- dont you have to if an offer presents itself?

That is the general consensus

 

[CardNots]

if you subscribe to the theory that there are 10 guys worth of 1st round grades, and then 60 2nd rounders -- dont you have to if an offer presents itself?

but if there is that one guy you want, don’t gamble…

 

[GatorAZ]

Virtually every evaluator I communicate with believes the Cards will trade down.

Every team wants to trade down this year.

 

[Garthshort]

but if there is that one guy you want, don’t gamble…

We have to assume that our FO knows that. Depending on how far back we go we have to have guys that we want who will still be there.

 

[Harry]

Every team wants to trade down this year.

Most are saying few trades.

 

[BACH]

Most are saying few trades.

Daniel Jeramiah was speculating in his podcast if the supply and demand mismatch in trades this season will mean the price of trading up becomes much lower and we will see trades

 

[az jam]

Enjoying the discussion on what the Cards will do. We all have opinions and the bottom-line is that we are all clueless on what really will occur. But the Draft is sure fun to discuss and debate.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

The real question is whether it's relevant. We've had really good safety rooms in the past (and today), but having an elite group at a lesser position maybe doesn't move the needle much?

That’s a legit consideration. But thus far it seems like our offense is a TE heavy utilization design, and it’s resulted in superior rushing production. So while I agree you adjust down for position importance, I think you adjust up for scheme usage of position.

 

[kerouac9]

That’s a legit consideration. But thus far it seems like our offense is a TE heavy utilization design, and it’s resulted in superior rushing production. So while I agree you adjust down for position importance, I think you adjust up for scheme usage of position.

Cards had two or more TEs on the field 43.7% of the time.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Should we talk more about Benjamin Morrison? Just because nobody is. Seems like a solid round 2 option to me.

Phoenix native. Comes from a family of athletes. Ball hawk. Was certainly a top 2 CB and 1st round pick before his injury. Has a workout at Brophy Prep on the 21st.

Ben Morrison at #47 might be better value than Will Johnson at #16.

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Man a hip injury requiring surgery for a corner. I don’t know about that. He was for sure talented. First round talented imo. But a hip injury is no joke for a corner.

 

[BirdGangThing]

Cards had two or more TEs on the field 43.7% of the time.

i knew it was a lot but damn

 

[Stout]

We have to assume that our FO knows that. Depending on how far back we go we have to have guys that we want who will still be there.

See, I absolutely hate this approach. To me, it's "Oh well, this guy at the top of our board is gone, now that guy at the top of our board is gone...heck, five or six of them are gone, but it's okay getting the 6th or 7th guy on our list because we got a 3rd round pick." Stick and pick and take the higher rated player. And if you're telling me they're all tied? A--I don't believe you, and B--It sounds like we should've traded up. We're in the market for instant impact, not depth/belly players/Draft Picks vibes.

 

[Stout]

Daniel Jeramiah was speculating in his podcast if the supply and demand mismatch in trades this season will mean the price of trading up becomes much lower and we will see trades

I'm especially out in this case. Trade back 5 spots for a 4th rounder? Eff no.

 

[BirdGangThing]

there's this one team called the seahawks - they're picking 2 spots behind us - they're probably going o-line - if someone slides to us and we trade back seattle will likely snatch them up

 

[oaken1]

Man a hip injury requiring surgery for a corner. I don’t know about that. He was for sure talented. First round talented imo. But a hip injury is no joke for a corner.

Especially a corner that has stiff hips to begin with.
I would be leery

 

[BACH]

there's this one team called the seahawks - they're picking 2 spots behind us - they're probably going o-line - if someone slides to us and we trade back seattle will likely snatch them up

Sea need OL and WR.
TB are reportedly in love with LB Campbell and the corners
DEN need WR and TE
PIT need CB
LAC need DT, WR and TE.

 

[BACH]

I'm especially out in this case. Trade back 5 spots for a 4th rounder? Eff no.

Obviously not. Only if the compensation is there.