Your Arizona Cardinals now hold the 16th pick in the 2025 NFL Draft

[football karma]

It is BEYOND WEIRD that you think the Rams game meant anything h considering we were eliminated the WEEK BEFORE AFTER LOSING TO CAROLINA.

The Rams game was completely meaningless. This can’t even be argued in any way shape or form.

meaningless to the Cardinals the Rams needed to win that game

 

[Cheesebeef]

Sorry. You have to do better than that.

What criteria are you basing that on?

How about we start with the fact that Bowers was already superior this year not just in stats but by the eye test as well.

Throw in a pick this year on top of Bowers rookie season blowing MHJ away and I’d like to see the argument made in favor of MHJ alone at this point.

 

[Cheesebeef]

meaningless to the Cardinals the Rams needed to win that game

That doesn’t change the point made that the cardinals were “on the brink” of making the playoffs considering THE CARDINALS last two games were meaningless for them.

 

[TheCardFan]

Are we really debating that we should have Brock Bowers and Trey McBride?

 

[Chris_Sanders]

i argued that Nabors + a high 3rd was better than MHJ

Sure but the position was that no one on the board wanted two top TEs, which is wrong

 

[Cheesebeef]

Are we really debating that we should have Brock Bowers and Trey McBride?

Are you really going to laud Monti for building the team in the draft and FA with the Patriot way as you have for two years… and then scoff at idea of building the offense in the Patriot way?

This should be good…

 

[TheCardFan]

Are you really going to laud Monti for building the team in the draft and FA with the Patriot way as you have for two years… and then scoff at idea of building the offense in the Patriot way?

This should be good…

BB was the coach of the Patriots for 24 years and had two excellent TE's like you are suggesting for three of them. FYI - didn't win the Super Bowl in any of those three years.

Is that the Patriot way?

 

[Harry]

Jon Gaines has done almost nothing. Elijah Moore has literally done nothing. Beej has been Zaven Collins as a pass rusher and Dennis Gardeck as a run defender.

There are no busts in year one or two but there are guys on that trajectory.

Agree on Gaines

 

[kerouac9]

7th in the sense of the worst record to qualify vs. the actual seedings

i consider the Rams the 7th seed

Oh well we should probably exist under your unexplained definitions and not like the literal definitions everyone uses.

Good idea.

 

[slanidrac16]

Dude I wanted to trade back from 4 and take Bowers last year.

And I was right

Bowers would have had 50 or more less catches on this team. He’s would have watched McBride half the time.
Situations matter.

 

[CardsFan88]

We played a lot of TE's this year (according to this ~44 percent of snaps 2 or 3 TE's). I suspect Bowers and McBride together might have made things more interesting.

If these were our TE's, those percentage numbers would likely be higher. Based on what we ran I'd say he might be a better fit for Uncle Fester's offense.

Don't forget Bowers had Minshew and Aidan O'Connell throwing to him, and did well even after they shipped off Adams.

Hindsight is 2020. Luckily Harrison has plenty of talent, so it's not like we drafted Clyde Duncan. I'm fine with Harrison as a player, even if we should wish for more dawg in him. But as of the first season, Bowers or Nabers were the top dawgs in the draft. Now we'll see in a few if Ladd McConkey shines in the postseason. Guy is on a tear to end the season.

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[Cheesebeef]

Bowers would have had 50 or more less catches on this team. He’s would have watched McBride half the time.
Situations matter.

Situations do matter and considering we run more multiple TE looks than probably 2/3s of the rest of the league and that we have a QB who loves throwing to TEs more than anything else, somehow saying Bowers would have 50 less catches shows a fundamental misunderstanding of exactly the situation our offense plays in..

 

[GatorAZ]

BB was the coach of the Patriots for 24 years and had two excellent TE's like you are suggesting for three of them. FYI - didn't win the Super Bowl in any of those three years.

Is that the Patriot way?

Finishing 1st, 1st and 3rd in scoring offense those three years is pretty good.

 

[Stout]

Sorry. Do not buy that narrative. You are acting like person that is complaining about a 10% ROI in a general 4% market, because someone had a 20% ROI.

If you want to rate Monti based on the quality players that he passed on, then you also have to bring in the crap players that he passed on into the equation.

You keep bringing up LaPorta for comparison. 9 players where drafted ahead of BJ in the 2nd round. 2 stars, 3 solid players and 3 complete busts. That is your dataset

I haven't mentioned LaPorta once. I think that was Ouchie?

My point with Monti is simple: He has missed on a number of instant impact Big Johns and hasn't shown a nose for finding them in the draft. Build the belly of the team? He did that. Get some young talent to develop? He has done some of that. Bring in the big hitters? Not yet.

 

[WisconsinCard]

This is true. But after two drafts and 20 picks, the hope is that ONE pick would have burst out the scene at a high level. Especially considering the multitude of high picks in both the 1st and 2nd round the first two years.

The lack of one true breakout star so far is a little troubling as far as Monti’s eye for upper echelon talent’s concerned.

Especially since the the two best players he’s drafted Paris/MHJ we’re both taken highest amongst their positions and neither are even the 2nd or 3rd best player from their class at their own position after being taken 1st above others.

But you said at least MO didn't screw up the MHJ pick I think on draft day. You are fired up man.

 

[HairZach]

Bowers would have had 50 or more less catches on this team. He’s would have watched McBride half the time.
Situations matter.

We play 12 or 13 nearly 50% of the time and would quite often send multiple TEs on routes, with Bowers that could have been increased. Considering Bowers regularly smokes good CBs downfield, something MHJ didn't do this season, I think he would have gotten his fair share of targets. Bowers is a much better player and there is plenty of room in our offense for him.

Just think of it this way. For every individual play, If you took MHJ off the field and put Bowers on instead, the play becomes a lot more dangerous, both running and passing.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Finishing 1st, 1st and 3rd in scoring offense those three years is pretty good.

Pesky facts. We’d never want that kind of production!

 

[slanidrac16]

We play 12 or 13 nearly 50% of the time and would quite often send multiple TEs on routes, with Bowers that could have been increased. Considering Bowers regularly smokes good CBs downfield, something MHJ didn't do this season, I think he would have gotten his fair share of targets. Bowers is a much better player and there is plenty of room in our offense for him.

Just think of it this way. For every individual play, If you took MHJ off the field and put Bowers on instead, the play becomes a lot more dangerous, both running and passing.

Could, would, might, should , maybe and maybe not.
If we would have picked Bowers last year everyone, except maybe you , would have flipped our lids with McBride already on the team.

 

[HairZach]

Could, would, might, should , maybe and maybe not.
If we would have picked Bowers last year everyone, except maybe you , would have flipped our lids with McBride already on the team.

Oh I would have flipped my lid too, it goes to show that being higher up in the draft isn't always better. If only Prater had made those field goals vs. the Seahawks we wouldn't have been in position to take Marvin.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

He is already better now than Humphries was at his best.

Based on what? His last games didn’t support that contention.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I am more confident he would hit with quantity but quality isn't a bad plan either. Standing at 16 I believe is the most risk

But you literally just detailed how he failed with quantity. He had ELEVEN picks last year and 6 in the top 3 rounds.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

so that week 16 game against the Rams was meaningless. I thought it meant something. Weird.

Um we were eliminated against Carolina. So yeah, weird.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

It is BEYOND WEIRD that you think the Rams game meant anything h considering we were eliminated the WEEK BEFORE AFTER LOSING TO CAROLINA.

The Rams game was completely meaningless. This can’t even be argued in any way shape or form.

Borg

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

meaningless to the Cardinals the Rams needed to win that game

The rams needing the game didn’t mean the cardinals were “on the brink of the playoffs” as they were eliminated. That’s the point that was being argued.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

But you literally just detailed how he failed with quantity. He had ELEVEN picks last year and 6 in the top 3 rounds.

Yep and he started with high picks as well. No easy solution here