Your Arizona Cardinals now hold the 16th pick in the 2025 NFL Draft

[Cheesebeef]

Cheese/Dream… are you guys fighting nice?

I admit that I come off like a jerk some times. The inability to admit fault triggers me more than almost anything else in the world and it unleashes the worst of my lesser impulses.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

You’re right. I do have a crappy attitude when someone is demonstrably proven wrong (like you were with the Cardinals link/quote I posted the first time) and they still won’t admit it until so much redundant proof is offered to them that they have no choice to finally admit fault.

Having to pull teeth and nails before someone gets to the point of admitting they’re wrong is a massive failing of society at this point, so when I see that, it makes me sad and pisses me off.

Cut the crap. You responded to my post by saying 'What are you talking about?' Your attitude was there from the beginning. Don't act like it wasn't, or that this type of response from you isn't out of the norm. So spare me the fact that you only had an attitude because you 'had to prove me wrong.'

Furthermore, it was clear that I mis-remembered. It was also clear that I said I thought. Having 3 teams all finish with a 9-7 record, it would at least make some sense that they would still not necessarily be mathematically eliminated... but hey, kudos to you being right and me being wrong.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I admit that I come off like a jerk some times. The inability to admit fault triggers me more than almost anything else in the world and it unleashes the worst of my lesser impulses.

Bro, I literally said in my post that I would fully admit if I was wrong. I'm not sure how much more I can admit to it than that.

 

[Chopper0080]

Bro, I literally said in my post that I would fully admit if I was wrong. I'm not sure how much more I can admit to it than that.

You said you would but have you actually done it?

 

[PDXChris]

You said you would but have you actually done it?

..but hey, kudos to you being right and me being wrong.

 

[Chopper0080]

Thanks. I tend to skim the bickering and missed this.

 

[PDXChris]

Thanks. I tend to skim the bickering and missed this.

No worries! I'm not even sure who DRC is arguing with, but my skim through caught it.

 

[Chopper0080]

Ugh. Reading the scouting reports from some good analysts makes me think I am looking at a different draft class. Starting to fear the Cardinals will be trading back if they can.

 

[oaken1]

Ugh. Reading the scouting reports from some good analysts makes me think I am looking at a different draft class. Starting to fear the Cardinals will be trading back if they can.

All those reports that 15 to 45 is all about the same quality.
That what you're seeing?
I on the other hand would try to get our 48 up to 31 or 32. That fifth year is huge...and you know very well we are in over analyze season...but come April 90% of the top 30 will be the same guys they were in December

 

[Delmar M Lewis]

I just read CBS mock this board would explode "in a Good way" if Mason Grahm is the Pick at 16 I dont think he will make it past 10

 

[GatorAZ]

SIAP: Jeremiah’s mock has Jalon Walker at #16.

 

[oaken1]

I just read CBS mock this board would explode "in a Good way" if Mason Grahm is the Pick at 16 I dont think he will make it past 10

Graham would be a major score.

 

[Chopper0080]

All those reports that 15 to 45 is all about the same quality.
That what you're seeing?
I on the other hand would try to get our 48 up to 31 or 32. That fifth year is huge...and you know very well we are in over analyze season...but come April 90% of the top 30 will be the same guys they were in December

Basically that guys like Pearce, Grant, Nolan, Harmon, and Williams all have flaws that bunch them lower.
Basically, it Carter then Graham and then a large group of flawed players to navigate.

 

[Chopper0080]

Graham would be a major score.

Yeah…that this tough to envision.

 

[oaken1]

Basically that guys like Pearce, Grant, Nolan, Harmon, and Williams all have flaws that bunch them lower.
Basically, it Carter then Graham and then a large group of flawed players to navigate.

I think it's just system related. Some teams like prototypes and others like tweeners. Guys need development to be well rounded sure.
But how good would Graham look in a system that required him to stay home and cover his gap?
I like this draft because there seem to be system fits for a variety of schemes.

 

[Delmar M Lewis]

Yeah…that this tough to envision.

Sure but it dont hurt to dream

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Ugh. Reading the scouting reports from some good analysts makes me think I am looking at a different draft class. Starting to fear the Cardinals will be trading back if they can.

I think a trade back is likely also. The Cards only have 5 picks, correct? I can see Monti wanting to acquire more. I don't think a trade back is a bad idea. The talent level is pretty even in the mid 1st to mid 2nd rounds. The kids from Marshall or Ole Miss in the late 1st/ early 2nd could easily turn out better than Pearce, Walker or Williams.
At edge after Carter, I'm not sure where the big talent drop off is in this draft. To me, after Carter, McMillan, Hunter and maybe Graham, you could make an argument for numerous guys at each position of who is best and who the next 4-5 are.

 

[Harry]

Basically that guys like Pearce, Grant, Nolan, Harmon, and Williams all have flaws that bunch them lower.
Basically, it Carter then Graham and then a large group of flawed players to navigate.

I wouldn’t say “flawed.” Several of these guys need to develop better technique. Every pick is a projection. The few at the top have enough polish to project them starting immediately. The rest need some degree of improvement. The players available at 16 typically require less development than those lower in the draft and may be immediately useful situationally. Pass rushers often fit that description. The exception in this draft might be DTs. If Grant is there at 16 he can likely play immediately though probably as part of a rotation. Nolan figures to play early on running downs. Harmon maybe more in passing situation. Of course some positions often not targeted early, like RBs, can often play immediately. If you want one of those at 16 you can often get the top of the pool.

 

[Stout]

I think a trade back is likely also. The Cards only have 5 picks, correct? I can see Monti wanting to acquire more. I don't think a trade back is a bad idea. The talent level is pretty even in the mid 1st to mid 2nd rounds. The kids from Marshall or Ole Miss in the late 1st/ early 2nd could easily turn out better than Pearce, Walker or Williams.
At edge after Carter, I'm not sure where the big talent drop off is in this draft. To me, after Carter, McMillan, Hunter and maybe Graham, you could make an argument for numerous guys at each position of who is best and who the next 4-5 are.

I'd have to break out the Draft Picks jersey, because why not continue to trade back and draft lesser talent than stick and pick and get better talent? lol

I don't doubt this will be Monti's approach again. He's going to trade down himself out of a job eventually.

 

[football karma]

Basically that guys like Pearce, Grant, Nolan, Harmon, and Williams all have flaws that bunch them lower.
Basically, it Carter then Graham and then a large group of flawed players to navigate.

yep

if you look at the NFL.com ratings for the defensive players in that range, they all score in the "will eventually be a NFL starter".

I think everyones' expectations for a player at #16 are way higher than "eventually a starter"

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I'd have to break out the Draft Picks jersey, because why not continue to trade back and draft lesser talent than stick and pick and get better talent? lol

I don't doubt this will be Monti's approach again. He's going to trade down himself out of a job eventually.

I'm always one for the more talented player and if there's a clear better talent available at 16, I agree. I don't see a clear better talent available. Give me discernable differences between Jalon Walker and Mike Green. There really isn't much other than Walker played for UGA. That's why in this draft; I'd rather have Green at say 28 and a 3rd-4th round pick than Walker at 16.

I agree Walker is a better overall, all-around player but I'm going by the Cards biggest need which is getting after the passer and Green is probably better at that.

 

[Stout]

I'm always one for the more talented player and if there's a clear better talent available at 16, I agree. I don't see a clear better talent available. Give me discernable differences between Jalon Walker and Mike Green. There really isn't much other than Walker played for UGA. That's why in this draft; I'd rather have Green at say 28 and a 3rd-4th round pick than Walker at 16.

I agree Walker is a better overall, all-around player but I'm going by the Cards biggest need which is getting after the passer and Green is probably better at that.

Except Monti has shown a tendency to trade down, get more picks, then take a player who isn't as good. Would you rather have Melton or Dejean, for instance? Or Lassiter, Fiske, etc?