Your Arizona Cardinals now hold the 16th pick in the 2025 NFL Draft

[football karma]

or, a slot WR

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[football karma]

since I brought up Membou -- who was a RT at Mizzou

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[Stout]

I would rather have Melton & Tip than DeJean which is what we got by trading back.

I cannot disagree more. DeJean is a finalist for defensive rookie of the year. Melton...isn't, and a blocking TE doesn't come close to making up the difference. This is classic Monti and why our roster isn't better than it should be by now.

 

[Stout]

the other implication:

Jeremiah noted that players 20-60 were all the same -- implying there are 19 players at a tier above

what if at #16, the only remaining top tier players are...... offensive linemen? Projected guards? (Mebou and/or Booker)

just imagining draft day when the Cards take a guard at #16 (even though it was the "right" thing to do)

Good point!

 

[Stout]

Would you rather have

MHJr (a "Big John")


or trade with the Vikings and end up with:


Jared Verse
Brian Thomas

Touche! I would say that this is very much hindsight, however. MHJ was the biggest Big John (at the time, to me and many experts and posters). Given the above choice, sure, I would make that trade. The other problem with your premise is that Monti may well have not picked those players. A trade down doesn't guarantee he picks correctly.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Touche! I would say that this is very much hindsight, however. MHJ was the biggest Big John (at the time, to me and many experts and posters). Given the above choice, sure, I would make that trade. The other problem with your premise is that Monti may well have not picked those players. A trade down doesn't guarantee he picks correctly.

Yep looking back at past drafts is all hindsight. Staying at a pick doesn't guarantee a good pick. Trading down for more assets doesn't guarantee good picks.

Only time will tell if a draft has been successful or not. IMO the best indicator of a good draft is how many of those players drafted end up getting new contracts.

 

[Harry]

the other implication:

Jeremiah noted that players 20-60 were all the same -- implying there are 19 players at a tier above

what if at #16, the only remaining top tier players are...... offensive linemen? Projected guards? (Mebou and/or Booker)

just imagining draft day when the Cards take a guard at #16 (even though it was the "right" thing to do)

I’m guessing no chance on a guard

 

[Cheesebeef]

Would you rather have

MHJr (a "Big John")


or trade with the Vikings and end up with:


Jared Verse
Brian Thomas

Monti hasn’t shown ANY ability to identify the kind of talent those two guys have outside… even with top 6 picks in the first round, much less a lot lower in the first.

It’s more likely Monti drafts Keon Coleman and Darius Robinson than Verse/Thomas.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Cheese/Dream… are you guys fighting nice?

Mmmm . . . cheese dream . . .

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Mmmm . . . cheese dream . . .

Dreaming of cheese is a nightmare. I freaking hate cheese unless it is necessary to complete a meal. Those that put on extra cheese on everything is blasphemous.

With that said, I like Cheesebeef, no matter the beef we have about once a quarter.

 

[football karma]

I’m guessing no chance on a guard

id be ok with a high end OT

but if its a guard, he better be the next coming of Zach Martin

 

[BACH]

Monti hasn’t shown ANY ability to identify the kind of talent those two guys have outside… even with top 6 picks in the first round, much less a lot lower in the first.

It’s more likely Monti drafts Keon Coleman and Darius Robinson than Verse/Thomas.

Not hitting on every single pick is not a complete lack of ability. The 2023 draft is definitely above your average draft class.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Not hitting on every single pick is not a complete lack of ability. The 2023 draft is definitely above your average draft class.

Again, for the billionth time on ASFN, no made this claim.

 

[BACH]

Again, for the billionth time on ASFN, no made this claim.

Well....

Monti hasn’t shown ANY ability to identify the kind of talent those two guys have outside… even with top 6 picks in the first round, much less a lot lower in the first.

It’s more likely Monti drafts Keon Coleman and Darius Robinson than Verse/Thomas.

 

[Cardinal88]

Dreaming of cheese is a nightmare. I freaking hate cheese unless it is necessary to complete a meal. Those that put on extra cheese on everything is blasphemous.

With that said, I like Cheesebeef, no matter the beef we have about once a quarter.

A dietician once said “there are no redeeming qualities in cheese”. But damn it tastes good!

 

[BirdGangThing]

maria's fry bread on 40th street and thomas

if you order the bean and cheese - and don't order extra cheese - blasphemy

 

[Stout]

Well....

Tell me again how many Big Johns Monti has drafted?

 

[kerouac9]

Tell me again how many Big Johns Monti has drafted?

Also: the post he quoted does nothing to refute or rebut @Ouchie-Z-Clown 's claim that no one is accusing Monti of failure because he doesn't "hit on every draft pick."

Monti's "above-average" 2023 draft class includes one very good player at a secondary position in Garrett Williams, one good player in Paris Johnson, two average-ish starters in Michael Wilson and Dante Stills, and a bunch of replacement-level players.

This is a pretty good draft class for a team with a solid foundation, but when you're trying to build up around almost nothing, it's a tough one.

 

[Cheesebeef]

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Well....

Not sure what kind of gotcha you think this is. Again, my point is Monti hasn’t been able to ID ANY STARS the level of Thomas/Verse in the draft. Please show me where he’s drafted a Brian Thomas/Jared Verse level talent who were STARS off the bat, one of them top 3 in yards/7th in TDs for ALL WRs and the other winning Defensive Rookie Of The Year.

Paris is a good, not great tackle who started struggling a lot the second half of his second season. Williams is very good 3rd corner at a secondary position on the defense. And that’s it for any kind of high-ish level production.

 

[oaken1]

Also: the post he quoted does nothing to refute or rebut @Ouchie-Z-Clown 's claim that no one is accusing Monti of failure because he doesn't "hit on every draft pick."

Monti's "above-average" 2023 draft class includes one very good player at a secondary position in Garrett Williams, one good player in Paris Johnson, two average-ish starters in Michael Wilson and Dante Stills, and a bunch of replacement-level players.

This is a pretty good draft class for a team with a solid foundation, but when you're trying to build up around almost nothing, it's a tough one.

Considering most nfl defenses are in nickel 50% of the time or more one can hardly describe slot cb as a secondary position.
Except that he is in fact, in the secondary.

 

[kerouac9]

Considering most nfl defenses are in nickel 50% of the time or more one can hardly describe slot cb as a secondary position.
Except that he is in fact, in the secondary.

I'd like to see Garrett Williams a lot more in the defense. It's not my decision to not feature what could well be our best defensive player: it's the head coach and defensive coordinator's. No reason in the world that Starling Thomas V plays more snaps than Garrett Williams.

No reason that Williams can't move inside in nickel packages and play outside in the base.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Not hitting on every single pick is not a complete lack of ability.

Goal post moving garbage.

My point was specifically that Monti hasn’t been able to identify ANY STAR LEVEL TALENT like a top 5 WR right out of the shoot or a Defensive Rookie of The Year level talent.

But you knew that.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I'd like to see Garrett Williams a lot more in the defense. It's not my decision to not feature what could well be our best defensive player: it's the head coach and defensive coordinator's. No reason in the world that Starling Thomas V plays more snaps than Garrett Williams.

No reason that Williams can't move inside in nickel packages and play outside in the base.

This.

 

[BirdGangThing]

any meatball sub without extra cheese

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[Chopper0080]

Considering most nfl defenses are in nickel 50% of the time or more one can hardly describe slot cb as a secondary position.
Except that he is in fact, in the secondary.

He has been placed into a sub package role. That sub package role had him play 71.85% of defensive snaps in a healthy season. 5th most on the team. Only 6 games playing over 80% of snaps.

I am happy with the production when he is on the field but the best CBs don't play 71% of snaps which is what keeps him from being a premium CB at this point.