Your Arizona Cardinals now hold the 16th pick in the 2025 NFL Draft

[Chopper0080]

If he passed the physical and the opinion of our OL coach, I'm guessing Simmons of OSU with our first pick.

This would be frustrating

 

[kerouac9]

So you’ll be okay with an offensive lineman pick at 16?

It depends on the prospect. I feel like I have less anxiety about our OL personnel than seems to be the consensus on the board.

I think I have less anxiety about this roster than the board consensus. I think the offseason thus far has moved us from a team in the 7-10 win range to the 8-11 win range. What will change that?

A few (relatively) low probability/high impact events like MHJ's ascending to a top five or eight WR and Darius Robinson's developing into a Rashan Gary-type player.

 

[Lomax to Green 84]

I am thinking more and more that the pick is going to be Tyler Booker-guard Alabama and then trade back into end of first for Josh Simmons.

Long term Cards envision a dominating offensive line of:
Paris-Left Tackle
Booker-Left Guard
Froholdt-Center
Adams-Right Guard
Simmons-Right Tackle

 

[MadCardDisease]

I am thinking more and more that the pick is going to be Tyler Booker-guard Alabama and then trade back into end of first for Josh Simmons.

Long term Cards envision a dominating offensive line of:
Paris-Left Tackle
Booker-Left Guard
Froholdt-Center
Adams-Right Guard
Simmons-Right Tackle

I don't see the Cardinals taking 2 OL including trading up for one of them in this draft that is so deep along the DL. Not going to happen.

 

[Chopper0080]

I am thinking more and more that the pick is going to be Tyler Booker-guard Alabama and then trade back into end of first for Josh Simmons.

Long term Cards envision a dominating offensive line of:
Paris-Left Tackle
Booker-Left Guard
Froholdt-Center
Adams-Right Guard
Simmons-Right Tackle

There is a prevailing sentiment that OL will go early in this draft because there is a steep drop off after the first (ish) group.

That said, there is no argument to be made for taking an OT in round 1 that can't be made for taking a DL in round 1. And unlike DL where the current starters are older or mid, Jonah Williams is a pretty decent RT and is still under 30. There isn't really a reason the Cardinals couldn't extend him after this season.

 

[JohnnyCakes]

i cant get away from my gut feeling of DL and OL first and second round. It just makes too much sense

 

[CardNots]

I don't see the Cardinals taking 2 OL including trading up for one of them in this draft that is so deep along the DL. Not going to happen.

but solidifying the OL for the next few years would be welcomed.

 

[Chopper0080]

but solidifying the OL for the next few years would be welcomed.

Here is the tough part. You are only getting Booker for 4 years, and then probably wouldn't re-sign him. If he struggles to win a starting spot or gets injured, that production is further reduced.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Here is the tough part. You are only getting Booker for 4 years, and then probably wouldn't re-sign him. If he struggles to win a starting spot or gets injured, that production is further reduced.

The original post said the Cardinals would trade back into the 1st for Simmons so both would have the 5th year option then.

 

[kerouac9]

The original post said the Cardinals would trade back into the 1st for Simmons so both would have the 5th year option then.

We've gone over this in this thread (I think): you're not exercising the fifth year option for a guard unless he's top 3 at his position and All-Pro.

If Booker turns out to be DJ Humphries quality (a solid starter but unlikely to be among the top 10 at his position), you probably decline the fifth-year option and have to franchise (I don't recall off the top of my head if that's even possible).

 

[Harry]

This would be frustrating

This is an option. He might well have been the number two OT if not injured.

 

[gmabel830]

At this point, outside of something like Shadeur being there and us taking him at #16, I don't think anything will really shock me all that much. We don't have any totally gaping holes in the starting lineup and draft boards will be all of the place this year, so I'm pretty much prepared for anything and won't be mad about it.

 

[MadCardDisease]

We've gone over this in this thread (I think): you're not exercising the fifth year option for a guard unless he's top 3 at his position and All-Pro.

If Booker turns out to be DJ Humphries quality (a solid starter but unlikely to be among the top 10 at his position), you probably decline the fifth-year option and have to franchise (I don't recall off the top of my head if that's even possible).

I don't remember that conversation but I don't fully agree. The fact is, the 5th year option will be available no matter who they select in the 1st round. Most teams who have selected a G in the 1st round recently (Pretty rare for a Guard) have used the 5th year option on players who proved that they can play.

2017 – No 1st round guards

2018 Quentin Nelson

2019 Chris Lindstrom

2020 – No 1st round guards

2021 - Alijah Vera-Tucker


Also Why would they forgo the 5th year option and then Franchise? That makes no sense.

 

[kerouac9]

Also Why would they forgo the 5th year option and then Franchise? That makes no sense.

Because the 5th year option is guaranteed when picked up. The franchise tag gives you a whole other year to evaluate the guy if you’re not sure.

Vera Tucker didn’t seem to hit his escalators for PT to maximize his 5th year option value. Only played 12 games combined in his second and third seasons.

 

[ajcardfan]

I saw a mock yesterday with us taking Membou at #16. That pick would be hard to argue as a terrible pick. It's the one offensive lineman I would probably be happy with at #16 (depending on who else was available). But, I really doubt he is there when we pick.

I haven't really changed my opinion in three months. Either Grant or Nolen is likely to be available when we pick. If we were to pick either one I would be excited about our defensive line in the first time for a long, long time.

 

[HammerCards]

Banks Jr - Texas
First name on Gambo's 5

he consistently has the pick on these lists.

 

[HammerCards]

Banks Jr - Texas
First name on Gambo's 5

he consistently has the pick on these lists.

#2
Williams - Georgia

#3
Simmons - Ohio State

 

[Chopper0080]

This is an option. He might well have been the number two OT if not injured.

I disagree with that sentiment. I haven't read anywhere that he was playing at the level of Campbell or Membou.

 

[Chopper0080]

I don't remember that conversation but I don't fully agree. The fact is, the 5th year option will be available no matter who they select in the 1st round. Most teams who have selected a G in the 1st round recently (Pretty rare for a Guard) have used the 5th year option on players who proved that they can play.

2017 – No 1st round guards

2018 Quentin Nelson

2019 Chris Lindstrom

2020 – No 1st round guards

2021 - Alijah Vera-Tucker


Also Why would they forgo the 5th year option and then Franchise? That makes no sense.

Kenyon Green was drafted by the Texans at pick 15 in 2022. He has been close to a bust and his 5th year option is for 16.685 mil. You picking that up? Zion Johnson was drafted by the Chargers with pick 17. He has been good. His 5th year option is 17.560 mil. You picking that up? Tyler Smith went pick 24 to the Cowboys. He has been very good and made 1 Pro Bowl His 5th year option is 21.272 mil.

Picking up Trey Smith's 5th year option would be at the rate of the 2nd highest paid OG in the NFL behind Trey Smith who just signed his contract this year. Are you picking that up?

 

[Chopper0080]

The Ravens are discussing NOT picking up Tyler Linderbaum's 5th year option because it is 23.403 mil.

EDIT: For context, Creed Humphrey's deal averages 18 mil per year.

 

[HammerCards]

#2
Williams - Georgia

#3
Simmons - Ohio State

#4
Nolen - Ole Miss

 

[Chopper0080]

#2
Williams - Georgia

#3
Simmons - Ohio State

Good hell. Both Simmons and Banks are nightmare fuel.

 

[Chopper0080]

@kerouac9 Here is the most fun one.

Tyler Smith's 5th year option. $21.272 mil.

Aiden Hutchinson's 5th year option. $20.862 mil.

 

[football karma]

Good hell. Both Simmons and Banks are nightmare fuel.

this feels like an overreaction

 

[Harry]

I disagree with that sentiment. I haven't read anywhere that he was playing at the level of Campbell or Membou.

Must not read Mel Kiper, “Kiper continued. “Josh Simmons, as a left tackle, was well on his way this year to becoming maybe the third, fourth, fifth pick in the draft. But he didn’t finish out the year,” Kiper added. “He had cleaned up all the issues with penalties. He had developed into an elite left tackle. Probably ahead of Will Campbell had he been healthy, but he’s not, and when’s he going to be ready?”