Your Arizona Cardinals now hold the 16th pick in the 2025 NFL Draft

[HammerCards]

#4
Nolen - Ole Miss

#5
Booker - Alabama


Love it. Anything across the Oline is fine by me. trenches trenches trenches

 

[Totally_Red]

Must not read Mel Kiper, “Kiper continued. “Josh Simmons, as a left tackle, was well on his way this year to becoming maybe the third, fourth, fifth pick in the draft. But he didn’t finish out the year,” Kiper added. “He had cleaned up all the issues with penalties. He had developed into an elite left tackle. Probably ahead of Will Campbell had he been healthy, but he’s not, and when’s he going to be ready?”

Must have been well coached.

 

[football karma]

#5
Booker - Alabama


Love it. Anything across the Oline is fine by me. trenches trenches trenches

that might make me join Chopper on this

 

[Totally_Red]

#5
Booker - Alabama


Love it. Anything across the Oline is fine by me. trenches trenches trenches

Love all 5. Other 4 more than Banks.

 

[HammerCards]

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#5
Booker - Alabama


Love it. Anything across the Oline is fine by me. trenches trenches trenches

he added honorable mention

Harmon - Oregon

 

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Pet Peeve: Gambo acts like his 5 players are from his careful analysis of them as prospects and what the Cards need

rather than the reality: he had an off the record conference call with Monti

 

[BACH]

We've gone over this in this thread (I think): you're not exercising the fifth year option for a guard unless he's top 3 at his position and All-Pro.

If Booker turns out to be DJ Humphries quality (a solid starter but unlikely to be among the top 10 at his position), you probably decline the fifth-year option and have to franchise (I don't recall off the top of my head if that's even possible).

Nope. What would mean no pro bowls and 5th year option stays at the base. Easy pick-up with the salary range of OL

 

[BACH]

I disagree with that sentiment. I haven't read anywhere that he was playing at the level of Campbell or Membou.

I have heard that from basicly everyone that he would be #1 and a top 5 pick if not for the injury

 

[Chopper0080]

Must not read Mel Kiper, “Kiper continued. “Josh Simmons, as a left tackle, was well on his way this year to becoming maybe the third, fourth, fifth pick in the draft. But he didn’t finish out the year,” Kiper added. “He had cleaned up all the issues with penalties. He had developed into an elite left tackle. Probably ahead of Will Campbell had he been healthy, but he’s not, and when’s he going to be ready?”

Like I said…that is a completely speculative assessment of where his eval may have been in the event he did not get injured. He played 6 games.

 

[Chopper0080]

I have heard that from basicly everyone that he would be #1 and a top 5 pick if not for the injury

lol…the full quote is that if he would have continued to progress at the rate he improved from 2024 to 2024, he might have been a top prospect. He has never played like a top 5 tackle in college. And his improvement over the 1st 6 games had 5 games where OSU won by 35+ pts. His improvement was not against good competition.

 

[Chopper0080]

this feels like an overreaction

I mean…neither would likely play in 2025 unless Jonah isn’t back. Simmons is recovering from a major leg injury and might not be able to start the season. Banks was projected at OG for some.

Punting 1st round picks who are already low ish upside players when your defense is awful and old, and you are chasing your first winning record in year 3 seems like a poor plan.

Monti has done very little to earn any benefit of doubt so far.

 

[BACH]

lol…the full quote is that if he would have continued to progress at the rate he improved from 2024 to 2024, he might have been a top prospect. He has never played like a top 5 tackle in college. And his improvement over the 1st 6 games had 5 games where OSU won by 35+ pts. His improvement was not against good competition.

So you haven’t heard anyone saying it, yet you know the story. Interesting.

But no. That is not correct. A lot of people are saying that his tape from the first 4,5 games before he was injured would have made him the #1.

Heard it from Danial Jerimiah, Dane Bugler and Steve Parazolla.

 

[BirdGangThing]

Love all 5. Other 4 more than Banks.

nah banks jr is legit

 

[Chopper0080]

So you haven’t heard anyone saying it, yet you know the story. Interesting.

But no. That is not correct. A lot of people are saying that his tape from the first 4,5 games before he was injured would have made him the #1.

Heard it from Danial Jerimiah, Dane Bugler and Steve Parazolla.

His tape against Akron, Western Michigan, Marshall, and Michigan State. Only one nfl level player in that group and Green didn’t matchup with Simmons much. It’s a projection of a projection. DJ has him 37 in his final 150. If Simmons was that good, he wouldn’t be so low.

 

[football karma]

I mean…neither would likely play in 2025 unless Jonah isn’t back. Simmons is recovering from a major leg injury and might not be able to start the season. Banks was projected at OG for some.

Punting 1st round picks who are already low ish upside players when your defense is awful and old, and you are chasing your first winning record in year 3 seems like a poor plan.

Monti has done very little to earn any benefit of doubt so far.

im with you on Simmons

but Banks is a very well regarded tackle prospect - and has been from the beginning of the season (meaning -- a large sample size). no issue with him at #16

 

[Chopper0080]

im with you on Simmons

but Banks is a very well regarded tackle prospect - and has been from the beginning of the season (meaning -- a large sample size). no issue with him at #16

4 holding calls and 3 false starts in 2024. Every start has been at LT. Drafting a guy just to move him to a position he has never played high level football at. Miss me with this.

 

[HairZach]

Daniel Jeremiah 2025 NFL mock draft 4.0: Broncos, Giants trade up; Steelers pick Shedeur Sanders

Daniel Jeremiah 4.0 is here. He thinks its Egbuka.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

How can people believe this and at the same time have faith in Monti?

Right? It’s such a disconnect.

 

[BACH]

His tape against Akron, Western Michigan, Marshall, and Michigan State. Only one nfl level player in that group and Green didn’t matchup with Simmons much. It’s a projection of a projection. DJ has him 37 in his final 150. If Simmons was that good, he wouldn’t be so low.

Yet, he stated that he would have been a top 5 if not for the injury.

Dude, the discussion is that you said no one had him high without the injury.

Plenty of expert said that. I gave you names. So your statement is false.

You can have all your own opinions on Simmons. That doesn’t change the fact that plenty of experts are saying it and your statement is wrong.

 

[BirdGangThing]

i don't care about the 5th year option - monti was going to pay a lot for fries - if you get a bonafide non injury prone starter at guard for four years you drafted great in the first round - if you pay the 5th you're not just paying the 5th it's still a 5 year contract with a lower annual salary lower than what we'd be paying fries level vets

im more worried about the next 4 years - this next year in particularly - monti needs to give murray the most solidest of protection before making the biggest decision of his career

im just saying - i don't think they care much either - about 5th year financial obligations should a guard meet or exceed expectations

 

[Chopper0080]

Yet, he stated that he would have been a top 5 if not for the injury.

Dude, the discussion is that you said no one had him high without the injury.

Plenty of expert said that. I gave you names. So your statement is false.

You can have all your own opinions on Simmons. That doesn’t change the fact that plenty of experts are saying it and your statement is wrong.

You aren’t listening. They said if he didn’t get injured he may have been a top tackle if he continued to improve. How does missing 6 games drop a player 30 draft spots if his game tape was great? Either he wasn’t that good based on the actual film or the injury comes with tremendous risk. Neither of those are good.

 

[Garthshort]

We are in a great place when it comes to evaluating Simmons. So, to me, it makes little sense for fans to argue about him. Assuming he's available when we pick, we can be pretty sure we will have done our due diligence on a yes or no vote.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I can’t wait for months of this board arguing over a rookie guard.

So much joy that’s going to bring to our little familia.

 

[BACH]

You aren’t listening. They said if he didn’t get injured he may have been a top tackle if he continued to improve. How does missing 6 games drop a player 30 draft spots if his game tape was great? Either he wasn’t that good based on the actual film or the injury comes with tremendous risk. Neither of those are good.

Nope. Listen to Dane Bugler’s OL break down or the cross over between Bugler and DJ.

They clearly state it

 

[Totally_Red]

We are in a great place when it comes to evaluating Simmons. So, to me, it makes little sense for fans to argue about him. Assuming he's available when we pick, we can be pretty sure we will have done our due diligence on a yes or no vote.

From what I've read he has all the tools to be great. The Cardinals have the luxury of redshirting him for a year.
That said, any of the 5 guys on Gambo's list seem to be high character coach able players. And I would be happy with any of them. Three of them could be available at 16.