Zac Allen and Byron Murphy are free agents

[ajcardfan]

But at $19 million?

At some point, you have to pay players. Some will be "overpaid". If the team is good, WHO CARES? There are no trophies for "cap management" or "best value contracts".

When it comes to the Broncos, Russell Wilson's cap hit next year is over 35 million and if they cut him his dead cap hit would be 85 million. The Broncos are cray-cray, but I do admire any team trying to go all in on a Super Bowl. They just made a bad bet on Wilson.

 

[juza76]

Zach Allen is a legit starter in the NFL - we need plenty of those! It's fun to try and make ourselves feel better about the current lack of talent on our D-line, but to compare a guy like Allen to Dimukeje or Ojulari as an overall player is surely a joke.

Zach Allen playing inside which make the comparison with them wrong
We didnt replace him so we didnt fill the void
Although i would have prefered a bigger above average defensive linemen in the middle instead of signing journeymen

 

[football karma]

the error was letting Allen get to the final year of his contract --

the team has a rare hit on a draft pick at an important position -- and you dont retain him. Ugh

 

[kerouac9]

the error was letting Allen get to the final year of his contract --

the team has a rare hit on a draft pick at an important position -- and you dont retain him. Ugh

It wasn't clear that the was a hit going into his final season.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Man, comparing edge players to IDL is a lot like comparing apples to oranges!

Imagine what Allen could do if he only had to worry about blockers on one side of him! Or not having to worry about competitive team football.

True.

However next year the Cardinals currently have a cap hit on following front 7 guys in 2024:

Dennis Gardeck $3.466M
Zaven Collins $4.464M
Kyzir White $6.750M
BJ Ojulari $1.954M
Cam Thomas $1.403M
Victor Dimukeje $1.095M
Roy Lopez $1.055M
Dante Stills $0.984M

That total comes to about $21M which is very close to the $19M Zach Allen will cost against the cap next season.

 

[kerouac9]

True.

However next year the Cardinals currently have a cap hit on following front 7 guys in 2024:

Dennis Gardeck $3.466M
Zaven Collins $4.464M
Kyzir White $6.750M
BJ Ojulari $1.954M
Cam Thomas $1.403M
Victor Dimukeje $1.095M
Roy Lopez $1.055M
Dante Stills $0.984M

That total comes to about $21M which is very close to the $19M Zach Allen will cost against the cap next season.

It's great that we can keep the core of one of the bottom five defenses in the league together for another year. At least we're saving Michael Bidwill some money!

And we'll be able to spend 120% of that $14 million on a free agent IDL this season.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Zach Allen playing inside which make the comparison with them wrong
We didnt replace him so we didnt fill the void
Although i would have prefered a bigger above average defensive linemen in the middle instead of signing journeymen

We lost our top two interior defensive linemen this past year, and did nothing to address D-line. The magical summer of 2024 will apparently fix all of our holes.

 

[MadCardDisease]

It's great that we can keep the core of one of the bottom five defenses in the league together for another year. At least we're saving Michael Bidwill some money!

And we'll be able to spend 120% of that $14 million on a free agent IDL this season.

Shoot I'd gladly take Dante Stills at <$1M over Zach Allen at $19M any day of the week. I don't see much difference between the two other than one costs 20X more than the other.

 

[SECTION 11]

Shoot I'd gladly take Dante Stills at <$1M over Zach Allen at $19M any day of the week. I don't see much difference between the two other than one costs 20X more than the other.

All day long.

 

[SECTION 11]

Are we revisiting how terrible of an idea paying Zach Allen $19m is?? Yes!!

 

[football karma]

It wasn't clear that the was a hit going into his final season.

yes -- but, GMs are paid millions of $ to make the correct projection. It also suggests he could have been extended for way less than the $15mm AAV he got

 

[kerouac9]

Shoot I'd gladly take Dante Stills at <$1M over Zach Allen at $19M any day of the week. I don't see much difference between the two other than one costs 20X more than the other.

Good news is that we didn't have to decide. We could've had both.

 

[TheCardFan]

Zach Allen has 19 pressures on the season. Top 40 of all players in the NFL. Deforest Buckner also has 19. Christian Wilkins has 20.

How many pressures for Stills?

 

[kerouac9]

yes -- but, GMs are paid millions of $ to make the correct projection. It also suggests he could have been extended for way less than the $15mm AAV he got

I'm shocked to discover that Steve Keim did a bad job as GM.

 

[kerouac9]

How many pressures for Stills?

Seven according to PFR.

 

[Dback Jon]

I'm shocked to discover that Steve Keim did a bad job as GM.

Took you long enough

 

[ajcardfan]

the error was letting Allen get to the final year of his contract --

the team has a rare hit on a draft pick at an important position -- and you dont retain him. Ugh

They have done this repeatedly and I hope it changes. Let's use Christian Kirk as another example. The time to extend is the next to last year of the rookie deal. That's when you get a better value contract. Not let them get to the end of their rookie deal, look around, and sure enough, there are teams who will pay them a lot more money and they are gone.

I am not arguing Allen, Murphy, Kirk are elite players. But they are sufficient and are still young. Put them back on the team right now and they are the best players at their positions.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

yes -- but, GMs are paid millions of $ to make the correct projection. It also suggests he could have been extended for way less than the $15mm AAV he got

And that GM was promoted to fan.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Man, comparing edge players to IDL is a lot like comparing apples to oranges!

Imagine what Allen could do if he only had to worry about blockers on one side of him! Or not having to worry about competitive team football.

Zach Allen's line/front 7 in Denver is multitudes better than here in AZ, and he isn't performing all that well.

I'm not sure what you are trying to say?

 

[kerouac9]

Zach Allen's line/front 7 in Denver is multitudes better than here in AZ, and he isn't performing all that well.

I'm not sure what you are trying to say?

Okay.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Okay.

Completely expected response.

 

[slanidrac16]

They have done this repeatedly and I hope it changes. Let's use Christian Kirk as another example. The time to extend is the next to last year of the rookie deal. That's when you get a better value contract. Not let them get to the end of their rookie deal, look around, and sure enough, there are teams who will pay them a lot more money and they are gone.

I am not arguing Allen, Murphy, Kirk are elite players. But they are sufficient and are still young. Put them back on the team right now and they are the best players at their positions.

I agree. It shouldn’t take good front office to evaluate a “good” player. I know rookie deals are a luxury but heading into a third year of a 4 year rookie deal nullifies the bargain price, extending that player will save a whole bunch down the road.

 

[Chopper0080]

How many pressures for Stills?

7

 

[Chopper0080]

Still has 7
Ojulari has 7
GArdeck 16
Ledbetter 5
Strong 6
Collins has 7

 

[Chopper0080]

Zach Allen's line/front 7 in Denver is multitudes better than here in AZ, and he isn't performing all that well.

I'm not sure what you are trying to say?

He seems like he is playing fine. On par with the top 40 defensive players in the NFL in pressuring the QB. And with tougher competition on his own roster according to you.