Zac Allen and Byron Murphy are free agents

[ASUCHRIS]

The silliness of ASFN is statements that these stat lines are basically the same for interior defensive line players.

6 hurries
7 QB knockdowns
5 sacks
20 pressures

and

2 hurries
1 QB knockdown
3.5 sacks
7 pressures

Copium.

 

[Chopper0080]

I just think Monti is adverse to spending high dollar on any player at any position. Besides Kyler.

It will be interesting to see who will be the first player they finally open the checkbook for - in the $15M plus range.

If he is that adverse, either he will be fired or we will just be the perpetual .500 NFL team.

Dude went full David Simms and just laid up in his first draft. That mentality will make it tough to find impact players in the draft.

 

[Chopper0080]

Every team in the NFL should be striving for an impact DT if they don’t already have one, lol.

I agree but I do feel like his disagreement is the core of the debate from his end. I completely understand why he didn't want to re-sign Zack Allen now.

 

[MadCardDisease]

I feel like this is better insight into your mentality on this matter. Basically, you don't value an impact DT/DL as much as you value EDGE/CB/WR. I disagree with that mentality, but your argument makes more sense.

I didn't word that properly. I have no problems with having an impact DT on the team. I just think the Cardinals have bigger needs this offseason and can find a solid DT for way cheaper. Shoot we don't even know if Monti will go after any Premium FAs? If Monti does go after a premium FA my guess is it would be from the three that I listed. When I say premium I'm thinking $20M plus per year.

 

[Stout]

I didn't word that properly. I have no problems with having an impact DT on the team. I just think the Cardinals have bigger needs this offseason and can find a solid DT for way cheaper. Shoot we don't even know if Monti will go after any Premium FAs? If Monti does go after a premium FA my guess is it would be from the three that I listed. When I say premium I'm thinking $20M plus per year.

I think DT is one of the bigger needs on the team and is arguably the biggest defensive need. Also, if EDGE is one of our top needs, Monti failed miserably with Ojulari.

 

[DVontel]

Monti failed miserably with Ojulari.

.....Or Keim failed with Collins.

 

[Chopper0080]

.....Or Keim failed with Collins.

...Or, yes.

 

[MadCardDisease]

I think DT is one of the bigger needs on the team and is arguably the biggest defensive need. Also, if EDGE is one of our top needs, Monti failed miserably with Ojulari.

You do need more than one Edge player. Finding another young stud to pair with Ojulari would be nice.

They will for sure add a DT/DE or two. Especially since JG likes to rotate his DL to keep them fresh. I think they will address the IDL through the draft with at least one pick.

The whole rotation thing is why I don't believe that the Cardinals will spend big on the DT position. At least for the Eagles, they typically haven't spent big on their IDL. Rarely do you see a cap hit for more than $10M per season on that roster.

 

[MadCardDisease]

.....Or Keim failed with Collins.

Collins is under contract for 2024. I wouldn't pick up his 5th year option. However I think he would be a good part of the rotation that I mention above.

 

[Chopper0080]

You do need more than one Edge player. Finding another young stud to pair with Ojulari would be nice.

They will for sure add a DT/DE or two. Especially since JG likes to rotate his DL to keep them fresh. I think they will address the IDL through the draft with at least one pick.

The whole rotation thing is why I don't believe that the Cardinals will spend big on the DT position. At least for the Eagles, they typically haven't spent big on their IDL. Rarely do you see a cap hit for more than $10M per season on that roster.

Fletcher Cox has been over 10 mil per year almost every year since 2018.

Hargrave's 3 year deal avg 13 mil.

Jordan Davis 13th overall

Jalen Carter 9th overall

 

[Chopper0080]

Plenty of significant investment into the DT spot by the Eagles despite their rotation of players.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

The silliness of ASFN is statements that these stat lines are basically the same for interior defensive line players.

6 hurries
7 QB knockdowns
5 sacks
20 pressures

and

2 hurries
1 QB knockdown
3.5 sacks
7 pressures

How about 714 vs 429? That closes the gap a pretty decent amount.

 

[kerouac9]

"Our 3-10 football team would not be better with an above-average player at the weakest position on the team" is such a bizarre take I can barely stand it. Even if he doesn't make the difference in a win (although maybe he could have against the Giants or Washington?), wouldn't it be better to have that guy under contract for 2024 and 2025 and use draft resources elsewhere?

 

[Chopper0080]

"Our 3-10 football team would not be better with an above-average player at the weakest position on the team" is such a bizarre take I can barely stand it. Even if he doesn't make the difference in a win (although maybe he could have against the Giants or Washington?), wouldn't it be better to have that guy under contract for 2024 and 2025 and use draft resources elsewhere?

I agree so much. It is such a weird stance to take.

 

[Chopper0080]

How about 714 vs 429? That closes the gap a pretty decent amount.

I don't understand

 

[Krangodnzr]

I think DT is one of the bigger needs on the team and is arguably the biggest defensive need. Also, if EDGE is one of our top needs, Monti failed miserably with Ojulari.

Agree on everything except the Ojulari comment.

DT is easily the biggest team need.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

I don't understand

Snap counts...basically opportunity. IMO, we have to look at opportunity as it relates to performance results.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Fletcher Cox has been over 10 mil per year almost every year since 2018.

Hargrave's 3 year deal avg 13 mil.

Jordan Davis 13th overall

Jalen Carter 9th overall

Yes Cox signed a huge deal back in 2016 with a different regime. Because of his contract they couldn't really do anything with it until 2022 where he was a cap causality. Then he was re-signed.

Hargrave a DT was signed in 2020 and his cap hit was as follows:
2020 $3.45M
2021 $5.79M
2022 $17M
Hargrave went to the Niners on a big contract in 2023

Jordan Davis DT
2022 $3M
2023 $3.8M
2024 $4.6M
2025 $4.6M

Jalen Carter DT
2023 $3.9M
2024 $4.9M
2025 $5.9M
2026 $6.9M

Josh Sweat DE
2021 $3M
2022 $3.6M
2023 $5.8M
2024 $9M

Brandon Graham DE
2020 $6.28M
2021 $8M
2022 $9M
2023 $10M
2024 $7.9M

Derek Barnnet DE
2020 $4M
2021 $3M
2022 $2.6M

So I'm speculating that JG may have a similar system where he rotates his DE/DTs but the contracts hit the cap at a reasonable amount. Hence a good collection of rookies on rookie deals and solid Vets in the $10M ish range.

 

[MadCardDisease]

"Our 3-10 football team would not be better with an above-average player at the weakest position on the team" is such a bizarre take I can barely stand it. Even if he doesn't make the difference in a win (although maybe he could have against the Giants or Washington?), wouldn't it be better to have that guy under contract for 2024 and 2025 and use draft resources elsewhere?

He is an average player making well above average money. His contract would take up almost a third of the Cardinals available cap space next season. It would be crazy to tie up that much money in an average player. Fortunately the Cardinals dodged that bullet and don't have to deal with that contract next season.

 

[kerouac9]

Yes Cox signed a huge deal back in 2016 with a different regime.

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Whatever you say, man.

 

[Stout]

You do need more than one Edge player. Finding another young stud to pair with Ojulari would be nice.

They will for sure add a DT/DE or two. Especially since JG likes to rotate his DL to keep them fresh. I think they will address the IDL through the draft with at least one pick.

The whole rotation thing is why I don't believe that the Cardinals will spend big on the DT position. At least for the Eagles, they typically haven't spent big on their IDL. Rarely do you see a cap hit for more than $10M per season on that roster.

They beat me to it on the Eagles DT. Also, with Ojulari, spending a high pick on an edge player, then having to spend either another high pick or MAJOR FA dollars on the same position when you have a roster with as many holes as we do is a bad roster rebuilding strategy.

 

[MadCardDisease]

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Whatever you say, man.

You know that I meant coaching staff.

 

[kerouac9]

You know that I meant coaching staff.

The coaching staff doesn't decide who gets paid what. The Eagles front office made their priorities pretty clear about how they allocate resources.

 

[Stout]

"Our 3-10 football team would not be better with an above-average player at the weakest position on the team" is such a bizarre take I can barely stand it. Even if he doesn't make the difference in a win (although maybe he could have against the Giants or Washington?), wouldn't it be better to have that guy under contract for 2024 and 2025 and use draft resources elsewhere?

C'mon, man. Defense wins games but Cap Space wins championships!

 

[Stout]

Agree on everything except the Ojulari comment.

DT is easily the biggest team need.

I wasn't saying we missed with Ojulari, but being forced to spend high draft capital or big FA dollars would signal the team feels they have missed with him, and that would be on Monti.