Final Guess At 53 (Pre-Waiver Wire & Trade Additions)

[Mitch]

QB (3): Palmer, Stanton, Gabbert

RB (4): D.Johnson, K. Williams, C. Johnson, Penny (STs)

WR (6): Fitzgerald, Jaron Brown, John Brown, Nelson, B. Golden (STs), C. Williams

TE (3): Gresham, Niklas, Momah

OL (9): Humphries, Iupati, Shipley, Boehn, Veldheer, Wetzel, Bergstrom, D. Johnson, Holden

DL (7): Rucker, Peters, Mauro, Nkemdiche, Gunter, Pierre, X. Williams

LB (9); Bucannon, Dansby, Reddick, Wright (STs), Bynes, M. Golden, C. Jones, Martin, Capi

CB (4): Peterson, Bethel, B. Williams, T. Williams

S (5): Mathieu, Branch, Bethea, Baker, Ford (STs)

ST (3): Brewer, Dawson, Wile

Added emphasis on STs.

Your guess is as good as mine, if not better. This is what I think BA & staff will do prior to waiver wire and trade acquisitions.

 

[Reign Blood]

Way to go out on a limb Mitch. Reading the title I would've assumed you were guessing on a new signing or trade.

 

[GuernseyCard]

Keep in mind, that if they want to designate Logan as IR with option to return, he has to on the 53. Any player designated IR today is out for the season.

CJ2K & Scobby are gone.

 

[gmabel830]

Keep in mind, that if they want to designate Logan as IR with option to return, he has to on the 53. Any player designated IR today is out for the season.

CJ2K & Scobby are gone.

This is not correct.. players on IR don't count on the 53, and there is no more designated to return option. Any 2 players on IR can return (there are rules about when though).

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[WindCardinal]

Well now that there's been leaks - Replace Johnson with Ellington, Bergstrom with Toner, and Wright with Jarvis Jones or Wheeler

 

[GuernseyCard]

This is not correct.. players on IR don't count on the 53, and there is no more designated to return option. Any 2 players on IR can return (there are rules about when though).

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Nope. Any player placed on IR today is gone for the season. This is a stipulation to insure that teams are not in fact reducing to 54 or 55, by using the return provision. You can bet Logan will be on the 53 at 4pm ET and then placed on IR come Sunday or Monday.

 

[WindCardinal]

Predicting the game day inactives

QB Gabbert
RB Ellington
WR C. Williams
OL D. Johnson
OL W. Holden
LB Capi
S Ford

 

[Shane]

Predicting the game day inactives

QB Gabbert
RB Ellington
WR C. Williams
OL D. Johnson
OL W. Holden
LB Capi
S Ford

No way is Ellington inactive...

 

[gmabel830]

Nope. Any player placed on IR today is gone for the season. This is a stipulation to insure that teams are not in fact reducing to 54 or 55, by using the return provision. You can bet Logan will be on the 53 at 4pm ET and then placed on IR come Sunday or Monday.

Oops, I misunderstood you. I thought you meant that in general Logan needed to be kept on the 53. I am not sure how the rule you are describing works, but I will take your word for it. Basically, someone we cut today could be back on the roster on Monday then.

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[GuernseyCard]

Oops, I misunderstood you. I thought you meant that in general Logan needed to be kept on the 53. I am not sure how the rule you are describing works, but I will take your word for it. Basically, someone we cut today could be back on the roster on Monday then.

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My point is that anyone you designate as IR (with the possibility of return) has to first be on the 53 man roster.

 

[gmabel830]

My point is that anyone you designate as IR (with the possibility of return) has to first be on the 53 man roster.

Ok, and immediately after he makes the initial 53 they will put him on IR and bring someone back or sign someone new. Really just semantics at the end of the day, he is going to IR.

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[GuernseyCard]

Ok, and immediately after he makes the initial 53 they will put him on IR and bring someone back or sign someone new. Really just semantics at the end of the day, he is going to IR.

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I think we understand each other, but the League doesn't see the issue as simply semantics given how it could be manipulated without the rule.

 

[gmabel830]

I think we understand each other, but the League doesn't see the issue as simply semantics given how it could be manipulated without the rule.

I get it.. you could IR some rookies you don't intend to play early, or someone like Jarvis Jones could have been IR'd. The rule makes some sense.

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[Garthshort]

Mitch, you only missed on five. Pretty damn good. When Logan goes on IR, I'm hoping we can bring back Capi.

 

[WisconsinCard]

Mitch, you only missed on five. Pretty damn good. When Logan goes on IR, I'm hoping we can bring back Capi.

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[Mitch]

Mitch, you only missed on five. Pretty damn good. When Logan goes on IR, I'm hoping we can bring back Capi.

Garth, with Capi it wasn't just how well he played, it's how he took command of every aspect of the 34 OLB position. About as textbook as I have seen from a Cardinals' backup OLB. BA kept saying "Yeah, Cap played well against the guys he was playing against, but can he do it versus the ones (starters)?" Kind of a moot point if the coaches never played him versus the ones in any of the games, isn't it? One could tell then and there that BA's question was rhetorical. They already made up their minds that Capi wasn't a keeper. He may have never had a chance.

I too am hoping for Capi...on a defense that lacks tacklers, he was a bright light. I thought Philip Wheeler looked out of shape and late on his reads and didn't finish his tackles...yet he makes the roster over a guy who left everything he had out on the field? More disturbing double standards, imo.

 

[Shane]

Garth, with Capi it wasn't just how well he played, it's how he took command of every aspect of the 34 OLB position. About as textbook as I have seen from a backup OLB. BA kept saying "Yeah, Cap played well against the guys he was playing against, but can he do it versus the ones (starters)?" Kind of a moot point if the coaches never played him versus the ones in any of the games, isn't it?

I too am hoping for Capi...on a defense that lacks tacklers, he was a bright light. I thought Philip Wheeler looked out of shape and late on his reads and didn't finish his tackles...yet he makes it? More disturbing double standards, imo.

Phillip Wheeler has been in the league 10 years and has 6 sacks.. Ide rather give the new guy a chance..

 

[Garthshort]

I will say that BASK has a much better feel for the roster than we do, and hope in time it will become clear. All I know is that Capi seemed to improve as the PS went on.

Kent Somers says the coaches weren't as high on him as us fans. My question to Kent, and other media guys, "What do you think?"

 

[Cardiac]

Garth, with Capi it wasn't just how well he played, it's how he took command of every aspect of the 34 OLB position. About as textbook as I have seen from a Cardinals' backup OLB. BA kept saying "Yeah, Cap played well against the guys he was playing against, but can he do it versus the ones (starters)?" Kind of a moot point if the coaches never played him versus the ones in any of the games, isn't it? One could tell then and there that BA's question was rhetorical. They already made up their minds that Capi wasn't a keeper. He may have never had a chance.

I too am hoping for Capi...on a defense that lacks tacklers, he was a bright light. I thought Philip Wheeler looked out of shape and late on his reads and didn't finish his tackles...yet he makes the roster over a guy who left everything he had out on the field? More disturbing double standards, imo.

Hey Mitch, just because you don't agree with BASK on a players ability doesn't equate to double standards. We all see things through a different lense. Why would BA have more loyalty to Wheeler he they just grabbed this offseason and not Capi who has been with the team for over a year?

To be clear, I liked what I saw from Capi and on top of that it makes me nervous only having 3 OLB's on the roster at this time.

 

[Mitch]

I will say that BASK has a much better feel for the roster than we do, and hope in time it will become clear. All I know is that Capi seemed to improve as the PS went on.

Kent Somers says the coaches weren't as high on him as us fans. My question to Kent, and other media guys, "What do you think?"

The Cardinals' beat reporters seem to always act like they know way more than the fans. Not only was Capi a hit with the fans, because he was a true baller out there, he earned the highest defensive grade on the team in like 3 of the games, per PFF. It wasn't a fricking mirage. Even the Broncos' announcers kept saying that Capi was one of the very few Cardinals who played with passion and purpose and looked like he gave a dang. The Falcons' announcers were talking cap up handsomely too, as well they should have.

The problem with the Cardinals' beat reporters too is that aside from Bickley, all of them are homers. They never challenge the coaching, even in press conferences. This is why BA has them eating out of the palm of his hand. It's La La Land for BA media-wise in Arizona. If this was NY or Philly BA would be put to the test. In NY he's be asked, "well why then didn't you try him at least once or twice in the games with the ones?" He's dominating against the 2's and 3's...so why not try him versus the ones?

 

[Russ Smith]

Garth, with Capi it wasn't just how well he played, it's how he took command of every aspect of the 34 OLB position. About as textbook as I have seen from a Cardinals' backup OLB. BA kept saying "Yeah, Cap played well against the guys he was playing against, but can he do it versus the ones (starters)?" Kind of a moot point if the coaches never played him versus the ones in any of the games, isn't it? One could tell then and there that BA's question was rhetorical. They already made up their minds that Capi wasn't a keeper. He may have never had a chance.

I too am hoping for Capi...on a defense that lacks tacklers, he was a bright light. I thought Philip Wheeler looked out of shape and late on his reads and didn't finish his tackles...yet he makes the roster over a guy who left everything he had out on the field? More disturbing double standards, imo.

It's usually because they see stuff in practice we don't see that brings them to that conclusion. I'm blanking on the name but there was a DL a few years ago, Wolfley talked about him here several times when he was posting here. The book on the guy was he was a "guesser"on the snap count and he could look terrific in situations where the QB didn't bother to change the snap count.

Sure enough he made the roster, was offsides several times when he played and basically disappeared after that. It was very apparent that the entire reason he looked good in practice and in the preseason was they don't bother to vary the snap count much so he got an extra step off the ball and when the real games started and that extra step went away, he was not very good.

Capi is of course a LB not a DL but it's probably something similar where the coaches this time get that part of why he's looking good will go away when the real games start.

He's been close on a few NFL teams so he obviously has talent but there's also clearly something that keeps him from making the rosters.

 

[Mitch]

Hey Mitch, just because you don't agree with BASK on a players ability doesn't equate to double standards. We all see things through a different lense. Why would BA have more loyalty to Wheeler he they just grabbed this offseason and not Capi who has been with the team for over a year?

To be clear, I liked what I saw from Capi and on top of that it makes me nervous only having 3 OLB's on the roster at this time.

I totally understand your point about seeing things through different lenses...BA has been saying for weeks now that Cap played well, but it was against 2nd and 3rd stringers...like he needs to offer a caveat in his appraisal of one the only true tacklers on the entire roster? This is why BA keeps a guy like Ellington. To cut CJ over Ellington is a joke. Pure and simple. These are double standards when they are so plain to see. And this exactly why players under BA know they can dog it and duck away from contact and still have jobs.

 

[Cardiac]

I totally understand your point about seeing things through different lenses...BA has been saying for weeks now that Cap played well, but it was against 2nd and 3rd stringers...like he needs to offer a caveat in his appraisal of one the only true tacklers on the entire roster? This is why BA keeps a guy like Ellington. To cut CJ over Ellington is a joke. Pure and simple. These are double standards when they are so plain to see. And this exactly why players under BA know they can dog it and duck away from contact and still have jobs.

I simply disagree with your take. You don't like some of BA's "style" so you see stuff that I don't. It's all good because this year will be very telling on how good a coach BA is IMO. Another winning season and playoffs and we will have our answer. A second losing season and it would point to BA's style not working in the long term which I think is your point.

 

[DVontel]

I totally understand your point about seeing things through different lenses...BA has been saying for weeks now that Cap played well, but it was against 2nd and 3rd stringers...like he needs to offer a caveat in his appraisal of one the only true tacklers on the entire roster? This is why BA keeps a guy like Ellington. To cut CJ over Ellington is a joke. Pure and simple. These are double standards when they are so plain to see. And this exactly why players under BA know they can dog it and duck away from contact and still have jobs.

How is cutting a guy that's pretty much washed up at the tail end of his career over a guy who is pretty much washed up himself, but at least offers something in the passing game a "joke"?

 

[Redneck Voodoo]

I hate PS! Nothing is never as it seems. But I guess it at least gives us something to talk about.
Let's get this party started, already.