This is why I don't get why we need to make this a KD vs Book thing. To me this is an "AND" thing. Keep in mind Devin Booker had 178 total turnovers all last season. He is at 176 with 23 games to go. He is on pace to get around the same number of assists or less but will have more turnovers.
It's not just a Durant thing though. It's a Booker thing too. He is on pace to have the most turnovers in his career since the 2019-2020 season. He makes up almost an equal proportion of total turnovers.
Players who touch the ball more are going to have more turnovers. So, that doesn't tell the entire story. Because we know turnovers has been a thing, regardless of how many assists he has, it's still just as detrimental to the teams success. Team wins related to team turnovers doesn't lie. Book is on a terrible TO pace and will likely finish with around the same number of assists as last season. Meaning less efficient when all is said and done.
That disingenuous. First off, Book and KD have two completely different roles. Book's job when he plays Point Book is to get guys the ball. KD does that some but that's not his job. At his position there are only 5 other players that pass better than KD. You are correct there is a ton that goes into winning and losing but one thing in the league that is constant is teams that turn the ball over a ton doesn't translate into a ton of success.
Huh? I said at his position. Only 5 Power Forwards pass better than he does. I looked at turnovers and pointed them out earlier in the discussion. I pointed out they both have a turnover problem that contributes to losses. So, no I have not ignored anything. I am calling them both out for contributing to one of the issues we see with this team. Only one of us is trying to give one of them a pass. I am calling them both out.
Wanting to hold them both accountable is digging my heals in? OK. I will gladly take that. I don't know why you don't want to hold both accountable for their shortcomings. That's you digging your heals in. I didn't make this a Book vs Durant thing. You did.
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Yes, I named them both of off Birds first post where he pointed out they accounted for most of the teams turnovers but didn't have the status in front of him. I didn't pit then AGAINST each other, I was pointing how how they both contribute and that he was right (providing supporting stats). Saying they both contribute is not the same thing as saying Player X is responsible but Player Y is not.Huh...
I started off quoting this post... by you...
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suns had 14 turnovers last night kd had 5 book had 3 oneale had 2 bench these mother don't give a funkers dunn had 0 turnovers - gillespie had 0 turnovers oso had 1 turnover but was also a +2 on the +/- richards had 1 turnover but was a +3 book was a -13 kd was a -12 beal was a -12 if the...
Saying that Booker needs to be "held accountable" for a stat that he is one of the best in the NBA at his position... is a take that I simply disagree with, especially in comparison to Durant, who is unequivocally terrible in the same category.
Yes, I named them both of off Birds first post where he pointed out they accounted for most of the teams turnovers but didn't have the status in front of him. I didn't pit then AGAINST each other, I was pointing how how they both contribute.
P.S. They are both 3rd worst at their respective positions in turnover ratio too.
Which Shooting Guard Has The Worst Turnover Ratio | StatMuse
Anthony Edwards has the most turnovers by a shooting guard this season with 217 turnovers.www.statmuse.com
Which Power Forward Has The Worst Turnover Ratio | StatMuse
Jayson Tatum has the most turnovers by a power forward this season with 186 turnovers.
Go for it. It doesn't change anything or a single stat that makes either of them look bad. Not one.
Beal isn't a big anything at this point, other than albatross. It's not just his availability, he's not that great of a player anymore. He's a 15-20M player making 60. Before we acquired him, he was at a near all star level. He's nowhere close to that anymore.
Sure if you cherry pick a stat but plenty of the others posted above show them both bad in certain areas. Again, it's not about saying they are 50/50 and splitting hairs. It's about saying they both contribute to areas we are not good at.
They are all benchmarks. So, none of the other status count because you say so. LOL.
No those number COMBINED 3 point % and 3 pointers made tell a more complete picture. Just like when looking at status you have to COMBINE what they tell you for a more complete picture. Most stats sites do not rely on Turnover/Ration alone. Not one of the stat sites puts that value above the rest. Hell even Hollinger doesn't put much stock in any single stats including his own custom ratios. Show me a site that says that's a be all end all stat.
