Murray and Leadership

[Harry]

The Arizona Sports Cards Insider has taken on the issue of Murray’s leadership abilities. They correctly point out that numerous writers are still harping on the old theme that Murray is not a true leader. To their credit the article does a good job of quoting current players who support Murray. It also credits the new administration with supporting Murray in this respect. All of that is correct.

However, I think they missed the biggest reason there was an issue to begin with: Kliff Kingsbury. I don’t think he wanted a leader. I think he is like one of the dominating parents who wants to live their life vicariously through their kids. He didn’t want a QB who thought for himself. The virtual lack of audibles indicates to me that Kingsbury pressured Murray to run the plays he called. Murray was allowed to sit by himself between drives rather than having a coach with a tablet showing Murray what he was facing. It wasn’t important. Kingsbury would decide on any game-plan adjustments. Murray’s job was to throw the ball or run for his life. He was not expected to manage the game. I think the vast majority of game-plan faults laid with Murray’s failure to execute.

I hardly ever recall Kingsbury speaking with Murray on the sideline to inquire what Murray was seeing or even to encourage him. Murray was simply a weapon, not a director of action. Growing Murray’s ability to manage a game was not a role Kingsbury felt required to fulfill. Murray’s function was mechanical.

I admit I was critical of Murray’s leadership in his early years. Since then I have re-examined his situation and concluded he was in a no-win scenario. I’m not certain how Kingsbury will fare in his new role. I am, however, convinced the Cards’ staff has bought into Murray’s ability to lead. From the players’ reaction I also think Murray will adequately fulfill that aspect of his role. This is a new era for Arizona and I think the team will take a major step forward not only this season but for several years to come.

 

[Cardsfaninlouky]

Murray sat by himself a lot, however, I saw KK talking to him many times on the bench, can't recall one single time seeing the 2 looking at a tablet. I think you're spot on about running the play or make something happen with your feet. I think Murray grew in the leadership role last season, can't wait to see his growth this coming season.

 

[SECTION 11]

I have no problem at all with his leadership. Zero.

 

[kerouac9]

The virtual lack of audibles indicates to me that Kingsbury pressured Murray to run the plays he called. Murray was allowed to sit by himself between drives rather than having a coach with a tablet showing Murray what he was facing.

This is hilariously non-factual.

Character is revealed during times of stress. Kliff was a terrible leader, and so was Keim. I believe Kyler understood that and chose not to invest in fixing it.

Easy for Kyler to be loose when expectations are zero. The whole topic is overblown probably. I’m more interested in whether Kyler Murray is able to take advantage of the weapons he’s been surrounded with.

 

[CardNots]

I am flushing the memories of KK.

He was a one of many loser coaches this team has had over the years. Not the worst I have seen but certainly forgettable…

 

[BullheadCardFan]

Character is revealed during times of stress.

100% true

Kliff was a terrible leader, and so was Keim.

Totally agree

I’m more interested in whether Kyler Murray is able to take advantage of the weapons he’s been surrounded with.

This

 

[Harry]

This is hilariously non-factual.

Character is revealed during times of stress. Kliff was a terrible leader, and so was Keim. I believe Kyler understood that and chose not to invest in fixing it.

Easy for Kyler to be loose when expectations are zero. The whole topic is overblown probably. I’m more interested in whether Kyler Murray is able to take advantage of the weapons he’s been surrounded with.

Just so I’m clear on this, you saw coaches sit with Murray and use a tablet to review what was transpiring on the field.

 

[ajcardfan]

The Arizona Sports Cards Insider has taken on the issue of Murray’s leadership abilities. They correctly point out that numerous writers are still harping on the old theme that Murray is not a true leader. To their credit the article does a good job of quoting current players who support Murray. It also credits the new administration with supporting Murray in this respect. All of that is correct.

However, I think they missed the biggest reason there was an issue to begin with: Kliff Kingsbury. I don’t think he wanted a leader. I think he is like one of the dominating parents who wants to live their life vicariously through their kids. He didn’t want a QB who thought for himself. The virtual lack of audibles indicates to me that Kingsbury pressured Murray to run the plays he called. Murray was allowed to sit by himself between drives rather than having a coach with a tablet showing Murray what he was facing. It wasn’t important. Kingsbury would decide on any game-plan adjustments. Murray’s job was to throw the ball or run for his life. He was not expected to manage the game. I think the vast majority of game-plan faults laid with Murray’s failure to execute.

I hardly ever recall Kingsbury speaking with Murray on the sideline to inquire what Murray was seeing or even to encourage him. Murray was simply a weapon, not a director of action. Growing Murray’s ability to manage a game was not a role Kingsbury felt required to fulfill. Murray’s function was mechanical.

I admit I was critical of Murray’s leadership in his early years. Since then I have re-examined his situation and concluded he was in a no-win scenario. I’m not certain how Kingsbury will fare in his new role. I am, however, convinced the Cards’ staff has bought into Murray’s ability to lead. From the players’ reaction I also think Murray will adequately fulfill that aspect of his role. This is a new era for Arizona and I think the team will take a major step forward not only this season but for several years to come.

What article are you referring to?

 

[bankybruce]

Just so I’m clear on this, you saw coaches sit with Murray and use a tablet to review what was transpiring on the field.

Yes, I saw Cam Turner and his green hat quite often with Kyler. He seemed to the the only coach who spent time with him, but the was the QB coach and passing game coordinator.

 

[CardNots]

Bottom line, I liked what I saw from Kyler last year under our new coaching staff showing the leadership I had not seen in the previous couple of years.

I have never been a Kyler fan and never thought he was the type of QB we needed.

My thoughts on Kyler have changed based on last year’s gutty performance.

It could be maturity or the needed coaching change but he looks focused.

Now I think he is perfect for this team.

 

[ajcardfan]

Yes, I saw Cam Turner and his green hat quite often with Kyler. He seemed to the the only coach who spent time with him, but the was thr QB coach and passing game coordinator.

Yeah, I don't get the coaches never talking to him or him never looking at a tablet. It's not like I was taking notes but that did happen his entire career.

 

[ajcardfan]

Bottom line, I liked what I saw from Kyler last year under our new coaching staff showed the leadership I had not seen in the previous couple of years.

I have never been a Kyler fan and never thought he was the type of QB we needed.

My thoughts on Kyler have changed based on last year’s gutty performance.

It could be maturity or the needed coaching change but he looks focused.

Now I think he is perfect for this team.

I think everything we have seen and heard about this off season is what we have always wanted to hear about Kyler. I think that final drive to beat Philly was huge for his confidence, the coaches confidence, and his teammates belief in Kyler.

 

[kerouac9]

Just so I’m clear on this, you saw coaches sit with Murray and use a tablet to review what was transpiring on the field.

Absolutely. Often. Gimme a break here.

It wasn’t Kliff, because his job was head coach. It was Norv Turner’s boy.

 

[kerouac9]

My thoughts on Kyler have changed based on last year’s gutty performance.

Huh? 3-5 is a gutty performance? With zero expectations?

 

[AZCB34]

All Kliff and no Kyler. The apologist beat goes on. Cmon, Kyler got coaching during the week and during games. Perhaps it was flawed coaching but he got coaching. He’s a flawed QB too. Every one here is hopeful a big step forward will be made but let’s not try and wash away history as it truly was.

 

[DVontel]

Perhaps it was flawed coaching but he got coaching.

Man, this is such a hilarious sentence.

“Hey, I got this Rolex watch. Never mind the fact I stole it, but hey at least I got it!”

 

[CardNots]

Huh? 3-5 is a gutty performance? With zero expectations?

Talent deficient team
Coming off major injury
New coaching staff
New offense
Pathetic left guard play
Inexperienced center
Rookie at right tackle
Rookie at receiver
Basically rookie at TE
Lack of #1 receiver

Yes, gutty performance.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

All Kliff and no Kyler. The apologist beat goes on. Cmon, Kyler got coaching during the week and during games. Perhaps it was flawed coaching but he got coaching. He’s a flawed QB too. Every one here is hopeful a big step forward will be made but let’s not try and wash away history as it truly was.

It wasn't just the coaching. It was the lack of leadership by KK, with an assist to the toxic culture created by SK.

I'm not saying being an effective leader is easy. In fact I think it's pretty hard to inspire 20+ year old men to be the best they can be. But Kingsbury inspired nobody, ever. I'm not saying he's stupid. I'm not saying he's a bad guy. I'm saying guys don't want to play hard for him. They don't believe in him.

 

[TRW]

I think Kyler's "leadership" would be lauded more if he can hit a deep pass once in a while. Just my humble opinion.

 

[Redsz]

I have been pleasantly surprised by what Kyler has demonstrated since returning from injury.

He seems focused and in tune with the teams coaching staff. He is working his butt off based on sound bites from his team mates, etc.

However, while all the vibes are positive so far, that does not necessarily demonstrate leadership. Still a long way to go.

 

[Redsz]

This is hilariously non-factual.

Character is revealed during times of stress. Kliff was a terrible leader, and so was Keim. I believe Kyler understood that and chose not to invest in fixing it.

Easy for Kyler to be loose when expectations are zero. The whole topic is overblown probably. I’m more interested in whether Kyler Murray is able to take advantage of the weapons he’s been surrounded with.

Agree. This will be Kylers best chance to succeed in a long time. The team has been built to maximise his abilities and take pressure off of him to win every game with hero ball.

 

[Cardsfan77]

Huh? 3-5 is a gutty performance? With zero expectations?

4-4 technically let’s be real

 

[Chris_Sanders]

The Arizona Sports Cards Insider has taken on the issue of Murray’s leadership abilities. They correctly point out that numerous writers are still harping on the old theme that Murray is not a true leader. To their credit the article does a good job of quoting current players who support Murray. It also credits the new administration with supporting Murray in this respect. All of that is correct.

However, I think they missed the biggest reason there was an issue to begin with: Kliff Kingsbury. I don’t think he wanted a leader. I think he is like one of the dominating parents who wants to live their life vicariously through their kids. He didn’t want a QB who thought for himself. The virtual lack of audibles indicates to me that Kingsbury pressured Murray to run the plays he called. Murray was allowed to sit by himself between drives rather than having a coach with a tablet showing Murray what he was facing. It wasn’t important. Kingsbury would decide on any game-plan adjustments. Murray’s job was to throw the ball or run for his life. He was not expected to manage the game. I think the vast majority of game-plan faults laid with Murray’s failure to execute.

I hardly ever recall Kingsbury speaking with Murray on the sideline to inquire what Murray was seeing or even to encourage him. Murray was simply a weapon, not a director of action. Growing Murray’s ability to manage a game was not a role Kingsbury felt required to fulfill. Murray’s function was mechanical.

I admit I was critical of Murray’s leadership in his early years. Since then I have re-examined his situation and concluded he was in a no-win scenario. I’m not certain how Kingsbury will fare in his new role. I am, however, convinced the Cards’ staff has bought into Murray’s ability to lead. From the players’ reaction I also think Murray will adequately fulfill that aspect of his role. This is a new era for Arizona and I think the team will take a major step forward not only this season but for several years to come.

You can reinforce this point by the extremely limited route trees receivers ran along with the lack of motion.

Guys were put in very restrictive roles. You are the X receiver and you only run these routes.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

4-4 technically let’s be real

Prater somehow still got us MHJr

 

[oaken1]

Narratives change.
Couple years back Kyler was being hated on because he and his backup were reviewing film on a tablet with their coach instead of running out on the field when a defender got injured.

Apparently now, that never happened...because kyler and his coach never looked at a tablet on the sidelines...


This damned Mandela affect really been screwing with me lately