Suns @ Timberwolves Sunday game thread, November 17th, 2024

[Yuma]

The refs in the NBA have been really bad this week. There's no way Okogie wanted to flop on that.

 

[GatorAZ]

That’s a flop by Okogie. Suns choked on their final possession but that was a quality performance nonetheless.

 

[95pro]

A lot of crap calls.

Book played with a lot of bounce, something that has been lacking all up to todays game.

 

[Yuma]

That’s a flop by Okogie. Suns choked on their final possession but that was a quality performance nonetheless.

I think they just fizzled down the stretch after so many minutes. Tyson makes that last floater he shot, we probably win.

 

[95pro]

I’m not liking bud lately. He’s seems to be making less and less adjustments as we progress throughout the young season. I understand we are short handed.

I really wish he would sub in some defense for cases like that. Or even use Bol to block the pass.

 

[95pro]

Please tell me that last sequence of two missed shots by Booker (you know, the missed three and the quick rebound of it) wasn't a reversion to hero-ball. I would be incredibly disappointed in him; I would conclude that he's as much a bonehead as Amare Stoudemire, and that he learns nothing no matter how many games he ruins with hero-ball.

Book is not to blame today.

 

[Carolinacacti]

Grayson is glad I talked about him earlier. Players like to prove you are wrong.

I take full credit for Book going off today. Talk smack about the players and they bite you in the ass

 

[Mainstreet]

I take full credit for Book going off today. Talk smack about the players and they bite you in the ass

Why not. I took credit for Grayson Allen having a good game. The Suns should have gotten him the ball late.

 

[1tinsoldier]

Please tell me that last sequence of two missed shots by Booker (you know, the missed three and the quick rebound of it) wasn't a reversion to hero-ball. I would be incredibly disappointed in him; I would conclude that he's as much a bonehead as Amare Stoudemire, and that he learns nothing no matter how many games he ruins with hero-ball.

yes, and, like Amare, what Booker needs is a ticket to NY where he will thrill them for a few years and not win anything - instead of it being us for a full 60 years.

this game was a perfect case in point.
Booker was hot and the team played with confidence (when he's not, they typically don't)
but again, they blew it in the last 3 minutes playing Booker ball.
again, and again, he takes a wild 3pt shot when we only need 1 to win.

i don't care so much when his shot is off. i care that his head is consistently off in crunch time.
we were #1 in closing games under CP3's leadership and #1 this season with Durant leading close-outs
and we were historically last in closeouts last season when it was "Booker's team" and he was playing point

apparently, coach's haven't got the guts to call the shots. The color-analyst pointed out that we played 2 man ball with Booker the last 7 plays despite moving the ball well and scoring before that.

there will surely be post's complaining that anyone could criticize our "home-grown" star after carrying the team on his back to a near victory with 44 points. If they haven't learned from last season and the end of the prior season, they'll learn this season.

it doesn't really matter who scores and how many. It's about results. Amare's nickname was "Stat" and Booker is another stat guy who you will never see hoist up the ball from half-court at the end of quarters. I'd trade him today for Jalen Brunson if the Knicks would take the deal.

 

[Superbone]

Such BS Minn is able to foul without calls and they are calling every nonsense on us…

Ball game!

 

[BirdGangThing]

Why not. I took credit for Grayson Allen having a good game. The Suns should have gotten him the ball late.

then how much crap must i speak about nurk? because ive been doing my part

 

[Mainstreet]

then how much crap must i speak about nurk? because ive been doing my part

You'd have to be a magician to get Nurkic to go off.

 

[Germz249]

I feel sick..

 

[Hoop Head]

That’s a flop by Okogie. Suns choked on their final possession but that was a quality performance nonetheless.

I saw the writing on the wall here. Before bad calls were being made, some started blaming the refs. It was a good game that we were lucky to have led as long as we did. If wasn't the refs that cost the Suns. It was lack interior defense as a whole and no one else stepping up when it mattered, on either side.

 

[TigToad]

I'm hoping you are right.

Half right.

 

[Hoop Head]

I’m not liking bud lately. He’s seems to be making less and less adjustments as we progress throughout the young season. I understand we are short handed.

I really wish he would sub in some defense for cases like that. Or even use Bol to block the pass.

I don't see what adjustments he could try outside of Bol² and tonight wasn't the time to cart him out with the game on the line. Monte Morris has seen more time, and has produced. Damien Lee has gotten some run and hasnt produced. You don't throw mud at the wall in the 4th quarter of a close game. No one was injured or fouled out. Oso saw more time because Bud adjusted.

This roster doesn't have the pieces for large adjustments. Plumlee and Nurk are pretty much redundant. Oso isn't a shooter and not a true C so his minutes will largely be matchup dependent. Bol² isn't some untapped talent waiting to explode. At best he's a 9th or 10th man. He needs to be in the game plan from the start. We don't see practice but I don't imagine he's lit anyone up since he's still glued to the bench.

Bud makes a lot of offense for defense and vice versa subs in game, especially the 4th. I don't recall a coach doing as much tinkering as he has. If anything I think he has a tendency to over adjust.

 

[Mainstreet]

I feel sick..

At least you have lots of company.

 

[Hoop Head]

Please tell me that last sequence of two missed shots by Booker (you know, the missed three and the quick rebound of it) wasn't a reversion to hero-ball. I would be incredibly disappointed in him; I would conclude that he's as much a bonehead as Amare Stoudemire, and that he learns nothing no matter how many games he ruins with hero-ball.

Booker wasn't playing "hero ball" but clearly you don't need to watch a game to define his play that way and critique him for doing something no one who watched objectively would say he was doing. Our resident Booker hater co-signing your take is far from objective.

 

[Hoop Head]

I feel sick..

Waffle House will do that to most

 

[Mainstreet]

I don't see what adjustments he could try outside of Bol² and tonight wasn't the time to cart him out with the game on the line. Monte Morris has seen more time, and has produced. Damien Lee has gotten some run and hasnt produced. You don't throw mud at the wall in the 4th quarter of a close game. No one was injured or fouled out. Oso saw more time because Bud adjusted.

This roster doesn't have the pieces for large adjustments. Plumlee and Nurk are pretty much redundant. Oso isn't a shooter and not a true C so his minutes will largely be matchup dependent. Bol² isn't some untapped talent waiting to explode. At best he's a 9th or 10th man. He needs to be in the game plan from the start. We don't see practice but I don't imagine he's lit anyone up since he's still glued to the bench.

Bud makes a lot of offense for defense and vice versa subs in game, especially the 4th. I don't recall a coach doing as much tinkering as he has. If anything I think he has a tendency to over adjust.

I'm waiting to see what the Suns final roster looks like, because right now, the Suns don't have the pieces to make a championship run.

I can live with Nurkic and Plumlee, if the Suns could add a rotation 4/5. I'm not sure if it has to be a special player. They need someone with a defensive mentality in the middle.

However, even then, I'm not sure if the team has the killer instinct they need, although they have enough talent.

 

[Hoop Head]

I'm waiting to see what the Suns final roster looks like, because right now, the Suns don't have the pieces to make a championship run.

I can live with Nurkic and Plumlee, if the Suns could add a rotation 4/5. I'm not sure if it has to be a special player. They need someone with a defensive mentality in the middle.

However, even then, I'm not sure if the team has the killer instinct they need, although they have enough talent.

I don't think there's anyone in free agency we can add right now to fill the hole for a legit run. I won't be surprised if we see some movement December 15th, or whenever the date passes that allow recently signed players to be moved. We have too many redundancies at SG and SF. We need a PF who can play some C badly.

 

[Mainstreet]

I don't think there's anyone in free agency we can add right now to fill the hole for a legit run. I won't be surprised if we see some movement December 15th, or whenever the date passes that allow recently signed players to be moved. We have too many redundancies at SG and SF. We need a PF who can play some C badly.

Although they are centers, the Suns could use a healthy Robert William III or Ivica Zubac in the middle. Bobby Ports would be a fit at power forward. I'd even kick the tires on Rachaun Holmes. There must be a number of players I'm missing.

They need a player with some grit.

 

[Superbone]

I don't see what adjustments he could try outside of Bol² and tonight wasn't the time to cart him out with the game on the line. Monte Morris has seen more time, and has produced. Damien Lee has gotten some run and hasnt produced. You don't throw mud at the wall in the 4th quarter of a close game. No one was injured or fouled out. Oso saw more time because Bud adjusted.

This roster doesn't have the pieces for large adjustments. Plumlee and Nurk are pretty much redundant. Oso isn't a shooter and not a true C so his minutes will largely be matchup dependent. Bol² isn't some untapped talent waiting to explode. At best he's a 9th or 10th man. He needs to be in the game plan from the start. We don't see practice but I don't imagine he's lit anyone up since he's still glued to the bench.

Bud makes a lot of offense for defense and vice versa subs in game, especially the 4th. I don't recall a coach doing as much tinkering as he has. If anything I think he has a tendency to over adjust.

I think a strategy adjustment was what we needed. Wolves were loading up on Booker at the end. We should have adjusted and had the "others" help more.

 

[Hoop Head]

Although they are centers, the Suns could use a healthy Robert William III or Ivica Zubac in the middle. Bobby Ports would be a fit at power forward. I'd even kick the tires on Rachaun Holmes. There must be a number of players I'm missing.

They need a player with some grit.

RW3 would be great but he can't stay healthy. Zubac is a redundancy with Nurk and Plumlee. So I wouldn't even bother there. He might be better at some things but worse at others. Marginal difference, if any, overall.

I have no interest in Holmes. He's lost a step last I saw. If he still had some spring in him then maybe but he doesn't. We should look for different skillsets if they're older.

Portis would be ideal. He can play PF or C. Has legit size, can shoot 3's, be a rim deterrent, and also rebound.

We need someone who is 6'10" or taller that uses their height while also being capable of knocking down 3's well enough to be respected. A young Brook Lopez would be excellent but not all that far fetched either. He was a low post interior bruiser before he changed his style. He went from shooting 14 3pt attempts to 387. He made 2 in the season he shot 14 and made 134 the next year. 14% to 35% on that volume increase is nuts. He was 28 years old and entering his 9th season when he made the change.

 

[Superbone]

I feel sick..

Maybe it's time to come out of your hole. I bet we win the next game if you do.