Suns sign Tyus Jones

[Yuma]

That Christmas game is probably about as dark as my mindset as a fan has ever gone for a regular season game.

Brutal.

I didn't necessarily expect even a win. I was not expecting to be curb stomped. My family was so happy to have the Suns game on to watch on Christmas Day. That was really a kick in the nuts!

 

[Ronin]

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[Ronin]

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[95pro]

Earlier in this thread, back in august, I mentioned that KD is eligible for a 1 year contract due to the 38 year old rule. So far this trade hasn't worked out for the best, last season we are down on wins and the product was just awful to watch.

Now with KD still on the books for two more years, 24-25 and 25-26, extending him beyond this is just asking for trouble. The trade didn't only impact what we gave up for KD (twins + picks), but the future as well where it extends beyond KD's current contract. Just doing business alone means we HAVE to keep KD and extend him, it would be bad business if we didn't. We are wasting Books prime years locked into Beal and KD as our big 3.

 

[Hoop Head]

Earlier in this thread, back in august, I mentioned that KD is eligible for a 1 year contract due to the 38 year old rule. So far this trade hasn't worked out for the best, last season we are down on wins and the product was just awful to watch.

Now with KD still on the books for two more years, 24-25 and 25-26, extending him beyond this is just asking for trouble. The trade didn't only impact what we gave up for KD (twins + picks), but the future as well where it extends beyond KD's current contract. Just doing business alone means we HAVE to keep KD and extend him, it would be bad business if we didn't. We are wasting Books prime years locked into Beal and KD as our big 3.

I'm hoping we swing a deal with Houston, who now owns the picks we traded Brooklyn. They're in the market for a star and have our picks plus young talent. Supposedly they want Booker more, which makes sense for them but they kick rocks in that regard.

 

[JCSunsfan]

This is a great moment for Tyus. He gets the starting gig all to himself on a talented team. It is his moment to shine if he can make it happen.

 

[Hoop Head]

I didn't realize that Tyus and Grayson played together at Duke. I knew they were both Duke guys but Tyus came out after his freshman year while Grayson was a 4 year player. They had the same rookie/freshman year in 2014-15 where they won a NCAA championship.


Kind of interesting, Jahlil Okafor was also there. Of course the Suns let him go, basically, but that could have added another layer had he been kept around.

 

[Covert Rain]

This is a great moment for Tyus. He gets the starting gig all to himself on a talented team. It is his moment to shine if he can make it happen.

If Tyus is on a mission this year it may benefit the Suns greatly in addition to his value.

 

[95pro]

I didn't realize that Tyus and Grayson played together at Duke. I knew they were both Duke guys but Tyus came out after his freshman year while Grayson was a 4 year player. They had the same rookie/freshman year in 2014-15 where they won a NCAA championship.


Kind of interesting, Jahlil Okafor was also there. Of course the Suns let him go, basically, but that could have added another layer had he been kept around.

I read somewhere that the Grayson connection was another reason he chose to come here.

 

[elindholm]

Earlier in this thread, back in august, I mentioned that KD is eligible for a 1 year contract due to the 38 year old rule.

No, no, no, please, for the love of God, no.

Now with KD still on the books for two more years, 24-25 and 25-26, extending him beyond this is just asking for trouble.

That is an understatement. Extending him for anything close to the maximum would be the dumbest move in NBA history.

 

[95pro]

No, no, no, please, for the love of God, no.



That is an understatement. Extending him for anything close to the maximum would be the dumbest move in NBA history.

Right, the KD trade has longer implications than we realize.

 

[Superbone]

Knowing Ishbia, he will. 60 million? No problem.

 

[Hoop Head]

Zero doubt that Tyus is a talented player but I'm starting to wonder if he's the PG for this team. He's slow and methodical when running the offense, like CP3 could be, but he doesn't have much of an offensive game outside of initiating for others. He doesn't have the midrange game Paul had/has. He's not the type to drive to initiate contact either, when he drives he weaves around others consistently. He'll pass up layups to kick out for semi-open 3's from others, which needs to stop. He's a decent 3pt shooter when he's not rushing it or passing it up altogether in hopes of an assist. He's not a good defender, he lacks the foot speed to keep up with opposing PG's.

Overall he's a weird fit here and isn't being used to maximize his talent or the teams strengths. He should be playing the second half of the 1st quarter after our offense tries building a cushion for Tyus to maintain with the bench. He should be used the second half of the 3rd quarter and first minutes of the 4th. Manage the game while the Big 3 get rested for a final push. Maybe keep one of them on the floor with him for all of his minutes except the start of the 4th. Only bring him back in if turnovers become an issue or the offense continually stalls out.

Bottom line is he's a backup or Sixth Man who has hustled himself into a starting job because he is underpaid and took maybe 20% of what he could have received elsewhere. He has talent and we can use it.njr.the way he's been used hasn't worked well.

I'd like to see Morris eat up some of his minutes. He plays more like we need a PG to play in terms of being a good confident outside shooter and playmaker. Not a good individual defender but seems more accustomed to team defense than Tyus.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Zero doubt that Tyus is a talented player but I'm starting to wonder if he's the PG for this team. He's slow and methodical when running the offense, like CP3 could be, but he doesn't have much of an offensive game outside of initiating for others. He doesn't have the midrange game Paul had/has. He's not the type to drive to initiate contact either, when he drives he weaves around others consistently. He'll pass up layups to kick out for semi-open 3's from others, which needs to stop. He's a decent 3pt shooter when he's not rushing it or passing it up altogether in hopes of an assist. He's not a good defender, he lacks the foot speed to keep up with opposing PG's.

Overall he's a weird fit here and isn't being used to maximize his talent or the teams strengths. He should be playing the second half of the 1st quarter after our offense tries building a cushion for Tyus to maintain with the bench. He should be used the second half of the 3rd quarter and first minutes of the 4th. Manage the game while the Big 3 get rested for a final push. Maybe keep one of them on the floor with him for all of his minutes except the start of the 4th. Only bring him back in if turnovers become an issue or the offense continually stalls out.

Bottom line is he's a backup or Sixth Man who has hustled himself into a starting job because he is underpaid and took maybe 20% of what he could have received elsewhere. He has talent and we can use it.njr.the way he's been used hasn't worked well.

I'd like to see Morris eat up some of his minutes. He plays more like we need a PG to play in terms of being a good confident outside shooter and playmaker. Not a good individual defender but seems more accustomed to team defense than Tyus.

Yeah… he isn’t quite the fit I was hoping for.

 

[Mainstreet]

IMO, the Suns need more of Tyus and less of players going through the motion.

Yes, he is not the best defender, but that is not due to a lack of effort. The quit in this team is what bothers me.

They are not a hungry team, plus they lack chemistry and defense.

 

[BirdGangThing]

haven't really formed a tyus opinion yet - when he's good he's good - when he isn't it's because he's non-existent - but he's only had a few games with the big 3

 

[Hoop Head]

haven't really formed a tyus opinion yet - when he's good he's good - when he isn't it's because he's non-existent - but he's only had a few games with the big 3

My issue has more to do with him without the Big 3. He's not needed to help them. He's supposed to bring a steady hand to run an offense without them. He's not stood out in that regard, at all. If anything he's underwhelmed. If he were coming off the bench, maybe his production wouldn't be an issue. As is, we need more.

 

[GatorAZ]

Odd bump regarding point guard when we have the worst starting center in the league.

 

[Superbone]

Odd bump regarding point guard when we have the worst starting center in the league.

Agreed, I think Tyus Jones has been fine. He was never billed as a superstar. He is quietly doing his job.

 

[Mainstreet]

My issue has more to do with him without the Big 3. He's not needed to help them. He's supposed to bring a steady hand to run an offense without them. He's not stood out in that regard, at all. If anything he's underwhelmed. If he were coming off the bench, maybe his production wouldn't be an issue. As is, we need more.

I think you were close to right when you said coaching wasn't the problem, but neither is Tyus Jones.

However, the phrase may be applicable, "that dog won't hunt." Something needs to change and I think it starts with the core players.

In regard to player personnel, the Suns need a 4/5, but where are they going to get a heart?

 

[Hoop Head]

I think you were close to right when you said coaching wasn't the problem, but neither is Tyus Jones.

However, the phrase may be applicable, "that dog won't hunt." Something needs to change and I think it starts with the core players.

In regard to player personnel, the Suns need a 4/5, but where are they going to get a heart?

I don't think there's a vet out there who can light a fire under these guys. Portis is closest but his availability is difficult since we'd need a 3rd team involved with Milwaukee also over the 2nd apron.

Precious Achiuwa is someone I like a lot who is a gritty player who plays with heart but I think he's hurt. He's in New York and I'm sure Thibs wants to hang onto him for when KAT drives him mad. Precious reminds me of a modern Taj Gibson.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I think you were close to right when you said coaching wasn't the problem, but neither is Tyus Jones.

However, the phrase may be applicable, "that dog won't hunt." Something needs to change and I think it starts with the core players.

In regard to player personnel, the Suns need a 4/5, but where are they going to get a heart?

Your last question is the crux of the issue. Neither of our best two players are leaders and have proven to be front runners throughout their career.

Now that could be overcome to contend in the long run, but not without major upgrades around them, which is really tough to do because of the 2nd apron/lack of assets.

 

[Mainstreet]

I don't think there's a vet out there who can light a fire under these guys. Portis is closest but his availability is difficult since we'd need a 3rd team involved with Milwaukee also over the 2nd apron.

Precious Achiuwa is someone I like a lot who is a gritty player who plays with heart but I think he's hurt. He's in New York and I'm sure Thibs wants to hang onto him for when KAT drives him mad. Precious reminds me of a modern Taj Gibson.

Portis could be that guy, but I think the Bucks are too smart to part with him for a reasonable price.

Allen might have been that player when he first entered the NBA.

Achiuwa would be a good addition, but I don't think he is enough.

 

[Mainstreet]

Your last question is the crux of the issue. Neither of our best two players are leaders and have proven to be front runners throughout their career.

Now that could be overcome to contend in the long run, but not without major upgrades around them, which is really tough to do because of the 2nd apron/lack of assets.

I'd like a do-over on the 2020-21 Suns and add a 4/5 they so desperately needed when Saric went down.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I'd like a do-over on the 2020-21 Suns and add a 4/5 they so desperately needed when Saric went down.

I’ve often said that wouldn’t have made a difference, but I’ve revised that thought. Such a close series… to lose our only legit backup Big def could have made a difference.

But CP3 disappearing and Booker’s stupid foul trouble in Game 4 and atrocious Game 6 coulda made a difference too. Man, what an utter collapse that was.