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I know that Penn State has a great reputation for coming through in big games.
Put that on Franklin, not on Allar. Also, I think Franklin tends to hurt QBs' development, especially as pertains to the NFL. The hope would be you could develop Allar before it's too late, or he could become another Hackenberg (sp?).
 

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This would be my rebuttal if what I said didn’t make sense, too.
It makes perfect sense you just refuse to acknowledge it and want to play dumb. When I said I wanted a QB that can win a Superbowl you told me "lofty goals".

So now you say you want a taam that can win a Superbowl and I say "lofty goals". It's not hard to understand if you wanted to. But I was saying about your boy K1. So....
 

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It makes perfect sense you just refuse to acknowledge it and want to play dumb.
It doesn’t make sense & even you know it doesn’t make sense. C’mon now.
When I said I wanted a QB that can win a Superbowl you told me "lofty goals".
You’re incorrect just off the fact I know I have never posted “lofty goals” in all my years posting here.
So now you say you want a taam that can win a Superbowl and I say "lofty goals".
I said I want a team that can -contend- for a Super Bowl. Building through the trenches. I would think that’s common sense on how to be a successful football team to everybody. I guess it’s not after conversing with you.
It's not hard to understand if you wanted to.
You didn’t even understand what the point you were trying to make. You probably still don’t, honestly.
 

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I don't want another year where 7-9 wins is the ceiling and OMG maybe, if the planets align and everything is perfect, we sneak into the playoffs to get crushed in the wild card round. I want at least the chance at doing better, or starting to do better. Anything else is just another wasted year for me.
There is a huge world between 4 wins and winning multiple playoff games. I don't mind being Pittsburgh in 2025, and keeping my QB options open after that season.

I don't normally like to do this but what QB option do you think comes available this off-season that is better than Kyler who is somewhere between the 12th and 16th best QB in the NFL?
 

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There is a huge world between 4 wins and winning multiple playoff games. I don't mind being Pittsburgh in 2025, and keeping my QB options open after that season.

I don't normally like to do this but what QB option do you think comes available this off-season that is better than Kyler who is somewhere between the 12th and 16th best QB in the NFL?

Money is no object? Sam Darnold, Russ.

Cost-adjusted? I-think-maybe-Justin Fields-don't-hate, Andy Dalton, Jameis. I feel like there are a lot of QBs who can do what Kyler's done this season with the handcuffs that have either been placed on him or he's placed upon himself. A lot of QBs can hand the ball off over and over and throw short of the sticks on third down.
 

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It doesn’t make sense & even you know it doesn’t make sense. C’mon now.

You’re incorrect just off the fact I know I have never posted “lofty goals” in all my years posting here.

I said I want a team that can -contend- for a Super Bowl. Building through the trenches. I would think that’s common sense on how to be a successful football team to everybody. I guess it’s not after conversing with you.

You didn’t even understand what the point you were trying to make. You probably still don’t, honestly.
Here is your exact quote. If you want to play the semantics card.

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Quite a standard you got here.

But just keep throwing out your childish insults. It's what you do. Now who doesn't understand what they said?

With that I. Bowing out of this silly conversation.
 

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They'll get to the playoffs if they mature. Kyler has to maintain and keep his leadership rock like. Pass attempts need to be 20-30, the running backs and oline need to get back to their running game. Teams are figuring out the D but don't turn the football over and make it easy. Just be aggressive defense and play with attitude.
 

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Money is no object? Sam Darnold, Russ.

Cost-adjusted? I-think-maybe-Justin Fields-don't-hate, Andy Dalton, Jameis. I feel like there are a lot of QBs who can do what Kyler's done this season with the handcuffs that have either been placed on him or he's placed upon himself. A lot of QBs can hand the ball off over and over and throw short of the sticks on third down.
I kinda disagree tho. None of those QBs are going to be a long term option. Your accelerated cap hit to cut Kyler is 58 mil. The cost of a new QB would be something like 5-30 mil? (Fields 5 and Darnold 30) Yes we have the money, but you are essentially paying 62-70(ish) mil for the same production vs Kyler's 43 mil cap hit. The only way that makes sense is if Kyler is a locker room problem which I don't see him being.

I have no problem with paying 5 mil for Winston or Dalton as a vet backup if that's the direction they want to go, but it makes no sense to do so and also cut Kyler.
 
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ive been a cardinal fan since they were the phx cardinals - disappointment is part of the gig and there are none too big - but not russell freakin wilson - we're not doing that - don't even wanna think about that - omg - id have to take a hippie hiatus because that's some bs
 
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I kinda disagree tho. None of those QBs are going to be a long term option. Your accelerated cap hit to cut Kyler is 58 mil. The cost of a new QB would be something like 5-30 mil? (Fields 5 and Darnold 30) Yes we have the money, but you are essentially paying 62-70(ish) mil for the same production vs Kyler's 43 mil cap hit. The only way that makes sense is if Kyler is a locker room problem which I don't see him being.

I have no problem with paying 5 mil for Winston or Dalton as a vet backup if that's the direction they want to go, but it makes no sense to do so and also cut Kyler.
Dude, you asked who out there would be as good as Kyler and I answered. I'm sure you asked that in good faith, but this response is boring and moves the goalposts.

The reason you move on is because $36.8 million of Kyler's 2026 salary gets guaranteed in March 2025.
 

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Dude, you asked who out there would be as good as Kyler and I answered. I'm sure you asked that in good faith, but this response is boring and moves the goalposts.

The reason you move on is because $36.8 million of Kyler's 2026 salary gets guaranteed in March 2025.
Bingo. Bite the bullet now when you have cap space to do it and so we’re rid of the problem in 2026.
 

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Dude, you asked who out there would be as good as Kyler and I answered. I'm sure you asked that in good faith, but this response is boring and moves the goalposts.

The reason you move on is because $36.8 million of Kyler's 2026 salary gets guaranteed in March 2025.
It wasn't my intention to move the goalposts. Fair callout.
 

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Kyler is only the problem because Petzing is trying to force an offensive scheme that doesn’t fit his franchise QBs skill set. I admit that the 2 Ints were poor decisions by KM but that’s going to happen once in a while, it’s not like he’s been throwing a lot of picks.
They were winning before the bye because Kyler was running more. Post bye he has averaged less than 20 yds rushing. Kyler isn’t going anywhere. Those that are saying move on from KM are wasting their breath. He actually has the potential to be a top 5 QB. We’ve seen it! Petzing can’t force his desired offense on KM. You’ve got to design the offense around Murray and take full advantage of his skill set. EVERY SINGLE GAME!
Put him under center more.
Roll him out and design WR routes for that rollout.
Run pass options.
Kyler Murray is a dangerous weapon if you let him be what he is. If you try to turn him into a pure pocket passer you get a below average short QB.
 

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Not saying I like him, but I’m also trying to view him from the scouts’ perspective. Strong arm, mobile, etc. Look at his body frame, it’s similar to Josh Allen. GMs & scouts will thirst all over that.

He’s got a live arm but Josh Allen’s frame and feet? I don’t see it.
 

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He’s got a live arm but Josh Allen’s frame and feet? I don’t see it.
Allar 6’5 236
Allen 6’5 237

now, obviously it’ll be a more accurate measurement at the combine but I don’t think they’re far off when watching them live

I don’t think he has Josh’s feet tho
 

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And drafting a QB high next year does not help this IMO. Draft multiple defensive front guys. Try to upgrade at OG. Try to add some speed at WR. After 2025, if things pan out and there is a QB you like, then trade up aggressively to get him.
We need a pocket pushing DT in the worst way, a Leonard Williams type & then another one close, or an edge rusher that plays like he's on steroids. The OL needs work also, the Seattle DL made our OL look like pansy asses in both games. I hate Seattle with a passion but their DL is legit, I wish it was ours.
 

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We need a pocket pushing DT in the worst way, a Leonard Williams type & then another one close, or an edge rusher that plays like he's on steroids. The OL needs work also, the Seattle DL made our OL look like pansy asses in both games. I hate Seattle with a passion but their DL is legit, I wish it was ours.

Will Anderson and Zach Allen would have gone a long way towards building a great Defense. But, we decided to punt last season on being competitive and decided a DJ Humphries clone and some magic beans would be better than a stud Edge.

Good times.
 

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Will Anderson and Zach Allen would have gone a long way towards building a great Defense. But, we decided to punt last season on being competitive and decided a DJ Humphries clone and some magic beans would be better than a stud Edge.

Good times.
Get ready to learn Walter Nolen & Kyle Kennard
 

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Get ready to learn Walter Nolen & Kyle Kennard
Why? Is either of them a Will Anderson type edge, or dominant DT and if so, how will we get a chance to draft either one stuck in the middle of the first round after Kyler wins us a couple of meaningless games against the dregs of the league?
 

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Put that on Franklin, not on Allar. Also, I think Franklin tends to hurt QBs' development, especially as pertains to the NFL. The hope would be you could develop Allar before it's too late, or he could become another Hackenberg (sp?).
Franklin didn't develop Will Levis, he transferred to my Cats & Liam Coen got him to the NFL.
 

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