09 Playoffs- Lakers vs Rockets Series thread

[KloD]

Laker fanboy logic is beyond my comprehension. Thankfully.

 

[arwillan]

Artest did what he should have done. Ron Artest is not a player who's going to let himself be punked like that, even if it comes from Kobe. Neither deserves a suspension, but both deserved a technical. I don't think Ron deserved an ejection either. Either way, his message was clear and he isn't going to take that from someone. Goodbye Fisher for game 3, too.

The Lakers are still soft, and the Rockets are a whole lot tougher than I thought they were.

 

[hsandhu]

To whatever extent it is, they are. You sure aren't watching with your anti-laker bias stowed in your super-secret suns championship time capsule.

Well that first sentence makes a big difference. There is a difference between rooting for a team and viewing things through the prism of being a fanatic of that team vs. being an out and out homer.

Yes as a suns fan I hate the lakers, but if they win congrats to them, especially for rebuilding the team after trading shaq, and so be it. it doesn't really profoundly effect my life.

kobe's elbow on ron should have been a foul, nothing more, and ron should let people know you can't elbow them in the throat. i think i can view the situation without total homerism, barkley even had the same exact opinion.

 

[82CardsGrad]

Please. PLEASE.



Kobe has a history of that because ALL basketball players have a history of that move. It's called clearing out space. Wow. He's so innovative with his cheapshots that he's bringing actual normal contact into the realm of "that move."

Waaaait...hold that thought....I feel something coming....







Getting clearer...






Clearer......




Ah, there it is. Yes, Artest DOES have a history of losing his mind over minimal issues. Thanks for pointing that out.



Why, I should have just waited for it...you were going there in your mind as well.

Dude.. seriously...get a grip. They're the Kobe-led Lakers. NOT the Magic-led Lakers, or the Bird-led Celtics, or the Michael-led Bulls...

 

[D-Dogg]

Laker fanboy logic is beyond my comprehension. Thankfully.

It's really not that hard, Klod. I'd think you'd understand, being a fan of a soft team too.

It isn't like we are all Pistons fans in here or anything...our favorite teams have the soft label, and usually get shoved around. Shocking when one of our vaginas goes postal on someone.

Before you bitch about Fisher, please tell me how you felt about Raja vs. Kobe and where you keep your KY tape of that play?

 

[D-Dogg]

kobe's elbow on ron should have been a foul, nothing more, and ron should let people know you can't elbow them in the throat. i think i can view the situation without total homerism, barkley even had the same exact opinion.

I agree, but I think it should have been a no call, nothing more. Ron had his forearm in Kobe's neck, and pushed off there...kobe elbowed back. That's basketball, play on. IMO at least. Ron decided to escalate it...the ref didn't care/agree, so he decided to go Bad Ron and go at Kobe. Game over. Dumb ron.

Overall, should have been a no call. The comments about cheap shot from kobe and suspension for kobe are so silly, IMO. Not just from a homer Laker fan, but from a basketball player. Ron was dumb to take it so far. Just run up court, and then bust a few more ridiculous shots on us. Don't whine.

 

[KloD]

It's really not that hard, Klod. I'd think you'd understand, being a fan of a soft team too.

It isn't like we are all Pistons fans in here or anything...our favorite teams have the soft label, and usually get shoved around. Shocking when one of our vaginas goes postal on someone.

Before you bitch about Fisher, please tell me how you felt about Raja vs. Kobe and where you keep your KY tape of that play?

Please... did I enjoy Raja's retaliation on Kobe for throwing several elbows, yep. Am I a fan of cheap shot punks, nope. Therefore, my approval of someone throwing one back at Kobe. That doesn't explain Fishers wuss move. He wasn't even in the play. Scola didn't hand out the T's. What Fisher did was act like a punk and then run for cover behind his team. I expect the Rockets to hand out an ass whoopin' next game.

 

[D-Dogg]

Dude.. seriously...get a grip. They're the Kobe-led Lakers. NOT the Magic-led Lakers, or the Bird-led Celtics, or the Michael-led Bulls...

You had me at the Magic-led lakers.

I started looking up your address for a firebomb when you mentioned the Mustache led Celtdicks....

You made me weep at the Jordan led bulls (the last appearance of my hero in the Finals).

Thanks a lot, a-hat.

 

[D-Dogg]

Please... did I enjoy Raja's retaliation on Kobe for throwing several elbows, yep. Am I a fan of cheap shot punks, nope. Therefore, my approval of someone throwing one back at Kobe. That doesn't explain Fishers wuss move. He wasn't even in the play. Scola didn't hand out the T's. What Fisher did was act like a punk and then run for cover behind his team. I expect the Rockets to hand out an ass whoopin' next game.

That's about the dumbest logic I've ever seen, ever, from anyone.

At least understand and can at some level respect what Raja did, even if I think he's a little bitch. He made his point. Overkill like a mutha, but he made his point.

You just let your horrid suns bias and laker hatred show. Your opinion on all of this is sufficiently tainted...moreso than mine.

 

[hsandhu]

I agree, but I think it should have been a no call, nothing more. Ron had his forearm in Kobe's neck, and pushed off there...kobe elbowed back. That's basketball, play on. IMO at least. Ron decided to escalate it...the ref didn't care/agree, so he decided to go Bad Ron and go at Kobe. Game over. Dumb ron.

Overall, should have been a no call. The comments about cheap shot from kobe and suspension for kobe are so silly, IMO. Not just from a homer Laker fan, but from a basketball player. Ron was dumb to take it so far. Just run up court, and then bust a few more ridiculous shots on us. Don't whine.

But ron did nothing more than deserve a normal techincal. He didn't even shove kobe (like hinrich and rondo), just ran up in his face to say don't do that, since he felt the refs weren't doing anything. He got ejected because:

1) Everything else that happened in the game
2) He's ron artest, and the refs thought there was a chance he might start a full scale riot

 

[D-Dogg]

But ron did nothing more than deserve a normal techincal. He didn't even shove kobe (like hinrich and rondo), just ran up in his face to say don't do that, since he felt the refs weren't doing anything. He got ejected because:

1) Everything else that happened in the game
2) He's ron artest, and the refs thought there was a chance he might start a full scale riot

I won't argue that he did nothing more than deserve a normal tech.

He just happened to keep yapping with Joey "I'm in control and I'm an *****" crawford moving him back. That's what got him tossed.

Never said that he DESERVED to get tossed. Just that crying about Kobe's elbow and how it was anything more than a basketball play is simply idiotic.

Fisher should be suspended. But that will just highlight how ridiculous the league is with WWRondo able to fishhook guys or throw them into the scorers' table. Was Fish wrong? Yes. Did I love it? Yes, because this soft team needed it badly.

 

[D-Dogg]

Plus, Kobe now has three techs in the playoffs. THAT will be a storyline soon.

 

[hsandhu]

I won't argue that he did nothing more than deserve a normal tech.

He just happened to keep yapping with Joey "I'm in control and I'm an *****" crawford moving him back. That's what got him tossed.

Never said that he DESERVED to get tossed. Just that crying about Kobe's elbow and how it was anything more than a basketball play is simply idiotic.

Fisher should be suspended. But that will just highlight how ridiculous the league is with WWRondo able to fishhook guys or throw them into the scorers' table. Was Fish wrong? Yes. Did I love it? Yes, because this soft team needed it badly.

The league is stupid, I agree.

None of these should be suspensions. David Stern is a clown who doesn't realize there are a lot bigger reasons the NBA is the clear number 3) in american team sports other than player confrontations.

use technicals, flagrants and ejections to manage confrontations like they did back in the day, every thing doesn't need to be a suspension.

 

[D-Dogg]

Wow, Ron is going completely bonkers in some of these post game interviews. I swear to God I just saw his vagina on TNT and I trembled at its enormous size. It was like looking at King Kong if he had a vagina and squatted over you talking about how his team only wins fair and square and how Shane got hit once and how Kobe should have been ejected and RAWR...

Unreal. Relax Ron...don't meltdown until you are down 2-1 on Friday night. Save the meltdown so we can go up 3-1 with no issues.

 

[D-Dogg]

The league is stupid, I agree.

None of these should be suspensions. David Stern is a clown who doesn't realize there are a lot bigger reasons the NBA is the clear number 3) in american team sports other than player confrontations.

use technicals, flagrants and ejections to manage confrontations like they did back in the day, every thing doesn't need to be a suspension.

I agree in that, but they are woefully inconsistent. You can't say what SHOULD or SHOULDN'T be a suspension, really, because there are several cases you can cite that back up both sides. The NBA has really fouled that whole thing up.

I prefer 80s ball, where you could clothesline a guy, and you'd get your ass handed to you, and there would be at max a couple of fouls called.

 

[cly2tw]

LOL. Ok. So, your thoughts on Rondo's non-fines much less suspensions in the Chicago series?




Of course it isn't new...it's called basketball, and it isn't played by *******. It's a contact sport, and people get elbowed and fouled. Guys get bloodied and scraped and bruised. It is the game. Basketball IS a contact sport...first thing I learned when I started to play...drilled into me from day one. It's the most contact sport we have, and we don't wear pads to protect ourselves. It's a man's game. Man up, Ron.

I didn't follow Bulls-Celtics that much to know what Rondo did.

Contact doesn't need to be Cheap. Kobe's elbow has been cheap just like Malone was. The league has suspended him at least once I believe for his "intimidating" elbowing acts I believe. They have not suspended anybody for the arms on the body contace Ron was called a foul for on that play.

Kobe said it perfectly:

And you have a problem with that in what way....because it's Kobe? Or the Lakers? Or not your favorite team? Give me a friggin break.

I love me some Laker haters.

As I said, contact and being physical is fine, Ron's was not cheap in that play, but the elbow by Kobe was. And Kobe's cheap elbow has a history. Tell David Robinson that Malone's elbow was normal physical contact, tell any fan in NBA that.

There are a lot of physical plays in this league, but elbowing as retaliation or intimidation belongs to the category of CHEAP. Both Raja's clothlining and Ron's act were out of frustration that refs looked away from the cheap shots Kobe did to them. And, Donald, you really wouldn't like that Artest return the favor and do the Kobe-kind "physical" play back to Kobe, in next games. And you want no-call on that kind of play, right? Just be careful what you wish for, and for Kobe!

 

[D-Dogg]

And, Donald, you really wouldn't like that Artest return the favor and do the Kobe-kind "physical" play back to Kobe, in next games. And you want no-call on that kind of play, right? Just be careful what you wish for, and for Kobe!

Yeah, I would. I'd love it.

Maybe you should pick up a newspaper and read about the kind of stuff that elevate's Kobe's game.

 

[cly2tw]

Yeah, I would. I'd love it.

Maybe you should pick up a newspaper and read about the kind of stuff that elevate's Kobe's game.

No, you don't like Kobe ends up like David Robinson after Malone's Kobe-like elbow. Artest is strong enough for that.

 

[KloD]

That's about the dumbest logic I've ever seen, ever, from anyone.

At least understand and can at some level respect what Raja did, even if I think he's a little bitch. He made his point. Overkill like a mutha, but he made his point.

You just let your horrid suns bias and laker hatred show. Your opinion on all of this is sufficiently tainted...moreso than mine.

Ok, whatever you say.

If you can't understand the difference of one hitting back and one acting like a punk than I can't help you. Raja retaliated against the person who repeatedly hit him, Fisher threw a cheap shot at someone who had done nothing to him. Kobe has been throwing elbows his whole career and the league did nothing, it was about time someone laid him out for it. All Fisher did was cheap shot someone like a little bitch because his mates got T's for talking trash.

I can't help you understand sound Logic, your a Laker homer.

Now put on your Kobe underoos and tuck yourself into your Kobe sheets and dream of little Kobe's dancing in your head. Face it Donald, nobody outside of a Laker fanboy would defend Kobe's repeated elbow throwing or Fishers pathetic cheap shot.

 

[mojorizen7]

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Looks to me like a very slick intentional elbow. LakeShow fans will call it a box out,but Artest was easily moving Kobe underneath and out of position for the rebound and Kobe threw a bitch elbow in order to get it. I wouldn't call it a flagrant 1(only because it's playoffs)but it's a typical Kobe dirty elbow. Foul on Artest??? Come on....

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Box out??? When i played ball if i had recieved that type of elbow on one end , my retaliation on the other end would've stopped the game.
Somebody needs to layout this punk....

Good series though,two very good teams.

 

[Michael]

I expect two games for Fisher and one for Bryant if they receive a fair treatment by the league.

The elbow could have been of dire consequence for Artest if it would have been higher (and clearly Bryant had no control where/if he would hit his opponent).

I have no idea what was going on in Fisher's mind.

 

[Bufalay]

I expect two games for Fisher and one for Bryant if they receive a fair treatment by the league.

The elbow could have been of dire consequence for Artest if it would have been higher (and clearly Bryant had no control where/if he would hit his opponent).

I have no idea what was going on in Fisher's mind.

What the hell are you talking about? No one should be suspended except for Joey Crawford's stupid ass.

 

[mojorizen7]

You gotta love guys like Fisher and Horry...guys that were once talented but as their game's began to nosedive they learn to specialize in thuggery. Awesome.

 

[Errntknght]

Thanks for the replays, Mojo.

Dang, I have to agree with Donald and the refs on this one... Ron clearly fouled Kobe a couple times in the scrum and Kobe did a good job of using his elbow to fight back - well timed and hidden in the fray. Looked like it aimed at the chest to me - not that Kobe would hesitate to elbow anyone in the neck or head.

I've no problem at all with this play but I'd like to see Kobe and Carmello required to guard each - the two guys in the league that polish their elbow to the head moves so they can get away with them.

 

[Gee!]

Oh, it's over. The Rockets riled the Lakers up. They should have let them just stay soft.

The rox aren't close to the talent level of the Lakers. The lakers sit around and get lazy all the time. They coast. Now they have been punched in the mouth, and challenged. And pissed.

If you think this isn't over...you will be singing a different tune in game 5 when LA closes it out.

Unless you think the Rox are going to win both games in Houston. Ain't gonna happen. Lakers will go up 2-1, and the meltdown by the Rox will go into hyperdrive.

Oh good grief.. And you wonder why people hate the lakers.. Isnt because of the lakers team per se.. But the damn laker fans acting in this manner.. You guys act like your entitled to something.. I havent watched any playoff basketball.. But when LeBron gets to the Finals, I have to watch him get his first title.. I just hope its against the lakers so I can see the misery on their fans faces again..