2006 Cardinals: The Stigma of Losing

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With such parity in the NFL, why is it that year in and year out a franchise like the Arizona Cardinals are mired in the stigma of losing?

I have thought about this a lot. I imagine you have too.

Why is it that franchises like the Pittsburgh Steelers and New England Patriots are perennial Super Bowl contenders?

Here are some of the reasons:

1. Fan base. When the fans create an expectation for winning...and embrace the history of the franchise...the bar is set high for the coaches and players...and it is easier for the players to "buy into" the tradition.

2. Ownership. The real good owners are the ones who make consistently astute decisions about (A) who the coach and staff should be; (B) what players to dish out the big bucks to; and (C) who the organization will count on to bring in new personnel through free agency and the draft.

3. Coaching. Elite franchises in the NFL attract the most talented coaches and usually hold on the them.

4. Team Discipline. The elite programs expect the coaches and players to be professional and to be 100% committed to helping the team win. Anything short of that is not tolerated. It all starts with the head coach...if he is not the most professional and committed individual in the organization, he usually is shown the door. The coach serves as a role model for the players. The thing is...with winning franchises, the team comes first, so much so that some players actually sign contracts below market value to stay with their teams, and in doing so, try to help the organization spare enough cap space to re-sign or bring in the right players that will help them win as a team.

Football is such a grueling sport that if the players sense that they can get away with playing less than 100%, so as to save their bodies from the weekly punishment...some of them will. Not the Anquan Boldins of the world. He's special and is a consummate winner.

Teams have to be willing to pay the price week in and week out...and if none or only some of the tangibles listed above are prevalent (good fan base, good ownership, good coaching and team discipline), the players will place more of their attention and commitment into their lavish lifestyles to build themselves (what they hope will be) a safe haven from the grueling NFL routine. This means that some players turn it on just enough to try to flash their value, but not enough to get their teams over the hump. This means that some players will try to act like they are committed, and look like it one week, and hardly show up the next. That's what's been happening to the Arizona Cardinals for what seems to be forever.

The reality for the Cardinals is:

1. Fan Base: Up until recently the Cardinals have had the worst fan base in the NFL. The excitement over the new stadium and a venue that will allow the fans to watch the games in a comfortable and alluring setting (rather than in the sweltering heat at a college stadium) have already started to pay big dividends. But...those of us (fans) who have suffered for years rooting for the perennially inept Cardinals are few and far between because there has been no bandwagon to jump on....and no tradition of winning whatsoever.

2. Ownership. The Bidwills have shown signs of getting up to par with the times, but in all honesty they still don't make the best football decisions (although they have been trying) and they just can't seem to catch a break either.

3. Coaching. The Bidwills have historically put the franchise's fortunes in the hands of novices or over the hill coaches. Mr. B, should have learned something when he rolled a lucky seven by hiring Don Coryell ages ago. Coryell was innovative and cunningly brash...and he brought something very special to the postion: a genius-like understanding of offensive designs and play-calling. The Bidwills thought they had hired a defensive genius in Buddy Ryan, but Ryan's arrogance and his disdain for human kind rendered him a failure as a head coach. Since Ryan, the Bidwills handed over the keys to head coaching neophytes...they were fortunate that Vince Tobin was up to the task (albeit an unlikely choice due to the fact that Tobin was never mistaken for a charismatic motivator), at least in 1998 when the Cardinals miraculously made the playoff and won a playoff game. All Tobin's momentum was dashed when the Bidwills decided to play hard ball with key players on that playoff team, thus losing them from the roster...all but QB Jake Plummer who they signed to a lucrative contract that, in retrospect, they must have wound up regretting.

Dave McGinnis was a very odd choice...since the Bidwills put all their eggs in Jake Plummer's basket, it behooved them to get Jake an offensive guru, not an old linebackers coach.

So, the Bidwills turn to a proven winner, Dennis Green...and thus far have watched Green raise expectations to a new height because of the talent he has assembled...but thus far have reaped no benefits from that talent due to lackluster, undisciplined play, shoddy preparation and ill-advised coaching decisions.

Green came to Arizona with the reputation of being an offensive mastermind...and immedaitely talked of HIS offense and how it would be a top five offense..yet, mystifyingly, no one in Arizona really knows yet what HIS offense is because Green coaches from a distance...he's about as hands-off as they get. When his rookie offensive coordinators have struggled, Green has not elected to call any plays or take any semblance of the onus on his shoulders.

4. Team Discipline. This franchise has been about as undisciplined on the field as any in the NFL, for a long, long time. The players, other than Boldin and Fitz and a select few others, think that playing for the Arizona Cardinals is a paid vacation disguised as a job. These players don't lay it on the line every week...some hyped up free agents sign here strictly for the money and the lifestyle...there is no commitment to winning here on the players' part and we are kidding oursleves if we think otherwise.

Edgerrin James has been heralded as the savior free agent...yet, here's a guy who came to Arizona because as he said the coach won't beat him up in practice or in pre-season...and thus far, James, after playing a token few plays in the pre-season, has not looked in sync with the offense (yes, blame much of that on the line)...but he hasn't played fast or that instinctive when he's had some daylight and the way Frank Gore outran and hustled James, if one didn't know, one would think Frank Gore was the $34M RB.

James came to Arizona...because it would be easier to call his own shots. And because the money was green and up front. It's that simple. And this only perpetuates the Cardinals' problems. The Bidwills should have been out shopping for smashmouth guards and tackles...and put the horses before the cart, not the other way around.

James has apparently been good for team morale and is a great guy in the locker room...plasma TV and all. Maybe that is a good thing. But it won't mean anything if the team doesn't start playing hard and disciplined week in and week out.

When the team's QB doesn't even have a sense to spike the ball after a sack with twenty seconds left, or to get his offense into a hurry-up down 11 points and under five minutes left...one has to wonder what is really going on. Team discipline starts with the coaches...but it inevitably has to come from the players...they have to demand it from themselves...and half the battle is recognizing what the situation calls for and going out there and executing it.

This stigma of losing...and all the condoning and excuse making that goes with it, all boils down to one stark reality...we, the fans, who have to endure the throes of this stigma, year in and year out...we are getting flat-out ripped off...by owners who condone the mess...by coaches who in reality don't demand a stop to the mess...and by players who don't have the integrity, nor the determination to change it.
 
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I think Mitch that Michael B wants to win, I also think it's not a coincidence that we have 10 million in cap room, that's earmarked for something, I have no idea what but otherwise I think you find something to spend it on.

Michael B probably has a lot to learn as a GM, really that's what he is, when we hired Green I moaned out loud.

Green is what he is a mediocre coach with a good eye for talent that talks out of both sides of his mouth.

Green is an example of hiring for need, he looks proven, proven to take 15-1 teams straight in the dumper. Proven to have a ceiling. Proven to threaten to sue his former franchise.

We never get a Gruden or a Del Rio or a John Fox or Marvin Lewis or Lovie Smith or anyone like that because we don't take a chance and because management dosen't know what to look for.
 

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That's about right...sadly.

Having said that...lets' see what we're like say 3 years from now. Let's see if the new stadium finally pays dividends like the Bidwills swear it would. Let's see if they spend all their cap money. Let's see if they spend it wisely. Let's see if they can choose the right head coach after this season. Let's see if the stadium sells out next year and the year after that. Let's see if whoever is coaching can use Matt Leinart and the rest of our star players to their strenghts. Let's see...

If they can't get it turned around...I think the people of Arizona really...really need to do something to get the Bidwills to sell the team. This has just been embarrassing.
 

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Mitch,

great comments as always. However, all we need is a decent OL. Before the season started I was hoping Ross would play better than last year. this week we will see. I would still like to see Wells at center and maybe Deuce at left guard. Maybe Deuce is not ready but at least he will put forth a decent effort. We need changes on the OL. These guys are not going to get any better.
 

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I've written about this many times over the last few years.

The poor coaching hires, lack of fan support and especially no penalty for failure.

While most people focused on Bill Bidwill being "cheap" as the main problem hardly anyone noticed that nobody ever got cut or benched for poor performance and no one in the Valley outside of an NHL size fan base cared whether the team won or lost. So most of the players didn't either.
 

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Mitch,

great comments as always. However, all we need is a decent OL. Before the season started I was hoping Ross would play better than last year. this week we will see. I would still like to see Wells at center and maybe Deuce at left guard. Maybe Deuce is not ready but at least he will put forth a decent effort. We need changes on the OL. These guys are not going to get any better.

In 2002 all we needed was a QB who wouldn't turn the ball over. In 2003 all we needed was a pass rush. In 2004 all we needed was a cornerback. In 2005 all we needed was a stud running back.

Seems like with the Cards its always something.
 

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Great summary Mitch. Putting aside all of the past years of dysfunction and disaster, today - I believe the problems sit squarely on Denny's shoulders... This team has enough talent to compete. Heck, in the NFC - which has become the National League in MLB, the Cards definitely have enough talent to make the post season...
The loss to the Hawks is really not a surprise as nobody really expected the Cards to win in Seattle. But to see a head coach quit was simply shocking... And I really wonder what toll this will take on the players and coaches.
By any measure and all rights, the Cards should win easily this Sunday. But will they? Will they want to fight for a coach that quit?
We'll see...
 

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We seem to get very upset when the national media calls us "the same old Cards", yet isn't this thread just a rehash of what they are continually spewing? The times are changing and so are perceptions, but they won't happen overnight. What teams did in the past is not truly relevant, otherwise we would have had the 49ers in the Super Bowl every year.

So here is a dose of reality:

So far this season we have beaten a team that we should have beaten, and lost to a team we should have lost to. Neither games were pretty, but there were some positives to take away from both. There were also some scary things that need to be addressed. But if Dockett can go from knucklehead to bull rushing stud in one week, then maybe some of the issues we saw this past weekend can be corrected too.

Walter is a very passionate fan, and that colors his thinking. But he is wrong on one important point; we are not locked into a cycle of failure.

The Cards are starting to build a new reality and if you listen carefully you can hear the stirrings of success. My advice: Relax and enjoy the ride, even the bumps.

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jefftheshark said:
We seem to get very upset when the national media calls us "the same old Cards", yet isn't this thread just a rehash of what they are continually spewing? The times are changing and so are perceptions, but they won't happen overnight. What teams did in the past is not truly relevant, otherwise we would have had the 49ers in the Super Bowl every year.

So here is a dose of reality:

So far this season we have beaten a team that we should have beaten, and lost to a team we should have lost to. Neither games were pretty, but there were some positives to take away from both. There were also some scary things that need to be addressed. But if Dockett can go from knucklehead to bull rushing stud in one week, then maybe some of the issues we saw this past weekend can be corrected too.

Walter is a very passionate fan, and that colors his thinking. But he is wrong on one important point; we are not locked into a cycle of failure.

The Cards are starting to build a new reality and if you listen carefully you can hear the stirrings of success. My advice: Relax and enjoy the ride, even the bumps.

The Shark


Let's stop making this out to be some form of great parting of the waters to find out that after a dark age lasting nearly 50 years we've got a chance to not be bad?

Sure we are on the verge of being a winning team, but the question is do we have the horsepower coaching wise to be an elite team?

Green's MO is to throw a ton of talent at the problem, I would do the same thing if I were him, it's his strength but there's a big problem with that, the problem is that his losing bar is just a lot higher than ours.

I want a coach who I believe is good enough to get us a SB ring, maybe it dosen't happen for another reason but still I want to believe he's got the brainpower that given a decent chance he could pull it off.

The things that are wrong have been wrong, continue to be wrong and are really cramping my brain while it tries to imagine Green as that guy, I don't care if he's the guy or a water boy in Alberta Canada is the guy, I just want that guy to step forward and impress me.

Green's probably not that guy from what I've seen and that makes me impatient as a fan.
 

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What teams did in the past is not truly relevant, otherwise we would have had the 49ers in the Super Bowl every year.

On the contrary what teams did in the past is relevant in the NFL. It is why New England won Super Bowls in 2001,2003 and 2004. Why the Steelers,49ers, and Cowboys all had runs of several years in which they won Championships and between them have 15 titles. Its why the Eagles were in 5 straight NFC title games ending last year.

Changing the corporate culture is job #1 for any new NFL head coach.
 

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Some good points Mitch. My thoughts are that there has been a real turn around in management philosophy. I sincerely believe we're almost there. And, I agree with the "Good Year" post. Once the O-Line has been fixed and a little other tinkering (like DBs), we should reap a lot of wins and respect. Have faith!
 

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The Past

The past is the past, however as Harry Truman said, to paraphrase, "if we don't learn from the past (history), we are condemned to repeat it." Thank you Walter for the post it was interesting. And for the poster who said we should kill the Rams, this week, Las Vegas disagrees. We are 4.5 point favorites. And we haven't covered a spread, yet.
 

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Hindsight is 20-20; and, while we certainly can learn from our mistakes, you can't put the toothpaste back in the proverbial tube.

I'd rather focus on things we can do to right the ship now.

Specifically, our O-line. Straighten out the O-line and a 9 & 7 season is well in reach. Don't straighten out the O-line and we could win as few as 4 games.

My concern, therefore is: "What's going on right now during the week to improve our run blocking and pass blocking?" What blocking schemes and techniques are the coaches and players working on? When we review tape, where did the breakdowns occur in the past 2 games? What adjustments must be made to eliminate them in the future? Are the schemes wrong? Are our players smart enough to learn the correct assignments? Or is our O-line suffering from a collective case of terminal dummass?

In short, what is the coaching staff doing to break every play down into its basic components to determine what we did right and what we did wrong? And then, where are they going from there?

If I'm DG this would be my obsession until our blocking is no longer a problem.

While most of what Mitch says rings true, I'd rather that we save most of it for January, and instead, focus on the "now."
 

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JeffGollin said:
Or is our O-line suffering from a collective case of terminal dummass?


You're comments are right on the money. Especially like the above line.:D

Why is it, NYG and other teams can rebuild the OL in just a few years?
 

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Re "terminal dummass" (which terminus are we talking about here?), is there anywhere that Wonderlic scores are posted for veteran players?
 

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I will reserve my opinion on the future of Dennis Green and the organization until the bye week. Call me whatever, but I havn't seen anything so far this season that sways my opinion either way.
 

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The other night, the Steelers got shut out. They must really suck. I wonder how many of their fans are wondering what went wrong this year.

Come on people, the season is two games old, and our team is one game out of first, and if we split our home and home series with Seattle (which I still expect us to do), the record difference is meaningless.

The offense had a bad game last Sunday. This was likely to be the hardest game to win all season. I don't see the sky falling.
 

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It's good to see that the 2006 Cardinals are saddled with the "stigma of losing" when they're 1-1 and second in the division to the defending NFC Champions. They have a better record than Tampa, Washington, Carolina, and Miami, all of whom were preseason choices to go to the Super Bowl, as well as 2005 playoff teams. They have the same record as the defending Super Bowl Champions as well as the Denver Broncos. Obviously, the sky is falling.

This team has problems, but so do a lot of teams. Does anyone here really think that the Chargers are going to run the table because they beat two cupcakes early in the season? Should we just book them and Minnesota for tickets to Miami right now? Obviously the season is over.

Offenses get better as the season goes on. This team has problems, but they're not insurmountable.

This thead would make sense in Week 5 after we get a feeling for how this team is going to perform, but these are the same chords that Mitch has been playing since Denny Green was signed three years ago, and they're not getting any fresher. Obviously, Charlie Weiss wouldn't have lost to the Seattle Seahawks in their own house where they've won 10 straight games. He never loses to inferior opponents. :rolleyes:
 

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Lloydian said:
The other night, the Steelers got shut out. They must really suck. I wonder how many of their fans are wondering what went wrong this year.

Come on people, the season is two games old, and our team is one game out of first, and if we split our home and home series with Seattle (which I still expect us to do), the record difference is meaningless.

The offense had a bad game last Sunday. This was likely to be the hardest game to win all season. I don't see the sky falling.

Didn't Big Ben have a 104 degree fever the entire day of the game? Didn't he just have emergency appendix surgery less than 2 weeks ago?
They were in Jax as well... Ball all that up, and they were still in the game... Sounds like they didn't pretty darn well all things considered...

And on yea... Cowher didn't quit on his team, a la Denny Green...
 

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kerouac9 said:
It's good to see that the 2006 Cardinals are saddled with the "stigma of losing" when they're 1-1 and second in the division to the defending NFC Champions. They have a better record than Tampa, Washington, Carolina, and Miami, all of whom were preseason choices to go to the Super Bowl, as well as 2005 playoff teams. They have the same record as the defending Super Bowl Champions as well as the Denver Broncos. Obviously, the sky is falling.

This team has problems, but so do a lot of teams. Does anyone here really think that the Chargers are going to run the table because they beat two cupcakes early in the season? Should we just book them and Minnesota for tickets to Miami right now? Obviously the season is over.

Offenses get better as the season goes on. This team has problems, but they're not insurmountable.

This thead would make sense in Week 5 after we get a feeling for how this team is going to perform, but these are the same chords that Mitch has been playing since Denny Green was signed three years ago, and they're not getting any fresher. Obviously, Charlie Weiss wouldn't have lost to the Seattle Seahawks in their own house where they've won 10 straight games. He never loses to inferior opponents. :rolleyes:

I guess it's never to early to panic. :shrug:

As for the Charger's, my business partner is a big Bolt's fan and he's been looking at flights to Miami in February. I told him that he should probably wait until they play an actual NFL team before he books that ticket.

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We may be only two games into this year's season but the concern I have is how many losing seasons must we endure before blowing one's gasket? It does get old after awhile and so do the promises. It's criminal, the band-aid attention we gave the O-line this year. And I still think that the Edge should have played more in the pre-season, he doesn't have the elusiveness skills of a Barry Sanders. He needs to have holes made to run through or he just becomes another Card running back who can't make a 100 yards rushing in a game.
 

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Didn't Big Ben have a 104 degree fever the entire day of the game? Didn't he just have emergency appendix surgery less than 2 weeks ago?
They were in Jax as well... Ball all that up, and they were still in the game... Sounds like they didn't pretty darn well all things considered...

And on yea... Cowher didn't quit on his team, a la Denny Green...

Devil's advocate but should a QB 2 weeks removed from appendix surgery, with a 100.4(not 104 they reported it incorrectly on air) temp, start an NFL game? Batch threw 3 td passes in the first game, Ben clearly didn't look like he was sharp at all.

Not defending Green I think we made a lot of coaching mistakes Sunday, but frankly I'm surprised more people aren't calling Cowher out for starting Ben. ESPN asked the question and their own people answered by saying yes if Cowher thinks he's ready, and doctors cleared him, he should start.
 

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One thing somewhat relevant to all this talk about Green and job security etc. If you saw Marshall Faulk on NFL Network he was talking about Romeo Crennel's job and he said it used to be NFL coaches got 5 years to turn around a team and if you hadn't done it by then you were gone.

Now he says they get 3 years and if you haven't shown clear signs that it's on the way turned around by then, you usually never see year 4.

Green is in year 3 that's why I say talk of firing him now is nuts, but if he doesn't have a winning season this year he may be out of a job, because he's at that point where you've clearly upgraded the talent on the roster, you've made a number of coaching changes, so if after all that the team STILL isn't winning games, then management usually decides the problem is probably the head coach.

So I figure barring a total collapse Green will get this entire year and then a decision will be made.
 

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