2011 NBA FINALS: Dallas Mavericks Vs Miami Heat

[82CardsGrad]

In the Championship series, Lebron never put up a point total that even matched, let alone exceed, his regular season average... Someone on the radio said no other superstar had ever reached such futility.

 

[AzCards21]

Being in Dallas for this was pretty cool. Would be awesome to see Phoenix like this someday.

 

[Mulli]

In the Championship series, Lebron never put up a point total that even matched, let alone exceed, his regular season average... Someone on the radio said no other superstar had ever reached such futility.

What could be the reason why neither Kobe nor El Blip bothered to continually drive to the basket when defended by Jason Kidd?

I know there is a simple reason I am missing. Someone please explain.

 

[82CardsGrad]

What could be the reason why neither Kobe nor El Blip bothered to continually drive to the basket when defended by Jason Kidd?

I know there is a simple reason I am missing. Someone please explain.

Dude, you need to translate that Mulli-speak to english... I have no clue what you just said..

 

[Mulli]

Dude, you need to translate that Mulli-speak to english... I have no clue what you just said..

Jason Kidd at this stage in his career should be shredded by Kobe and LeBron James. Why wasn't he?

 

[82CardsGrad]

Jason Kidd at this stage in his career should be shredded by Kobe and LeBron James. Why wasn't he?

Dallas played more zone than any other team by far. And they are great at it... I really don't believe Kobe and Lebron were matched up one on one with Kidd all that often...
Kobe has already proven his greatness in the post season. It's so wrong to put Lechoke in the same sentance with Kobe. And I am not a Kobe fan at all. But, I'll give the guy his due. He's an alltime great and proved such on many occasions in the post season.

 

[Bert]

Jason Kidd at this stage in his career should be shredded by Kobe and LeBron James. Why wasn't he?

Kobe is starting to get old, had no help (because Pau pulled a Lebron and disappeared) and was injured thruout the playoffs and still averaged 23 against the Mavs. Kobe is not as big or as athletic as Lebron. Kidd has a much better chance of bothering Kobe than he does Lefraud.

Leblah has no excuse. He STILL averaged 17 because he stood flat footed at the 3pt line all series, which made things very easy on Kidd. Lebron averaged 17 without even trying which just goes to show how talented Lebron is, he averaged 17 basically on accident. The only explanation is that Lebron has no desire to step up and take the moment. He's either scared or he flat out doesn't care, I dont know which but it is what it is as Kobe would say.

 

[Cheesebeef]

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/showthread.php?t=167164

I know Lebron is your new favorite player, but you should stick to your own team.

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/showthread.php?t=167164

Haha.

mulli, even as a joke, that doesn't make any sense.

loved that he made you and Donald look like schmucks in the eastern conference playoffs, but love watched him look like a schmuck in the finals even more!

 

[Mulli]

mulli, even as a joke, that doesn't make any sense.

loved that he made you and Donald look like schmucks in the eastern conference playoffs, but love watched him look like a schmuck in the finals even more!

I didn't need him to make me look like a schmuck, I do that all by myself. thanks!

It was like people said, Bulls weren't ready.

Now, what small forward do you see the Suns taking to play power forward?

 

[Bert]

I didn't need him to make me look like a schmuck, I do that all by myself. thanks!

It was like people said, Bulls weren't ready.

Now, what small forward do you see the Suns taking to play power forward?

Below the belt bro, there's no need to go start beating up kids in the special ed department just cuz you're having a bad day!

 

[Mulli]

Below the belt bro, there's no need to go start beating up kids in the special ed department just cuz you're having a bad day!

haha.

 

[Bert]

haha.

You're just jealous cuz our center shoots 3's better than yours!

 

[AfroSuns]

If the Heat lose this series, all will be forgiven in my book. If they go on and win a couple championships after this year, I'll be fine with it. A little humble pie will make Lebron a lot more likeable. I'm sure a lot of people will feel the same way.

No chance of this happening now, at least not next season with Lebrat's immature comments.

“They have to wake up and have the same life that they had before they woke up today … the same personal problems,” James said. “I’m going to continue to live the way that I want to live. … But they have to get back to the real world at some point.”

True, but he forgot this same fans with "personal problems" are putting money in his pockets by watching the game.
Dude needs to know when to shut the F*** up.

 

[Lorenzo]

Jason Kidd at this stage in his career should be shredded by Kobe and LeBron James. Why wasn't he?

this was all about team defense. everyone wants to make this about lebron and that's fine because the media gave him a crown before he ever played a game in the NBA and they gave the heat the title when they beat chicago and other than barkley....they were mostly all wrong from day 1. and what makes me laugh is now that same media is blasting lebron for being a self proclaimed king?? no the media has hyped this guy. If you tell a guy he is great enough times and let him off the hook time and time again when he falls short....of corse he's gonna act that way. In a game where you are defined by rings...how do people keep calling him the best player in the league year after year? he is not MJ and never will be. he just needs to be lebron.

this was about dallas.


I saw marion on jim rhome today and he kept talking about team defense and how they had several guys guarding lebron and wade and on top of that always had one of their 7 footers showing in the paint. meaning if lebron/wade/durant/kobe/westbrook etc all put the ball on the floor to drive it was team defense. not one on one. having athletic 7 footers like chandler and dirk to help come on the perimeter and run back to rebound was a huge difference as well. they got outrebounded at times because of it, but you have to give them credit for getting the ones that counted the most in the 4th quarter of games.

at some point you have to credit the mavs D. because they beat kobe, durant, and lebron, while not comprimising with the likes of westbrook, gasol, bynum, wade, bosh, etc. this was no fluke or only lebron's fault. I think the mavericks defense clearly frustrated him and wade. and in the 4th quarter they have the best closer that the game has seen in the last few years alongside kobe. you can't guard a guy that shoots 50% when he is taking a tough contested shot. it's just unstoppable. this is what lebron needs to work on to be a champ.

 

[Cheesebeef]

this was all about team defense. everyone wants to make this about lebron and that's fine because the media gave him a crown before he ever played a game in the NBA and they gave the heat the title when they beat chicago and other than barkley....they were mostly all wrong from day 1. and what makes me laugh is now that same media is blasting lebron for being a self proclaimed king?? no the media has hyped this guy. If you tell a guy he is great enough times and let him off the hook time and time again when he falls short....of corse he's gonna act that way.

this was about dallas.


I saw marion on jim rhome today and he kept talking about team defense and how they had several guys guarding lebron and wade and on top of that always had one of their 7 footers showing in the paint. meaning if lebron/wade/durant/kobe/westbrook etc all put the ball on the floor to drive it was team defense. not one on one. having athletic 7 footers like chandler and dirk to help come on the perimeter and run back to rebound was a huge difference as well. they got outrebounded at times because of it, but you have to give them credit for getting the ones that counted the most in the 4th quarter of games.

at some point you have to credit the mavs D. because they beat kobe, durant, and lebron, while not comprimising with the likes of westbrook, gasol, bynum, wade, bosh, etc. this was no fluke or only lebron's fault. I think the mavericks defense clearly frustrated him and wade.

I DEFINITELY think the Mavs played very good on LeBron but I also think LeBron deserves a decent amount of blame for just flat out shrinking from the moment. The guy was playing hot potato with the ball for the last 4 games of this series. Some of that was no doubt due to frustration he probably had his first couple games, no matter how frustrated he was, it doesn't explain him flat out just getting rid of the ball immediately for what seemed like the overwhelming majority of each game and definitely the fourth quarters.

what happened to Bron was a combo of the two, very good help defense that a world class ass-beater still should have attacked but shriveled up against and didn't even seem to try once it got in his head.

even more amazing to me was how he just flat out melted down on D. that dude was EVERYWHERE in the previous three series and once terry called him out and his offense went south, he took his defense with it. I mean, Rose couldn't get around him at all and Terry just started blowing past him and sticking jumpers in his face with his hand down. his letdown on D was almost as bizarre as his no-show on O.

 

[Lorenzo]

I DEFINITELY think the Mavs played very good on LeBron but I also think LeBron deserves a decent amount of blame for just flat out shrinking from the moment. The guy was playing hot potato with the ball for the last 4 games of this series. Some of that was no doubt due to frustration he probably had his first couple games, no matter how frustrated he was, it doesn't explain him flat out just getting rid of the ball immediately for what seemed like the overwhelming majority of each game and definitely the fourth quarters.

what happened to Bron was a combo of the two, very good help defense that a world class ass-beater still should have attacked but shriveled up against and didn't even seem to try once it got in his head.

even more amazing to me was how he just flat out melted down on D. that dude was EVERYWHERE in the previous three series and once terry called him out and his offense went south, he took his defense with it. I mean, Rose couldn't get around him at all and Terry just started blowing past him and sticking jumpers in his face with his hand down. his letdown on D was almost as bizarre as his no-show on O.

hey I agree with you there. dirk took the same beating in 06, although he didn't shrink in those games nearly as bad and never had the pressure of being "the king". but nevertheless his career pretty much tanked from a national perspective after that series while dwade's took off. it is what it is. miami played good defense on dirk in that series. they exposed his weaknesses and golden state picked up where they left off the next year. and what did he do? he worked out on his game and it made him stronger.

as far as terry being guarded? it's almost impossible to guard him because he is a complimentary piece and is a jumpshooter first...and a darn good one. rose was the only option for chicago....1st, 2nd, and 3rd. not to mention lebron could basically crowd him and force him to take a tough shot(which is his weakness) because when rose tried to penetrate lebron had help too. terry is not rose. he is a shoot first guy that will drive second when you crowd him. then dallas has other scorers who you can't leave to help in the paint. also terry runs around the court without the ball. something that probably is tough for lebron to deal with.

 

[Cheesebeef]

then dallas has other scorers who you can't leave to help in the paint. also terry runs around the court without the ball. something that probably is tough for lebron to deal with.

that's a good point. it's a lot different chasing someone around then it is just locking on someone who always has the ball.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

No chance of this happening now, at least not next season with Lebrat's immature comments.

“They have to wake up and have the same life that they had before they woke up today … the same personal problems,” James said. “I’m going to continue to live the way that I want to live. … But they have to get back to the real world at some point.”

True, but he forgot this same fans with "personal problems" are putting money in his pockets by watching the game.
Dude needs to know when to shut the F*** up.

THIS!

Any grief that LeBron gets - he definitely brings on himself.

 

[chickenhead]

He is totally complicit in the hype. Obviously he needs better people coaching him on PR. Still, the fact is that he's made the outlandish statements himself, too. Being told you're the greatest every day probably does mess with your head. But you know what, being told you're the worst every day does too, and a lot of people manage to overcome that.

Anyway, total credit to the Mavs. LeBron may have faded, but they had a hand in it. The bottom line is that they are the last team standing, and that's where all the credit lies--especially in long playoffs like the NBA and NHL.

 

[cly2tw]

Congratulations to the Mavs!

They deserved it with a real team performance throughout the playoffs under great coaching.

 

[TheHopToad]

Oops!

Pretty sure somebody in the advertising department at the Miami Herald just got fired...

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http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/2011/06/miami_herald_runs_macys_ad_con.php

 

[Folster]

Oops!

Pretty sure somebody in the advertising department at the Miami Herald just got fired...
http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/2011/06/miami_herald_runs_macys_ad_con.php

That ad has probably been running since "The Decision". "Not two, not three......"

 

[elindholm]

I'd think you could get those shirts for 50% off now.

 

[Lorenzo]

have you guys seen decision part II?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=9NHRD10DmCc

 

[Covert Rain]

I'd think you could get those shirts for 50% off now.

50%? I am sure it just boosted toilet paper and bonfire material supplies.