2011 NBA Playoffs Thread

[Lorenzo]

you said the same thing about Chicago.

The Big 3 aren't going to average 90 ppg and don't need to. Come on man, you're basically saying LeBron, Wade and Bosh ALL need to average 30 PPG to win the series. that's silly.

maybe so, but this is not the bulls porous offensive game. dallas won't average in the 80's in this series. they will score in the 90's on average. take that to the bank. dallas will put pressure on miami to score the ball.

 

[Lorenzo]

who has had the tougher road to the finals? dallas or miami?

i think it is pretty clear. dallas' first round opponent was picked to beat them. that says it all. 76ers...a big joke.

 

[Cheesebeef]

maybe so, but this is not the bulls porous offensive game. dallas won't average in the 80's in this series. they will score in the 90's on average. take that to the bank. dallas will put pressure on miami to score the ball.

i realize that, but Dallas also is not the defensive squad that Chicago was either. And the Heat averaged 102 ppg in the regular season. it's not like they can't score the basketball.

 

[Cheesebeef]

who has had the tougher road to the finals? dallas or miami?

i think it is pretty clear. dallas' first round opponent was picked to beat them. that says it all. 76ers...a big joke.

Probably Dallas, but not by much. They kicked the crap out of the Lakers which no one saw coming, but a lot of people were picking the Celtics and the Bulls to beat Miami as well.

 

[Lorenzo]

i realize that, but Dallas also is not the defensive squad that Chicago was either. And the Heat averaged 102 ppg in the regular season. it's not like they can't score the basketball.

you have to throw that out.

LA averaged 101 pts per game in the reg season. we talked about how the mavs would get beat in that series in 4 to 5 games. dallas is an above average defensive team and they are much more explosive than anything the heat have seen in the playoffs. also they are bigger and more talented(in size) than what the heat have faced. who's going to guard dirk? bosh? lol. we've already seen that. their best chance is putting james on dirk in the clutch. but dirk's fade away jumpers don't airball like rose's.

 

[Lorenzo]

Probably Dallas, but not by much. They kicked the crap out of the Lakers which no one saw coming, but a lot of people were picking the Celtics and the Bulls to beat Miami as well.

not by much? are you kidding me? what happened to the lakers? I wish the mavs would have had 76ers in the first round. then they would have 1 loss in the playoffs as compared to 3. it's not even close in that regard.

the mavs played(according to you) the best team in the NBA in the second round. and they swept them. end of arguement.

 

[Cheesebeef]

you have to throw that out.

LA averaged 101 pts per game in the reg season. we talked about how the mavs would get beat in that series in 4 to 5 games. dallas is an above average defensive team and they are much more explosive than anything the heat have seen in the playoffs.

agreed that they're more explosive than any team the Heat has seen in the playoffs, but the Heat are a MUCH BETTER defensive team than anything Dallas has faced in the playoffs as well.

also they are bigger and more talented(in size) than what the heat have faced.

defensively they're not. Chicago and Boston had just as much size defensively as Dallas has.

who's going to guard dirk? bosh? lol. we've already seen that. their best chance is putting james on dirk in the clutch. but dirk's fade away jumpers don't airball like rose's.

no one can guard Dirk, but by the same token, no one can guard LeBron and there's literally no one they can even try to put on him. Same with Wade.

It'll be interesting to see what Bron can do, if anything, to bother Dirk. Maybe he can push him around (and he won't bite on pump fakes), but dude's 5 inches taller than Bron and just killing it.

i think this is an insanely evenly matched series and HCA is what gives the Heat the slight edge at the end of the day.

 

[Lorenzo]

agreed that they're more explosive than any team the Heat has seen in the playoffs, but the Heat are a MUCH BETTER defensive team than anything Dallas has faced in the playoffs as well.



defensively they're not. Chicago and Boston had just as much size defensively as Dallas has.


no one can guard Dirk, but by the same token, no one can guard LeBron and there's literally no one they can even try to put on him. Same with Wade.

It'll be interesting to see what Bron can do, if anything, to bother Dirk. Maybe he can push him around (and he won't bite on pump fakes), but dude's 5 inches taller than Bron and just killing it.

i think this is an insanely evenly matched series and HCA is what gives the Heat the slight edge at the end of the day.

I would argue that LA and portland were close to the defensive team that Miami is. especially the lakers. wasn't odom the dirk stopper? and wasn't gasol going to cancel out dirk's points? i don't know that was the rumor.

we will see. but but I don't think home court matters in this series. dallas has lost 2 road games in the playoffs. miami has lost 3 right? that goes out the window. miami better win the first 2 at home or they might not return home.

 

[Cheesebeef]

not by much? are you kidding me? what happened to the lakers? I wish the mavs would have had 76ers in the first round. then they would have 1 loss in the playoffs as compared to 3. it's not even close in that regard.

the mavs played(according to you) the best team in the NBA in the second round. and they swept them. end of arguement.

oh boy... here comes uber-defensive lorenzo.

A) you can't keep pounding your chest about Dallas NOT getting upset int he first round and counting that as an "upset". The Blazers are a solid squad, and a couple people picked Dallas as their upset special, but they were still favored by most people (and more importantly Vegas) to win that series.

B) Yes, they kicked the crap out of the Lakers, but OKC, with HCA was nowhere near the challenge of playing the Bulls without HCA.

C) You say "they swept the best team" according to me and that ends the argument. But according to YOU the Heat were going to lose to both Boston AND Chicago... and they beat both easily. Sounds like a tough road to me when you say they should lose two series in a row and don't, no?

they both played the old Lions in each conference and did away with them easily (the Mavs doing it without HCA), then did away with the young pups in the same fashion (the Heat doing it without HCA).

thus, they went through a similar road and the Mavs was slightly tougher. don't really see a problem with that.

I mean, you can slight the Celtics and Bulls now in hindsight (even though you thought they'd beat the Heat), but couldn't i just as easily shred the Lakers the same? I'm not gonna do that, but if that's how you want to play it, be my guest, but a little consistency in your argument would make for a better discussion.

 

[Lorenzo]

oh boy... here comes uber-defensive lorenzo.

A) you can't keep pounding your chest about Dallas NOT getting upset int he first round and counting that as an "upset". The Blazers are a solid squad, and a couple people picked Dallas as their upset special, but they were still favored by most people (and more importantly Vegas) to win that series.

B) Yes, they kicked the crap out of the Lakers, but OKC, with HCA was nowhere near the challenge of playing the Bulls without HCA.

C) You say "they swept the best team" according to me and that ends the argument. But according to YOU the Heat were going to lose to both Boston AND Chicago... and they beat both easily. Sounds like a tough road to me when you say they should lose two series in a row and don't, no?

they both played the old Lions in each conference and did away with them easily (the Mavs doing it without HCA), then did away with the young pups in the same fashion (the Heat doing it without HCA).

thus, they went through a similar road and the Mavs was slightly tougher. don't really see a problem with that.

I mean, you can slight the Celtics and Bulls now in hindsight (even though you thought they'd beat the Heat), but couldn't i just as easily shred the Lakers the same? I'm not gonna do that, but if that's how you want to play it, be my guest, but a little consistency in your argument would make for a better discussion.

I agree. I was wrong in some ways. the main difference is that dallas had a much tougher 1st round opponenet. a tougher second round oppononent(especially when you consider rondo's one arm). I mean that was huge. how many people on here whine about raja bells strained calf in the 2006 WCF?

from there I think the 3rd round series was pretty much equally tough for both teams.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I would argue that LA and portland were close to the defensive team that Miami is. especially the lakers. wasn't odom the dirk stopper? and wasn't gasol going to cancel out dirk's points? i don't know that was the rumor.

the Blazers are close to the defensive team that Miami is? are you freaking kidding me? They gave up 47% shooting for the season. And the Lakers were a good defensive team up front, but they didn't have the perimeter defenders that Miami does and that's a huge difference in being able to close out on perimeter shooters.

there will be no stopping Dirk in this series. that's a given, but if you expect to continue to get wide open looks from point land, I think you're in for a surprise.

we will see. but but I don't think home court matters in this series. dallas has lost 2 road games in the playoffs. miami has lost 3 right? that goes out the window. miami better win the first 2 at home or they might not return home.

ok.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I agree. I was wrong in some ways. the main difference is that dallas had a much tougher 1st round opponenet. a tougher second round oppononent(especially when you consider rondo's one arm). I mean that was huge. how many people on here whine about raja bells strained calf in the 2006 WCF?

I don't... and they had just kicked the snot of the Celtics the last three times (two in the playoffs) they played them with a healthy Rondo... and if we're going to start making excuses for teams, you can't tell me that it was ALL Dallas' D that made Gasol go into a shell. He'd been there for 6 games already in the Hornets series.

Excuses are like ********... everyone got one. But I think it's lame to bring up whatever shut Pau down as as reason why the Lakers series was easier for Dallas, just the same as the Rondo thing. If the guy is out there (either Pau or Rondo) they're good enough to play... PERIOD.

 

[Lorenzo]

the Blazers are close to the defensive team that Miami is? are you freaking kidding me? They gave up 47% shooting for the season. And the Lakers were a good defensive team up front, but they didn't have the perimeter defenders that Miami does and that's a huge difference in being able to close out on perimeter shooters.

there will be no stopping Dirk in this series. that's a given, but if you expect to continue to get wide open looks from point land, I think you're in for a surprise.



ok.

the heat have better perimeter defenders than the lakers yes. but they are not the front line that the lakers are either. dirk can score anywhere that he wants to from the court. and who is going to stop chandler and haywood from getting easy dunks? i guess anthony will. I think dallas will outscore miami in the paint which can lead to perimeter shots.

 

[Lorenzo]

I don't... and they had just kicked the snot of the Celtics the last three times (two in the playoffs) they played them with a healthy Rondo... and if we're going to start making excuses for teams, you can't tell me that it was ALL Dallas' D that made Gasol go into a shell. He'd been there for 6 games already in the Hornets series.

Excuses are like ********... everyone got one. But I think it's lame to bring up whatever shut Pau down as as reason why the Lakers series was easier for Dallas, just the same as the Rondo thing. If the guy is out there (either Pau or Rondo) they're good enough to play... PERIOD.

either way the lakers were better than the celtics. whether rondo was hurt or not. the blazers were better than the 76ers. and according to you OKC was the one team that could push the lakers. so that must mean that they could push the bulls in a series too. dallas' road was tougher by more than just a little. sorry it is true and you know it.

 

[slinslin]

not by much? are you kidding me? what happened to the lakers? I wish the mavs would have had 76ers in the first round. then they would have 1 loss in the playoffs as compared to 3. it's not even close in that regard.

the mavs played(according to you) the best team in the NBA in the second round. and they swept them. end of arguement.

Sorry but the Lakers never were the best team and Miami will wipe the floor with the Mavs.

 

[Lorenzo]

Sorry but the Lakers never were the best team and Miami will wipe the floor with the Mavs.

ok. and amare still plays for the suns because you have a picture of him in a suns jersey.

 

[Covert Rain]

i realize that, but Dallas also is not the defensive squad that Chicago was either. And the Heat averaged 102 ppg in the regular season. it's not like they can't score the basketball.

BINGO cheesebeef. The Mavs have not faced a defensive squad yet in the playoffs as good as the Heat. The Heat team they will face now is not the same team from earlier in the season. Chicago has a much better defense then the Mavs do and the Heat still scored in bunches.

Now factor in that we have seen some really bad defense by the Mavs a few times in games and the Heat will have an easier time scoring on the Mavs than Chicago. The Mavs can't stop the Heat offensively IMO.

So, that means Dallas is going to have to rely on the fact that a couple players (Besides) Dirk have to show up every single game offensively, hope the Heat don't play well defensively and the Mavs play better defensively then Chicago did.

I see that happening maybe once or twice but 4 out of 7 games?? I just don't see it.

 

[Cheesebeef]

either way the lakers were better than the celtics. whether rondo was hurt or not. the blazers were better than the 76ers. and according to you OKC was the one team that could push the lakers. so that must mean that they could push the bulls in a series too. dallas' road was tougher by more than just a little. sorry it is true and you know it.

wait, so my opinions are gospel now (in saying the Lakers were the best and OKC could push them) and that makes the entire argument... and your opinion that the Celtics and Bulls were better than Miami holds no water? Sorry man... that makes no sense. again, try to have some consistency here. If you're going to use my prognostication of the playoffs as proof of anything, how you just ignore your own is beyond me.

and you're "if they could win that series, must mean they could win the next series too" crap is just that. crap. I picked Dallas to win the series against OKC. Stop putting inane words/arguments into my mouth. you're starting to come off like a bitch.

bottom line, if you're going to use my words as proof that the Mavs had a tougher road (even though I thought they'd only lose one series), you're words that they would lose TWO series indicates their road was pretty tough as well.

was Dallas tougher? yes. i've said that already, but it wasn't by much.

 

[Lorenzo]

BINGO cheesebeef. The Mavs have not faced a defensive squad yet in the playoffs as good as the Heat. The Heat team they will face now is not the same team from earlier in the season. Chicago has a much better defense then the Mavs do and the Heat still scored in bunches.

Now factor in that we have seen some really bad defense by the Mavs a few times in games and the Heat will have an easier time scoring on the Mavs than Chicago. The Mavs can stop the Heat offensively.

So, that means Dallas is going to have to rely on the fact that a couple players have to show up every single game offensively, hope the Heat don't play well defensively and the Mavs play better defensively then Chicago did.

I see that happening maybe once or twice but 4 out of 7 games?? I just don't see it.

really bad defense by the mavs? I think they gave up in the 90's on average in the playoffs. and that was against western conference teams that can actually score the ball. what offensive potent team have the heat faced? the bulls? lol. wait the celtics...lol no.. wait the 76ers? lol wait...no. oh crap.

 

[Lorenzo]

wait, so my opinions are gospel now (in saying the Lakers were the best and OKC could push them) and that makes the entire argument... and your opinion that the Celtics and Bulls were better than Miami holds no water? Sorry man... that makes no sense. again, try to have some consistency here. If you're going to use my prognostication of the playoffs as proof of anything, how you just ignore your own is beyond me.

and you're "if they could win that series, must mean they could win the next series too" crap is just that. crap. I picked Dallas to win the series against OKC. Stop putting inane words/arguments into my mouth. you're starting to come off like a bitch.

bottom line, if you're going to use my words as proof that the Mavs had a tougher road (even though I thought they'd only lose one series), you're words that they would lose TWO series indicates their road was pretty tough as well.

was Dallas tougher? yes. i've said that already, but it wasn't by much.

go easy man. it's just my opinion. you said that the mavs were toilet paper soft.

I'm just saying they had a tougher road to the finals than the heat. and I don't think it is going to take some epic 7 game series for them to beat the heat in the finals. that is just my opinion. if you dont' agree with me then it wouldn't be the first time.

I was wrong about the heat. they are better than I thought they were. and I think they will be tough for dallas.

 

[Cheesebeef]

really bad defense by the mavs? I think they gave up in the 90's on average in the playoffs. and that was against western conference teams that can actually score the ball. what offensive potent team have the heat faced? the bulls? lol. wait the celtics...lol no.. wait the 76ers? lol wait...no. oh crap.

the Mavs D looked great in the first two rounds but they looked pretty suspect giving up 101 ppg to OKC. That has to scare you a little bit. That was basically a 2 man team and a young one at that.

 

[Cheesebeef]

go easy man. it's just my opinion. you said that the mavs were toilet paper soft.

and i said I was wrong. what's your point?

I'm just saying they had a tougher road to the finals than the heat.

and i agree with you. i just don't think it was some grand canyon size difference like you made it out to be... nor did I declare the argument OVER and claim victory like you did.

and I don't think it is going to take some epic 7 game series for them to beat the heat in the finals. that is just my opinion. if you dont' agree with me then it wouldn't be the first time.

I was wrong about the heat. they are better than I thought they were. and I think they will be tough for dallas.

agreed.

 

[Lorenzo]

the Mavs D looked great in the first two rounds but they looked pretty suspect giving up 101 ppg to OKC. That has to scare you a little bit. That was basically a 2 man team and a young one at that.

the worst guy that hurt them was harden because he passed the ball to guys in the paint for easy points. like ibaka, perkins, and collison.

but then again they beat OKC in 5 games. so I'm not that worried. I think OKC has a better offensive club than miami. but miami is clearly a better defensive club than OKC

 

[Lorenzo]

and i said I was wrong. what's your point?



and i agree with you. i just don't think it was some grand canyon size difference like you made it out to be... nor did I declare the argument OVER and claim victory like you did.



agreed.

my bad cheesebeef. I'm not trying to make this into some type of big deal. you are probably the best poster on here.

in reality who had the tougher road doesn't mean jack. it is 0-0 now. the better team will win the finals plain and simple.

 

[Russ Smith]

I think Barea might be the key to this series, Miami has no quick PG. Chalmers is a good defender but Barea is really quick.

Anthony is the main shot blocker they're long as a team but Barea was really good against OKC when to shoot when to pass on the drive. If he does that in the Miami series he could be really tough for them to guard.

And if they have to play Chalmers a lot for defense, it hurts them on offense.