2011 NBA Playoffs Thread

[Covert Rain]

really bad defense by the mavs? I think they gave up in the 90's on average in the playoffs. and that was against western conference teams that can actually score the ball. what offensive potent team have the heat faced? the bulls? lol. wait the celtics...lol no.. wait the 76ers? lol wait...no. oh crap.

I said we have seen some really bad defense. Do you want me to recap the games where they let the opposing teams shoot over 50% for stretches and go on runs during the games they lost? There were terrible for the most part against the Thunder and as I stated before the Thunder's poor execution down stretches had more to do with those losses than the Mavs defense.

The Mavs give up more points per game than the Heat. They also allow teams to shoot almost 45% versus the Heat's 41%. The Mavs give up more second chance points then the Heat. Miami is the 2nd best defensive rebounding team in the playoffs and the Mavs are #10. Miami is the 3rd best blocking team in the playoffs and the Mavs are #12.

The Mavs first 3 opponents all were in the bottom 8 playoff teams in defensive play. The Heat's 3 first opponents were all in the top 8 in defensive play. The Mavs are only scoring 6.8 more points per game than the Heat despite playing against inferior defensive teams.

Nothing about that says....advantage Mavs. Look, I don't think it's going to be a blow out series like some people have posted. I just don't see the Mavs winning this in 7. There is nothing I have seen so far to suggest that.

 

[slinslin]

I think Barea might be the key to this series, Miami has no quick PG. Chalmers is a good defender but Barea is really quick.

Anthony is the main shot blocker they're long as a team but Barea was really good against OKC when to shoot when to pass on the drive. If he does that in the Miami series he could be really tough for them to guard.

And if they have to play Chalmers a lot for defense, it hurts them on offense.

I can't see Barea being much of a factor. If he ever does Wade or Lebron on him should take care of that quickly.

 

[Folster]

Wade will be the X factor. If he is still gimpy, then Dallas has a chance. Wade's injury-proneness will be the reason the Heat don't rattle off a long string of Championships IMO.

 

[Lorenzo]

I said we have seen some really bad defense. Do you want me to recap the games where they let the opposing teams shoot over 50% for stretches and go on runs during the games they lost? There were terrible for the most part against the Thunder and as I stated before the Thunder's poor execution down stretches had more to do with those losses than the Mavs defense.

The Mavs give up more points per game than the Heat. They also allow teams to shoot almost 45% versus the Heat's 41%. The Mavs give up more second chance points then the Heat. Miami is the 2nd best defensive rebounding team in the playoffs and the Mavs are #10. Miami is the 3rd best blocking team in the playoffs and the Mavs are #12.

The Mavs first 3 opponents all were in the bottom 8 playoff teams in defensive play. The Heat's 3 first opponents were all in the top 8 in defensive play. The Mavs are only scoring 6.8 more points per game than the Heat despite playing against inferior defensive teams.

Nothing about that says....advantage Mavs. Look, I don't think it's going to be a blow out series like some people have posted. I just don't see the Mavs winning this in 7. There is nothing I have seen so far to suggest that.

I understand where you are coming from now. and I agree with all of you that the heat are a tough top notch team. and I am not going to argue that they don't deserve to be the favorite going into the finals. Yesterday I was just trying to make for some fun talk.

In fact like cheesebeef said, I was wrong about the miami heat. I'm quick to tell people they were wrong about dallas, but I was wrong about the heat. I thought they would lose to boston or chicago and they won both of those series in 5 games which clearly proves they are the best team end of story.

I do think the mavericks faced some teams that were more lethal at the offensive end. but it's not like the mavericks are a bad defensive team. they made the plays at both ends of the floor of almost every close game in the playoffs. you can say it was the other team that lost it. but at the same time the mavs made the plays to seal the deal at both ends just like miami did in their games.

 

[Lorenzo]

I can't see Barea being much of a factor. If he ever does Wade or Lebron on him should take care of that quickly.

the funny thing about barea is that every time that dude is on the court I say the same thing. I'm yelling at the tv for carlisle to sit him down. yet the dude finds a way to make an impact.

really it doesn't matter who makes an impact. some of them in some form or fashion just have to step up every game. some games it jj, some its peja, others its terry doing it all. brewer might actually play this series because of miami's size on the perimeter. then there is the unsung hero haywood. that guy is playing very well as a back up center.

 

[Lorenzo]

Wade will be the X factor. If he is still gimpy, then Dallas has a chance. Wade's injury-proneness will be the reason the Heat don't rattle off a long string of Championships IMO.

what's wrong with wade?

 

[Mainstreet]

the funny thing about barea is that every time that dude is on the court I say the same thing. I'm yelling at the tv for carlisle to sit him down. yet the dude finds a way to make an impact.

It's easy to dismiss Barea until he steps on the court. This "dude" is very underrated. He certainly knows how to get off his shot against large opponents and most of all he is smart with his game. I liked him a lot before this season rolled around. He is an energizer.

 

[Covert Rain]

what's wrong with wade?

His shoulder has been bothering him. Dude has had to ice it during half time the past few games.

 

[Lorenzo]

It's easy to dismiss Barea until he steps on the court. This "dude" is very underrated. He certainly knows how to get off his shot against large opponents and most of all he is smart with his game. I liked him a lot before this season rolled around. He is an energizer.

yeah...he used to be just a spark plug and still is in some ways. but he has really fit in on this team and has turned into a setup guy too. his game 2 in LA was brilliant and turned that series. I didn't think he would make any type of impact against a defensive team like the lakers, but he did. the good thing is that in this series he can defend the heat PG's and you don't really have to worry about him getting worked by them. kind of like the lakers. a lot of his points in the paint are helped by dirk when he sucks out a shot blocker from under the basket.

 

[Lorenzo]

His shoulder has been bothering him. Dude has had to ice it during half time the past few games.

oh ok. yeah I think i just heard him say that he said his shoulder is good. I had no idea.

 

[Manu4five]

It's easy to dismiss Barea until he steps on the court. This "dude" is very underrated. He certainly knows how to get off his shot against large opponents and most of all he is smart with his game. I liked him a lot before this season rolled around. He is an energizer.

This.

 

[Covert Rain]

oh ok. yeah I think i just heard him say that he said his shoulder is good. I had no idea.

He is going to say that though. He said his shoulder was good before the last game then had huge ice bags on the shoulder at half. I think it might be bothering him more than he is letting on.

 

[Lorenzo]

He is going to say that though. He said his shoulder was good before the last game then had huge ice bags on the shoulder at half. I think it might be bothering him more than he is letting on.

Interesting. I know the news said he didn't practice today and he clearly didn't play well vs chicago. they really missed out on that opportunity because a healthy dwade, plus better help in future years means the bulls might have lost their one chance. I guess we will see, wade has always had health concerns. had he not missed game 7 of the 2005 ECF they might have played the spurs for the title the year before they won.

 

[Lorenzo]

I'm very interested to see how tyson chandler plays in this series. he really needs to average at least a double/double for the mavs to win this series. he should get some easy looks if they double dirk or bring their best defenders away from the basket. he can't be in foul trouble, but it will be tough with wade and lebron attacking the paint.

When OKC went small to end those games I thought that really favored dallas at both ends with chandler on the floor.

 

[Gee!]

I'm very interested to see how tyson chandler plays in this series. he really needs to average at least a double/double for the mavs to win this series. he should get some easy looks if they double dirk or bring their best defenders away from the basket. he can't be in foul trouble, but it will be tough with wade and lebron attacking the paint.

When OKC went small to end those games I thought that really favored dallas at both ends with chandler on the floor.

Again.. Youll be in the fetile position .. In your own body fluids wondering what happened..

My Heat gonna win this..

 

[Lorenzo]

Again.. Youll be in the fetile position .. In your own body fluids wondering what happened..

My Heat gonna win this..

I don't know about all of the fluids that you speak of...to me that description sounds more like chris bosh before a playoff game starts.

just be back when it is dirk holding the trophy over his head and all of the miami people and national media are freaking out that lebron still doesn't have a ring.

 

[BC867]

...when it is dirk holding the trophy over his head and all of the miami people and national media are freaking out that lebron still doesn't have a ring.

I hope so. Maybe LBJ, DWade and Bosch can recruit a fourth superstar to join a new team. Then recruit a fifth the following year to do it again. Then the 6th man of the year to join them, etc., etc., etc.

LeBron's parents didn't realize that the nickname initials LBJ would be a curse, following in the footsteps of Lyndon Baines Johnson, who was eligible to run for another term as President but did not, after his nightly lies about our buildup in Viet Nam.

I hope that "All The Way With LBJ" fails this year, too.

 

[Lorenzo]

I hope so. Maybe LBJ, DWade and Bosch can recruit a fourth superstar to join a new team. Then recruit a fifth the following year to do it again. Then the 6th man of the year to join them, etc., etc., etc.

LeBron's parents didn't realize that the nickname initials LBJ would be a curse, following in the footsteps of Lyndon Baines Johnson, who was eligible to run for another term as President but did not, after his nightly lies about our buildup in Viet Nam.

I hope that "All The Way With LBJ" fails this year, too.

lol

 

[Lorenzo]

I said we have seen some really bad defense. Do you want me to recap the games where they let the opposing teams shoot over 50% for stretches and go on runs during the games they lost? There were terrible for the most part against the Thunder and as I stated before the Thunder's poor execution down stretches had more to do with those losses than the Mavs defense.

The Mavs give up more points per game than the Heat. They also allow teams to shoot almost 45% versus the Heat's 41%. The Mavs give up more second chance points then the Heat. Miami is the 2nd best defensive rebounding team in the playoffs and the Mavs are #10. Miami is the 3rd best blocking team in the playoffs and the Mavs are #12.

The Mavs first 3 opponents all were in the bottom 8 playoff teams in defensive play. The Heat's 3 first opponents were all in the top 8 in defensive play. The Mavs are only scoring 6.8 more points per game than the Heat despite playing against inferior defensive teams.

Nothing about that says....advantage Mavs. Look, I don't think it's going to be a blow out series like some people have posted. I just don't see the Mavs winning this in 7. There is nothing I have seen so far to suggest that.

it's getting boring on here so I brought your post back up. I like this one that you made. But I have to ask you...

are you counting philadelphia as a playoff team in that equation? I don't know that they would have even made the playoffs in the west. but that's just my opinion. of corse miami's defensive numbers are going to be higher when you factor some of the teams that they played had "limited" offensive capabilities. It's not like history hasn't shown us that teams like the spurs have had their defensive numbers comprimised in the playoffs by teams like the suns/mavs only to go on to beat defensive juggernaut teams like the pistons. it's all about being versatile in this league. and the 2 teams that have the most versatility are in the finals now. so while you can be critical of a stretch of the game the fact remains that both of these teams blew through their bracket with only 3 losses. that's pretty impressive.

the difference between the eastern conference and the western conference is simple. in the west the team that won 60 games lost in the first round. in the west teams can score points. It's not like the western confernce doesn't play defense either. the lakers were the 2 time defending champs and known for their halfcourt game and their "length".

that's not to say that miami isn't as great as we all say they are and to diminish their accomplishments. they are great and have 2 of the best players over the last decade on that team. that will be very difficult for dallas to defend and I don't think they will have any better success than what they had trying to stop the durant/westbrook point total.

but at the same time you can't diminish what the mavs accomplished. this western conference is clearly the better conference from top to bottom and the mavs made it through only losing 3 games. the heat did the same thing in the east so this is going to be a very good series to watch.

 

[Cheesewater]

it's getting boring on here so I brought your post back up. I like this one that you made. But I have to ask you...

are you counting philadelphia as a playoff team in that equation? I don't know that they would have even made the playoffs in the west. but that's just my opinion. of corse miami's defensive numbers are going to be higher when you factor some of the teams that they played had "limited" offensive capabilities. It's not like history hasn't shown us that teams like the spurs have had their defensive numbers comprimised in the playoffs by teams like the suns/mavs only to go on to beat defensive juggernaut teams like the pistons. it's all about being versatile in this league. and the 2 teams that have the most versatility are in the finals now. so while you can be critical of a stretch of the game the fact remains that both of these teams blew through their bracket with only 3 losses. that's pretty impressive.

the difference between the eastern conference and the western conference is simple. in the west the team that won 60 games lost in the first round. in the west teams can score points. It's not like the western confernce doesn't play defense either. the lakers were the 2 time defending champs and known for their halfcourt game and their "length".

that's not to say that miami isn't as great as we all say they are and to diminish their accomplishments. they are great and have 2 of the best players over the last decade on that team. that will be very difficult for dallas to defend and I don't think they will have any better success than what they had trying to stop the durant/westbrook point total.

but at the same time you can't diminish what the mavs accomplished. this western conference is clearly the better conference from top to bottom and the mavs made it through only losing 3 games. the heat did the same thing in the east so this is going to be a very good series to watch.

Please don't take offense, I'm honestly just asking but....do you also post to any Mavericks fan boards?

 

[Lorenzo]

Please don't take offense, I'm honestly just asking but....do you also post to any Mavericks fan boards?

nope never have. I lived in phoenix for about 5 years and started posting on here then when I would watch the suns/cardinals/cowboys/and mavs. this is a great forum and I don't know if dallas has one quite like this where you can jump team to team. Maybe they do, but I've never checked.

I've never posted on a cowboys forum because they collectively (particularly outside of dallas) are some of the worst fans out there if not the very worst.

 

[Lorenzo]

well DarenG I guess the mavs being behind in a series has finally come about. let's see if they can prove themselves. but clearly they have to play a lot better or they will lose this series. I think they can bounce back in game 2. but they have to play a lot better.

 

[Covert Rain]

well DarenG I guess the mavs being behind in a series has finally come about. let's see if they can prove themselves. but clearly they have to play a lot better or they will lose this series. I think they can bounce back in game 2. but they have to play a lot better.

Nah...not a big deal yet. It's only game 1 in a long series and the goal is to take at least 1 of the first 2. They say a series doesn't begin until someone loses at home. That's when the pressure starts mounting.

 

[slinslin]

A sweep would not shock me.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Nah...not a big deal yet. It's only game 1 in a long series and the goal is to take at least 1 of the first 2. They say a series doesn't begin until someone loses at home. That's when the pressure starts mounting.

you're starting to become ridiculous with this. seemingly the only way Dallas can prove it's mentally tough to you is if they get down 0-2 and end up being only the second team in NBA History to come back from that deficit in the Finals.

i don't buy it. this Dallas team is mentally tough enough, they're just not talented enough.