2012 Arizona Diamondbacks Season Thread - August Edition

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So where does it end? There is only one reason Goldy was on first base: Javy Guerra took over for starter Stephen Fife with one out and a runner on first base in the fifth inning and drilled Goldschmidt in the shoulder with his first pitch. During the series, Goldschmidt was a one-man wrecking crew, going 8-for-12 with two homers, five RBIs and four runs scored.

Let's say Goldy made that slide to make a statement after he was intentially drilled. All even, right? No, now you are going to throw at his head when the score should be evened out. Now the DBacks drill Jerry... Then the Doyers...Like I said, where does it end?

It ends as follows:

1.) Goldy attacks the mound after being hit and punches out Guerra.
2.) The next time the Dbacks are on the field, whoever is pitching hits Guerra if he bats, or, they hit whomever is hot in the Dodger lineup.

I have a hard time believe that Goldy attacked Hairston like that, simply because he was beaned by Guerra. That would seriously violate one of the most fundamental and unwritten codes in baseball. I think Goldy simply tried to take out Hairston in a very hard attempt to break up the double play. He made a very poor, rookie mistake however, by actually waiting until he passed the bad to start his slide... that is a MAJOR no-no in baseball... He's very lucky Hairston was not seriously hurt...
 
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Neither was purposely plunking him. He was only on first base because they drilled him intentionally. He retaliated. Baseball at it's finest.


Wrong... Baseball at its' finest would've been how I describe above... What Goldy did was simply a very amateurish, rookie mistake. Not cool...
 

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Played SS most of my career... I can totally relate to Hairston's feelings. However, you don't make them public. The most effective way to deal with this is also very simple:

You immediately speak to the rest of the infield and make sure they know that the next time a play at 2nd is happening, to be sure to get the ball to "me" as quickly as possible so that I would have enough time to throw at Goldy's head.
I beaned a few guys in my day... a few times in college it led to some pretty exciting bench-clearing brawls! :D

The bag is typically viewed as the boundary... The runner isn't really supposed to start his slide past the bag... Goldy will learn that in time - hopefully not the hard way! ;)

So if you are playing SS and the runner is charging into 2nd, what is he, 5, 10, 15 feet away? And you throw at his head? You know you could literally kill a guy or maime him for life? That is not cool. Your'e worried about where he starts his slide, yet you fire a baseball at his unprotected head from a few feet away? Say it ain't so 82. I've enjoyed reading a lot of your posts. You have some great thoughts. I didn't see this coming from you.

Goldy has been a Boy Scout out there. He probably got a little overzealous on the slide after being purposely plunked, for only one reason, he was making the Doyers' pitchers look like Little Leaguers. He did nothing else to initiate the plunk ( a few inches higher and it could have hit his neck or head area). Anyone who watched Mattingly's reaction could see he called the pitch. The Doyers were getting schooled by the DBacks and instead of playing better, they took the cowardly way out and threw at Goldy.

To me, that is the real issue, not his slide.

P.S. Thanks for being one of the few New Yorker's who follow the DBacks.
 
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So if you are playing SS and the runner is charging into 2nd, what is he, 5, 10, 15 feet away? And you throw at his head? You know you could literally kill a guy or maime him for life? That is not cool. Your'e worried about where he starts his slide, yet you fire a baseball at his unprotected head from a few feet away? Say it ain't so 82. I've enjoyed reading a lot of your posts. You have some great thoughts. I didn't see this coming from you.

Goldy has been a Boy Scout out there. He probably got a little overzealous on the slide after being purposely plunked, for only one reason, he was making the Doyers' pitchers look like Little Leaguers. He did nothing else to initiate the plunk ( a few inches higher and it could have hit his neck or head area). Anyone who watched Mattingly's reaction could see he called the pitch. The Doyers were getting schooled by the DBacks and instead of playing better, they took the cowardly way out and threw at Goldy.

To me, that is the real issue, not his slide.

P.S. Thanks for being one of the few New Yorker's who follow the DBacks.

Yea... This is one of those areas of the game that doesn't get much discussion, but, is a constant part of the game. For a SS or 2B, you don't have any protection when turning a diouble play. Throwing at a runners head is one way to protect yourself by sending very important message to the opposition... "don't mess with me, or else"...
I still suffer the effects from more than a decade of being crashed into at second base by on-coming runners. My left knee is a great indicator of on-coming rain or when a low pressure system is coming through.
I wanted word to get around that I was the type of player who wouldn't hesitate to toss at the head of the on-coming runner.

As for Goldy getting plunked - of course it was intentional. THAT is as much a staple of the game as any other element of the game.
And, it's simply understood that the most accepted form of retaliation is for the pitcher to get beaned, or, the hot hitter from the other team to get beaned.
Of course, back when I played it was also much more common that a fight would break out. A fight was by far the best, quickest way to settle the issue. It was simply understood that after a brawl, the issue was over for the rest of the game.
Today, MLB has reached a point of seriously frowning on brawls... As a result, you have players (youngsters like Goldy), who aren't clear as to how best to resolve the issue of being plunked.
 

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Took the dog on a nice, long Saturday morning walk to hear the D'Backs take this road trip to 4-0...what a beautiful morning :D
 

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I thought Kennedy looked about as horrible but he wiggled off the hook.
Kennedy didn't have his best stuff once again, but he gave up 2 runs in 6 innings (that equates to an ERA of 3.00) vs. the Phillies starter who gave up 3 runs in 4 innings (yes, he was a reliever making a last-minute start because they traded the starter earlier in the day).

I wouldn't call Kennedy's performance wiggling off the hook. I'd call it a gutsy job that led to our win.
 

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Kennedy didn't have his best stuff once again, but he gave up 2 runs in 6 innings (that equates to an ERA of 3.00) vs. the Phillies starter who gave up 3 runs in 4 innings (yes, he was a reliever making a last-minute start because they traded the starter earlier in the day).

I wouldn't call Kennedy's performance wiggling off the hook. I'd call it a gutsy job that led to our win.

After he walked the bases loaded in the 5th all he could get over were fat fast balls right down the middle of the plate. He's just lucky he didn't get pounded.

The result however was good, just not as good as it looks in the box score.
 

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After he walked the bases loaded in the 5th all he could get over were fat fast balls right down the middle of the plate. He's just lucky he didn't get pounded.

The result however was good, just not as good as it looks in the box score.

Hi command was good for the first few innings. It seems like he runs out of gas at about the 60 pitch mark.
 

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Hi command was good for the first few innings. It seems like he runs out of gas at about the 60 pitch mark.

Philly temperature on Friday - 91°. Humidity - 74%. Heat index - 97°.
Citizens Bank Park roof - nonexistent.

When I lived in N.J. until thirty-four years ago, I ran out of gas as soon
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I know PHI is still considered at power in the NL East and looking at their line-up they still have names in Howard, Rollins & Utley but their offensive production, BA in particular isn't very good. Their offense shouldn't be as dangerous without Victorino & Pence and their staff is really underperforming. ARZ should take this series, IMO.

A couple of stats I find amazing: Justin Upton hit his 100th HR of his career last night, and so did his brother BJ. That's not all, they have homered on the same day 22 times and both hit their 99th career HR on July 20th. Twilight Zone material.
 

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C.Johnson with another rbi. He has 8 in 4 games, nice to have run producer added to our lineup.
 

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A nice day for Upton, but he's still underperforming. The four previous games he's hit .187, then he has a 2-4 day. Then repeat.

There is no doubting that the natural physical ability is there, but that in no way guarantees success. So the great gamble becomes, do we keep him because he's just having a bad year or he's got head problems that are correctable, or do we trade him now, when he still has some market value because we think he'll probably be only slightly better that average, at most, in the future.

I'd like to see if we can get a better, more consistent player(s) for him while we might.
 

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A nice day for Upton, but he's still underperforming. The four previous games he's hit .187, then he has a 2-4 day. Then repeat.

There is no doubting that the natural physical ability is there, but that in no way guarantees success. So the great gamble becomes, do we keep him because he's just having a bad year or he's got head problems that are correctable, or do we trade him now, when he still has some market value because we think he'll probably be only slightly better that average, at most, in the future.

I'd like to see if we can get a better, more consistent player(s) for him while we might.
We have felt that about Justin Upton and Chris Young (as well as Stephen Drew). As a teenage fan in N.J. of the Brooklyn Dodgers, I enjoyed the talent and diversity of baseball's first modern integrated team.

The D'backs front office, though, has put the team in the position of having only two African Americans on the 25-man roster -- Upton and Young.

Josh Bell is the only other when the 40-man roster opens in September.

It shouldn't be a factor, but if trades were arranged to give Upton and Young fresh starts elsewhere, we would have zero African Americans on the team if Caucasians, Hispanics or Asians were obtained in return.

As a fan, I am not pleased that the front office has caused this to even be a factor. Just another reason why the D'backs are evidently not well respected throughout the league.
 

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We have felt that about Justin Upton and Chris Young (as well as Stephen Drew). As a teenage fan in N.J. of the Brooklyn Dodgers, I enjoyed the talent and diversity of baseball's first modern integrated team.

The D'backs front office, though, has put the team in the position of having only two African Americans on the 25-man roster -- Upton and Young.

Josh Bell is the only other when the 40-man roster opens in September.

It shouldn't be a factor, but if trades were arranged to give Upton and Young fresh starts elsewhere, we would have zero African Americans on the team if Caucasians, Hispanics or Asians were obtained in return.

As a fan, I am not pleased that the front office has caused this to even be a factor. Just another reason why the D'backs are evidently not well respected throughout the league.

...so what's the problem?
 

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Good game up until the 8th inning when David Hernandez crapped the bed.
 

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We have felt that about Justin Upton and Chris Young (as well as Stephen Drew). As a teenage fan in N.J. of the Brooklyn Dodgers, I enjoyed the talent and diversity of baseball's first modern integrated team.

The D'backs front office, though, has put the team in the position of having only two African Americans on the 25-man roster -- Upton and Young.

Josh Bell is the only other when the 40-man roster opens in September.

It shouldn't be a factor, but if trades were arranged to give Upton and Young fresh starts elsewhere, we would have zero African Americans on the team if Caucasians, Hispanics or Asians were obtained in return.

As a fan, I am not pleased that the front office has caused this to even be a factor. Just another reason why the D'backs are evidently not well respected throughout the league.

This might be the single most ridiculous post I have EVER read on ASFN, and that's saying something.
 
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Good game up until the 8th inning when David Hernandez crapped the bed.

The blame really belongs on Blanco. He should have blocked the first wild pitch instead of trying to backhand it...At the point in the game, you do all you can to not let the ball get by you.
Then, an even worse mistake was at the play at home when he failed to block the plate. He was actually behind the plate which allowed the runner to easily get his foot in before Blanco could reach over the plate to apply the tag.

Horrendous loss though. Cahill pitched a great game. Hernandez looked great as well... the Phillies never got a ball out of the infield against him...

A side note: Has anyone been getting a bit concerned with Kubel's strikeouts? He's having a great season for sure, but - the dude swings and misses and strikeouts way more than I would like to see. I think he's up to roughly 110 K's on the season! Just seems so odd for a guy with his offensive totals.
 

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The blame really belongs on Blanco. He should have blocked the first wild pitch instead of trying to backhand it...At the point in the game, you do all you can to not let the ball get by you.
Then, an even worse mistake was at the play at home when he failed to block the plate. He was actually behind the plate which allowed the runner to easily get his foot in before Blanco could reach over the plate to apply the tag.

Horrendous loss though. Cahill pitched a great game. Hernandez looked great as well... the Phillies never got a ball out of the infield against him...

A side note: Has anyone been getting a bit concerned with Kubel's strikeouts? He's having a great season for sure, but - the dude swings and misses and strikeouts way more than I would like to see. I think he's up to roughly 110 K's on the season! Just seems so odd for a guy with his offensive totals.

I noticed the k's as well..... Hope it isn't an indicator of things to come.... :eek:
 

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Dbacks play Pittsburgh 4 game series
Giants play Cardinals 4 game series
Dodgers play Rockies 3 game series
 

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A side note: Has anyone been getting a bit concerned with Kubel's strikeouts? He's having a great season for sure, but - the dude swings and misses and strikeouts way more than I would like to see. I think he's up to roughly 110 K's on the season! Just seems so odd for a guy with his offensive totals.

Yes, but I think it's a symptom of him trying too hard. I saw him live in LA last tuesday and he didnt seem right. Swinging st bsd pitches and getting into too many 0-2 counts. His average has also gone down 20 points since the 3 home run game; eerily similar to Josh Hamilton, who after hitting 4 HRs in one game, has hit .154 since.

Still love what he's done for the team. Still takes a back seat to the (almost) Hebrew Hammer in my book. Goldschmidt!!


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This might be the single most ridiculous post I have EVER read on ASFN, and that's saying something.
You're absolutely right! I had a brain fart and was thinking of Sarver and the Suns. Thanks.
 
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