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Man Howard was not even on the radar for the #1 pick until a month before the draft.

Who cares about a month before. By the time the draft came around MOST experts valued him above all others. And I don't buy your month before comment either but my damned time machine is broken. Even without dialing up the way-back device, I do know that Rivals had long considered him the number one high school prospect.

I'm not the college basketball junkie I used to be but up until a couple of years ago I watched a LOT of college ball. I heard and read his name and his story often long before the draft. I can't speak for your planet but here on earth the guy was very highly regarded.

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Who cares about a month before. By the time the draft came around MOST experts valued him above all others. And I don't buy your month before comment either but my damned time machine is broken. Even without dialing up the way-back device, I do know that Rivals had long considered him the number one high school prospect.

I'm not the college basketball junkie I used to be but up until a couple of years ago I watched a LOT of college ball. I heard and read his name and his story often long before the draft. I can't speak for your planet but here on earth the guy was very highly regarded.

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Believe me Howard was not on the radar until there was a SLAM issue shortly before the draft about a young kid breaking backboards.

The point is we are not even past march madness and some scout source of Chad Ford apparenlty wants to tell us that Anthony Davis is not in the Derek Rose / Dwight Howard class while actually at the same point of time he has way more hype than Rose or Howard.

See Anthony Davis (or others)dominate in march madness and suddenly scouts will change their tune again.
 

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Believe me Howard was not on the radar until there was a SLAM issue shortly before the draft about a young kid breaking backboards.

The point is we are not even past march madness and some scout source of Chad Ford apparenlty wants to tell us that Anthony Davis is not in the Derek Rose / Dwight Howard class while actually at the same point of time he has way more hype than Rose or Howard.

See Anthony Davis (or others)dominate in march madness and suddenly scouts will change their tune again.

Google Dwight Howard college recruiting and explain to me how so many of those sites had him ranked as the number one prospect. He was quite well known. Perhaps he didn't hit your radar but I knew of him well before the draft and I make no special claim to knowledge when it comes to high school players.

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Howard was getting his high school games televised because he was such an elite prospect. At the time it was basically a split decision on whether he or Okafor should be the #1 pick.

Edit- I do think Davis is a superior prospect than Rose was at the same stage.
 
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And I don't buy your month before comment either but my damned time machine is broken.
Fortunately, there's always the Internet Archive.

For example, here's nbadraft.net's 2004 mock draft from July 18th, 2003:

http://web.archive.org/web/20030728220146/http://www.nbadraft.net/

Nbadraft.net projected Howard to go number one right after the 2003 draft, with Okafor going second. Looks like Howard was ranked either first or second on that site all the way until the actual draft.
 
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And when you check for 2004 leading up to the draft they always had Okafor #1 and never put Howard #1. Maybe I should have re-phrased it saying Howard was not on the radar for the #1 pick leading up to the draft until shortly before it.
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And when you check for 2004 leading up to the draft they always had Okafor #1 and never put Howard #1. Maybe I should have re-phrased it saying Howard was not on the radar for the #1 pick leading up to the draft until shortly before it.
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That's not a rephrase, that's a drastic change in position. We've had this conversation/argument before. You maintain that he came out of nowhere just prior to the draft and I've repeatedly insisted that this just wasn't the case. And even with your re-phrase you're still flat out wrong. You're not the only one that was alive at that time and I clearly remember the arguments from tourney time forward about which one of these two big guys should go number one.

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Shaq is one of the greatest players of all time I don't get what the perspective is?

Its a chance to just look at some of the film of these prospects compared to the film of Shaq at a similar age. I did not intend this to be a criticism of anyone, just an interesting addition to the discussion.
 

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Baylor
Perry Jones III with 22 points 14 rebounds 3 assists
Quincy Miller with 18 points 6 rebounds 1 assists 1 block

Texas
Myck Kabongo 12 points 4 rebounds 5 assists 1 steal 1 block

Duke
Austin Rivers 12 points 4 rebounds 5 assists 1 steal

Florida
Bradley Beal 19 points 4 rebounds 2 assists
 

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I am happy with Drummond, Davis, Kidd-Gilchrist, Jones. I like Kabongo, but w a pick in the teens.
 

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Something I just read on another board and agree with is that this years draft has a lot of players that have high "floors".

Anthony Davis for example absolutely worst case is probably going to be Joakim Noah.
 

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Good college basketball night today

Baylor
Perry Jones III with 22 points 14 rebounds 3 assists
Quincy Miller with 18 points 6 rebounds 1 assists 1 block

Texas
Myck Kabongo 12 points 4 rebounds 5 assists 1 steal 1 block

Duke
Austin Rivers 12 points 4 rebounds 5 assists 1 steal

Florida
Bradley Beal 19 points 4 rebounds 2 assists

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarep...phoenix-suns-nba-draft-lottery-prospects.html

Interestingly enough an article in AZ Republic breaking down draft sites Suns predictions contain 3 guys on your list. I am hoping for a Anthony Davis but don't think PHX will get into the Top 2 to get him. I think he is the safest pick in the draft and would start and play consistently well from Day 1. Morris I feel will be a solid backup but is nowhere near the player Davis is right now and probably will not end up be a better player than him. I like the idea of an all around SF but is it me or is Perry Jones awfully inconsistent?

Guys I like at #9: Kidd-Gilchrist, Terrence Jones, Bradley Beal
 

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I honestly would rather get Harrison Barnes than Kidd-Gilchrist. Glichrist is likely to be a Gerald Wallace type player while Barnes can be Brandon Roy/T-Mac in his prime.

Barnes is just really underrated, just like Marshon Brooks last year.
 

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Who cares about a month before. By the time the draft came around MOST experts valued him above all others. And I don't buy your month before comment either but my damned time machine is broken. Even without dialing up the way-back device, I do know that Rivals had long considered him the number one high school prospect.

I'm not the college basketball junkie I used to be but up until a couple of years ago I watched a LOT of college ball. I heard and read his name and his story often long before the draft. I can't speak for your planet but here on earth the guy was very highly regarded.

Steve
Come on man. Dwight probably wasn't that popular in Germany at the time which is probably why slinslin didn't know about him.

Give slinslin a break!

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I honestly would rather get Harrison Barnes than Kidd-Gilchrist. Glichrist is likely to be a Gerald Wallace type player while Barnes can be Brandon Roy/T-Mac in his prime.

Barnes is just really underrated, just like Marshon Brooks last year.

Brandon Roy is like a totally different type of player and TMac was twice the athlete that Barnes is, sorry.

And how is he underrated? He is listed almost everywhere as a top 5 pick despite his average athleticism and passive demeanor. Barnes has one really good skill and that is his shooting. The rest of his game does not stand out. He is passive, his defense average, he does not hit the boards as much as he should and he needs to work on his ballhandling skills and attacking the rim. The thought that Michael Kidd-Gilchrist has a lower ceiling compared to Barnes is ridiculous considering that MKG's freshman season is on par with Barnes in his sophomore season and that athletically he is on a completely different level.

Better comparisons for Barnes is probably Jamal Mashburn..
 
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Anthony Davis is so freaking good unreal.

Another game with 7 blocks, 18 points 8 boards 3 assists. The guy is Marcus Camby on steroids with some Shawn Marion mixed in and actual offensive skills.

For a big man he can handle the ball well, his shouting touch for a freshman big man is good too and he is so freaking long there is little doubt he can be a game changer at the PF position defensively. Consider this the guy measured in what 6'10 with a 7'6 wingspan when he was just 18, he might not be done growing even.

4.7 blocks per game that is almost a full block more per game than what Marcus Camby did as a junior in college.

“He is a shot-changer,” Tennessee guard Josh Richardson said. “The dude is like 6-foot-10 with 7-6 arms. If you get in the lane, you’ve got to go at him, but it’s always going to be in the back of your mind that this dude is huge and he’s probably going to block it.”

Even when opponents don’t think Davis is going to block it, he often ends up blocking it.

“I think they think I can’t get over there that quick,” Davis said. “They think they’ve got a layup and I’ll come out of nowhere and block it.”

Davis’ ability to cover ground with a stride and a leap clinched the game against North Carolina in December, when he blocked a John Henson jumper at the buzzer for a one-point victory. While the defensive presence has been constant all season, his offensive game continues to evolve and improve.

Davis opened the game Tuesday night with a 19-foot jumper. Then he fluidly finished a left-handed layup in transition. A couple of possessions later, he banked in a jumper from out front, then had a dunk. Less than five minutes in, he had eight points in a variety of ways and Kentucky led 12-2. School basically was out at that point.

“He’s a special player,” Calipari said. “And mainly because he’s about his teammates. There are players out there [who are] really good players and all that, but their teammates don’t want to play with them, don’t like them.”
 
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http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarep...phoenix-suns-nba-draft-lottery-prospects.html

Interestingly enough an article in AZ Republic breaking down draft sites Suns predictions contain 3 guys on your list. I am hoping for a Anthony Davis but don't think PHX will get into the Top 2 to get him. I think he is the safest pick in the draft and would start and play consistently well from Day 1. Morris I feel will be a solid backup but is nowhere near the player Davis is right now and probably will not end up be a better player than him. I like the idea of an all around SF but is it me or is Perry Jones awfully inconsistent?

Guys I like at #9: Kidd-Gilchrist, Terrence Jones, Bradley Beal

Yeah, the idea of not drafting a PF because of Kief is just ridiculous. He's ok, and seems like a banger/8th-9th man. He just doesn't do anything great, and doesn't show any propensity for massive improvement. Good bench guy, but not a star you build around.
 

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Yeah, the idea of not drafting a PF because of Kief is just ridiculous. He's ok, and seems like a banger/8th-9th man. He just doesn't do anything great, and doesn't show any propensity for massive improvement. Good bench guy, but not a star you build around.

I agree but I would still stay away from Sullinger, Young and Henson in the lottery because they do not have high ceiling either imo except maybe Young.

I'd also be wary with Thomas Robinson because like Markieff he is on the short side.
 

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I agree but I would still stay away from Sullinger, Young and Henson in the lottery because they do not have high ceiling either imo except maybe Young.

I'd also be wary with Thomas Robinson because like Markieff he is on the short side.

Yep, we need a top 5 pick, ideally a top 3 to get a real difference maker at PF.
 

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i would honestly be excited about Austin Rivers or Quincy Miller if we picked at only #10. I don't see a necessity to draft for a particular position. Going forward we are not set at any position really.

Rivers looks underrated to me because he seems to rub a lot of people the wrong way but I don't really think there are character issues, he is simply young and a bit spoiled.

Quincy Miller might as good a scorer as anyone in the draft eventually.

Probably the top isolation players in the draft.
 
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Yeah, the idea of not drafting a PF because of Kief is just ridiculous. He's ok, and seems like a banger/8th-9th man. He just doesn't do anything great, and doesn't show any propensity for massive improvement. Good bench guy, but not a star you build around.

We draft the BPA regardless of position, even center. Although a center would probably force a future trade. I would love Kieff to be a future starting pf. He has shown flashes but has not made that case for himself yet.
 

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