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Yeah, the idea of not drafting a PF because of Kief is just ridiculous. He's ok, and seems like a banger/8th-9th man. He just doesn't do anything great, and doesn't show any propensity for massive improvement. Good bench guy, but not a star you build around.

I think his ceiling is better than 8th or 9th man but I agree, he's not a difference maker at his position and likely never will be. I think he'll be good enough to start on a strong team or a nice addition coming off the bench (1st or 2nd guy off the bench) but probably nothing more.

I think we should take the BPA as long the player isn't undersized for his position and I'd prefer small forward or bigger. If we have a top 10 pick I'd only take a guard if he is unarguably the best player available and there are usually enough question marks about the players to make that unnecessary. When in doubt, go for length but if a player already shows concerns in the head or heart department don't get fooled by his length or athleticism (no more Earl Clarks).

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Markieff is going to have a career similiar to what Haslem or Kurt Thomas have had imo if he continue to develop. I just know that Rasheed Wallace comparisons are way way way too generous. Wallace was much more talented, bigger and more athletic.
 

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Are there any twins in this years draft? I hope not.
 

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Are there any twins in this years draft? I hope not.

Brothers who might both go in the lottery.. Cody Zeller and Tyler Zeller. Also Marquis Teague is the younger brother of Jeff Teague.

There are many players in this years class that are sons of former NBA players.

Austin Rivers - son of Doc Rivers
Tim Hardaway Jr - son of Tim Hardaway
Glen Rice Jr - son of Glen Rice
James McAdoo - son of Bob McAdoo
 

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I'd like to try to make Austin Rivers a PG/Combo but I read at the other site, that Suns may offer Steve Nash 8-10 Million/year Lol I can understand 5 Million but I'd probably still prefer to rebuild.
 

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Austin Rivers is overrated, zero athleticism, looks like a poor defender and his speed isn't all that great either. I hope we don't end up with him.
 

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Austin Rivers is overrated, zero athleticism, looks like a poor defender and his speed isn't all that great either. I hope we don't end up with him.

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You must have never seen Rivers play. Zero Athleticism? You couldn't be more wrong.

ZERO Athleticism.

And is speed isn't great? He probably has the quickest first step in college basketball. You are the first and only one I hear saying that, any draft site any expert says the exact opposite about him
Notes: Measured 6'5 (in shoes) 203 lbs, with a 6'7 wingspan at the 2011 Kevin Durant Skills Academy.

Rivers problems early at Duke were selfishness, shot selection and maturity, not athleticism.
 
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Austin Rivers is overrated, zero athleticism, looks like a poor defender and his speed isn't all that great either. I hope we don't end up with him.

I don't know what to say to that. I think you have to include how you consider him to be rated before your statement has any relevance. He's not a bad pick if you're down around 10th or 12th but I certainly wouldn't spend a top 5 pick on the guy in a draft such as this one. I'm not too fond of the guy but there's nothing wrong with his speed or athleticism.

He can score on just about anyone but he's both blessed and cursed by an unwavering confidence. He still takes absurd shots even when he's riding a cold streak. I'd say his NBA career will probably fall somewhere between a Jerryd Bayless and a Monta Ellis (closer to Ellis). He doesn't have the instincts or the vision to play point guard and despite his length, he falls a bit short of the ideal size for a 2 guard. I think his ceiling is Eric Gordon but I like (a healthy) Gordon and I don't really expect Rivers to reach that ceiling.

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I think he is better than Gordon at the same point.

And measuring in at 6'5 200lbs last year that is not short for a SG.
 

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I think he is better than Gordon at the same point.

And measuring in at 6'5 200lbs last year that is not short for a SG.

And I've seen him listed at 6'4 more often than 6'5. Also, notice I said he was a bit short of the ideal height for that position.

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Yes but he was officially measured at Durants skill academy last year and measured 6'5 in shoes and 200lbs.
 

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There are many players in this years class that are sons of former NBA players.

Austin Rivers - son of Doc Rivers
Tim Hardaway Jr - son of Tim Hardaway
Glen Rice Jr - son of Glen Rice
James McAdoo - son of Bob McAdoo

Is Seth Curry going to declare? I like him a lot.

Huh, NBAdraft.net doesn't even have him listed in their mock. He looks like a borderline first to me. Obviously not the player his brother is, but I think he's going to be a steady backup or possible starting PG for a long time.
 
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I don't know what to say to that. I think you have to include how you consider him to be rated before your statement has any relevance. He's not a bad pick if you're down around 10th or 12th but I certainly wouldn't spend a top 5 pick on the guy in a draft such as this one. I'm not too fond of the guy but there's nothing wrong with his speed or athleticism.

He can score on just about anyone but he's both blessed and cursed by an unwavering confidence. He still takes absurd shots even when he's riding a cold streak. I'd say his NBA career will probably fall somewhere between a Jerryd Bayless and a Monta Ellis (closer to Ellis). He doesn't have the instincts or the vision to play point guard and despite his length, he falls a bit short of the ideal size for a 2 guard. I think his ceiling is Eric Gordon but I like (a healthy) Gordon and I don't really expect Rivers to reach that ceiling.

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Austin Rivers will be an NBA bust. Mark my words.
 
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Austin Rivers will be an NBA bust. Mark my words.

I just don't see it. He might be a disappointment but that will be more of a function of where he's drafted. Well, actually there is one other reason he might be a disappointment. The NBA is changing, points are going down and it has nothing to do with the lockout. More and more teams are adopting the Tom Thibodeau style of basketball.

As long as the NBA continues to allow certain teams to use their elbows, hips and shoulders to gain an advantage (on both ends of the court) this trend will continue. IMO, we are just a year or two away from the most boring period of basketball the NBA has ever endured. Right now there are at least 7 teams playing this way and that number will go up every year until the NBA gets sick of 73 - 65 games. Personally, like Charles Barkley, I'm already there.

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I would like to see the Suns getting a high 2012 pick without giving up Gortat.

As per Babby's comments about having the cap space to add flexibility to absorb bad contracts and in turn obtaining lottery picks....

These are the possible teams... (mind you the contracts are 1 less year because this is end of season or trade deadline trades which means most of this year's salary is paid off)

KINGS
- John Salmons (3 years at 8 Million) + Kings 2012 Pick (4 ~ 6) for TPE (from Suns)
- Suns Amnesty Childress (3 years at 7 Million).

Suns impact: The offset is +1 Million to the Suns salary, but obtains a high lottery pick.

Possibility of occuring: Pretty high, Kings have a solid youth core of Cousins, Evans, Fredette, Thornton and a few young big men expiring their rookie contracts. What they need is cap space to sign a veteran star to help lead their talented but leaderless core. 4/10 chance it happens.

When? Draft day trade most likely, just for Kings to see who is available with their pick. Maybe even do a deal for Suns to pick a player Suns want and make the trade on the day.




PISTONS
- Ben Gordon (2 years 11 million a year) + Charlie Villanueva (2 years 7 million a year) + 2012 Pistons Pick ( 1~5 )
- Suns amnesty Childress (3 years at 7 million a year)

Suns impact: Childress and Villanueva cancels out, Gordon cancels out Nash's expiring 11 Million.
Nash may even re-sign for MLE after this trade goes down, Hill for the minimum.
Suns can use Gordon and Villanueva ironically and the additional pick is gold.....

Possibility of occuring: If Pistons get No.1, I dont think they will trade it, as they can shop that for a mega star trade deal somewhere or even pair Davis with Monroe, If its No.2, they might fall in love with Michael Kidd Gilchrist and use that on him.
I can definitely see them trading No.3, assuming Drummond doesnt enter the draft.
They like Monroe and only Anthony Davis would be their real coveted player in this draft as they compliment each other. But they also have a few young players in Daye, Stuckey, Jerebko and Knight with Monroe. So they can use the cap space created by making a bid for a star during the 2012-2013 season or sign one in 2013.


The other alternative is for Suns to just absorb one of Gordon or Villanueva and Pistons 2012 Pick.
This case, Suns will send their 2012 pick, assuming it is 5-6 places lower than Pistons.
Again, Suns can actually use Gordon at the 2, but dont let Pistons know that, the key is to make this look like a 100% salary dump. If its Villanueva, Suns will have to trade Frye later on as both play similarly.

Again depending on where Pistons fall... Pick 3 and lower (assuming Drummond doesnt enter), the chances of this trade approaches 5/10. No.1? or No.2?, fogeddaboutit.



BOBCATS
Bobcats are one of the favourites for No.1 pick, these guys are beyond terrible.
They also have big chunks of contracts that hampering them from making a splash.
Also not sure how high they are on Biyombo and Walker.

In my opinion, Jordan and Cho are tanking for a wing man or an all out scorer in the draft.
Maybe, Perry Jones, Quincy Miller, Michael Kidd Gilchrist, Harrison Barnes type.

Now I believe these players are available between pick 3 to 8.
They dont necessarily need No.1 unless Drummond is entering the draft.
The Bobcats have defensive big men galore, I dont think they covet Davis very much. They need a flat out scorer or star potential. They may even go outside the draft to get this scorer.... but they need cap space first.


Suns can relieve them of Tyrus Thomas (3 years and 7 million per year) as well as Magette (1 year and 9 million).

They want the cap space, but the same time they want a pick back also.

A possible situation.
Suns end up with Pick 8 and Bobcats end up with Pick 1. Both teams GMs have an under the table trade assuming player Bobcats want is available by pick 8th and Bobcats will pick for Suns.

At this point, Bobcats will pick best available player which will be Anthony Davis, I think Suns is IN LOVE with Davis... he is definitely a defensive power house they covet to start off the new core of defensive minded Suns.

Suns pick Perry Jones at 8th, they then do a draft day trade of.

Perry Jones + 2013 Top 10 protected for Anthony Davis + Magette + Thomas.

The Bobcats now have their SF/PF Scorer (potential), have a lot of cap space also. Bobcats can now target a star during the season or the next off-season.

WIZARDS
- Blatche (3 years 6.5 Million per year) + 2012 Pick ~1~5 for TPE OR + Suns 2012 First pick
- Suns amnesty Childress (3 years 7 million)

Suns Impact: Blatche offsets Childress's contract.... same scenario, but Blatche can actually be useful if he isnt being a nut job or cancerous at the back.

Possibility of occuring: Depends again, if Wizards get No.1 or No2.... ZERO% this happens. But if they fall at No.4; this can definitely pick up steam at draft day.
I can imagine them going savin cap space for Harden in 2013, getting rid of Blatche also allows them to move Singleton or Vesely at the PF, making them an uptempo team.
Suns will use the acquired pick and their own to trade into the top 2, assuming they know MKG and Davis will be the top 2 picks... assuming this happens before the draft begins... maybe half hour before.
But if they dont trade before Pick 1 has been made (A.Davis), I think Wizards will hold the pick until they see who is available at No.4.
Wizards are not exactly old, so they might think signing a veteran is better than a rookie.... OJ Mayo comes to mind as a player they may sign to a pretty big contract in which Grizzlies wont match.





BUCKS
- Drew Gooden (3 years 6.5 Million) + 2012 Pick (~ 5 ~ 8) for TPE
- Suns amnesty Childress (3 years 7 million per year)

Suns Impact: Childress's cancels our Gooden's incoming.

Probability of occuring: This is highly likely if they want to offer Beasley a contract ranging from 7-10 Million a year, in which they may even request Suns to take another contract along with Gooden. Beno Udrih's contract looks ugly too (1 more year at 7 million).

The trades above is assuming the Suns are going strong for this upcomming draft.
 
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These are the possible teams...
I really don't see any of these teams trading away a high draft pick just to dump a contract. Teams generally only go that route in order to avoid paying LT (see Suns) but none of those teams are anywhere near LT territory. No team is going to give up a lottery pick, especially not a top 5 pick in a deep draft, just to create some cap space or to unload a bad contract.
 

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Brothers who might both go in the lottery.. Cody Zeller and Tyler Zeller. Also Marquis Teague is the younger brother of Jeff Teague.

There are many players in this years class that are sons of former NBA players.

Austin Rivers - son of Doc Rivers
Tim Hardaway Jr - son of Tim Hardaway
Glen Rice Jr - son of Glen Rice
James McAdoo - son of Bob McAdoo

James McAdoo is not the son of Bob McAdoo. His father's name is Ronnie McAdoo, who is a second cousin of Bob McAdoo.
 

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Anyway Austin Rivers or Quincy Miller at #10?

Asumming first 9 picks will be

Davis, Drummond, Gilchrist, Jones III, Barnes, Beal, Robinson, Sullinger and Zeller.

Quincy Miller, Austin Rivers, Jeremy Lamb Tony Wroten? Outside chance LeBryan Nash I expect him to move up towards the end of the season and during workouts.
 

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I think this draft class is a bit overrated.
 

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close enough

Anyway Austin Rivers or Quincy Miller at #10?

Asumming first 9 picks will be

Davis, Drummond, Gilchrist, Jones III, Barnes, Beal, Robinson, Sullinger and Zeller.

Quincy Miller, Austin Rivers, Jeremy Lamb Tony Wroten? Outside chance LeBryan Nash I expect him to move up towards the end of the season and during workouts.

Close enough??? That was the best answer you could come up with?

Steve
 

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according to wikipedia Bob McAdoo is his uncle and his father and mother were also basketball players.

McAdoo's uncle is former NBA player and current Miami Heat assistant coach Bob McAdoo, who also played collegiate basketball at UNC.[9] James McAdoo's parents are former professional basketball players Ronnie and Janet McAdoo. His sister Kelsey McAdoo played collegiate basketball at the University of North Carolina at Charlotte.
 

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Is Seth Curry going to declare? I like him a lot.

Huh, NBAdraft.net doesn't even have him listed in their mock. He looks like a borderline first to me. Obviously not the player his brother is, but I think he's going to be a steady backup or possible starting PG for a long time.

An obvious Suns draft choice.
 

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according to wikipedia Bob McAdoo is his uncle and his father and mother were also basketball players.

I'm not sure that my information is necessarily correct but everything I've read shows his father to be a second cousin to Bob McAdoo. Technically, that would mean Bob is cousin (three times removed I believe) to James but often they are referred to as Aunt or Uncle when there is a clear generational difference. IOW, it's no surprise that some people refer to Bob as the Uncle to James even if he isn't Ronnie's brother.

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