2012 Free Agency news

[Chaplin]

I was listening to local radio today and I thought I heard the Suns were going to bring in a player tomorrow. Did anyone hear the same chat, and if so, was a name mentioned?

O.J. Mayo.

 

[Mainstreet]

O.J. Mayo.

Thanks. Very interesting.

 

[Divide Et Impera]

O.J. Mayo.

I could not imagine that the Suns would do this unless they had definitive word from NO that they 110% intend to keep Gordon. This is good news to me, but does anyone agree with my assumption?

 

[Mainstreet]

I could not imagine that the Suns would do this unless they had definitive word from NO that they 110% intend to keep Gordon. This is good news to me, but does anyone agree with my assumption?

Bring Mayo in for a visit tomorrow, wine and dine him. It makes sense. Then let him stay until N.O. has to make a decision on Saturday July 14th. I'm sure their agent has a strong idea anyway.

 

[Divide Et Impera]

Bring Mayo in for a visit tomorrow, wine and dine him. It makes sense. Then let him stay until N.O. has to make a decision on Saturday July 14th. I'm sure their agent has a strong idea anyway.

My bigger point is that I don't even think they would go through those motions without some formal knowledge of NO's intent - at least I HOPE this is what is happening....

 

[carey]

I could not imagine that the Suns would do this unless they had definitive word from NO that they 110% intend to keep Gordon. This is good news to me, but does anyone agree with my assumption?

I tend to agree but I think this is just part of Babby's plan B. He's going to meet with him in the event that the cap room frees up and we're still short a SG. Well more than one really.

That's one of the things I do't understand. We don't have a single SG on the roster. Do you think they're comfortable with a rotation of just Dragic-Marshall-Gordon/Mayo? With spot minutes to Dudley rotating between backup 2 and backup 3? I really like how Denver runs out both Lawson and Miller at times. Since Marshall's game is so similar to Miller's maybe it's something we're considering doing and they don't feel the need to add a backup SG. Or they just assumed Redd would be coming back instead of entertaining offers to play on another team.

 

[SirStefan32]

I tend to agree but I think this is just part of Babby's plan B. He's going to meet with him in the event that the cap room frees up and we're still short a SG. Well more than one really.

That's one of the things I do't understand. We don't have a single SG on the roster. Do you think they're comfortable with a rotation of just Dragic-Marshall-Gordon/Mayo? With spot minutes to Dudley rotating between backup 2 and backup 3? I really like how Denver runs out both Lawson and Miller at times. Since Marshall's game is so similar to Miller's maybe it's something we're considering doing and they don't feel the need to add a backup SG. Or they just assumed Redd would be coming back instead of entertaining offers to play on another team.

Keep in mind that backup shooting guards are dime a dozen. I think they can always go out and sign Brown, Redd, Willie Green, Jodie Meeks, or someone like that.

Not sure why everyone is counting on Marshall to play serious minutes. My guess is that he will be out 3rd PG this year.

 

[Divide Et Impera]

Hmmm. That's possible. Pivoting toward your point though, if Marshall is a pure 1, Dragic is a 1-2, Mayo/Gordon is a 2-1, Dudley is a 3-2, and Beasley is a 3, that means we have 144 minutes per game (PG, SG, and SF) split among 5 players over 8 positions. That means an average of 18mpg per position. Therefore, Marshall plays 18, Dragic 36, Mayo/Gordon 36, Dudley 36, and Beasley 18 (all on average). We know that Beasley is going to get starter's minutes, so he pulls minutes from each of the others - particularly Marshall.

Basically, with either of Mayo or Gordon, we've got a pretty tight distribution of minutes so I don't particularly agree with the idea that we only have a "single" SG on the roster. the backcourt-swing positions on this team appear to be set up for a really hybrid rotation - no matter which guy we get as our starting SG....

 

[Phrazbit]

Hmmm. That's possible. Pivoting toward your point though, if Marshall is a pure 1, Dragic is a 1-2, Mayo/Gordon is a 2-1, Dudley is a 3-2, and Beasley is a 3, that means we have 144 minutes per game (PG, SG, and SF) split among 5 players over 8 positions. That means an average of 18mpg per position. Therefore, Marshall plays 18, Dragic 36, Mayo/Gordon 36, Dudley 36, and Beasley 18 (all on average). We know that Beasley is going to get starter's minutes, so he pulls minutes from each of the others - particularly Marshall.

Basically, with either of Mayo or Gordon, we've got a pretty tight distribution of minutes so I don't particularly agree with the idea that we only have a "single" SG on the roster. the backcourt-swing positions on this team appear to be set up for a really hybrid rotation - no matter which guy we get as our starting SG....

These are the Suns we are talking about here. Beasley will play a lot of minutes at power forward. Even with Love on his team, the majority of Beasley's minutes last year came at the 4.

 

[carey]

I think we'll be seeing Beasley at the 4 sometimes too. You'll see some Dragic-Mayo/Gordon-Dudley-Beasley-Gortat or even Frye at the 5 line-ups. Back to the days when there were 4 3-point shooters on the floor at the same time.

 

[jagu]

Scola would be great

Gortat
Scola
Beasley
Mayo
Dragic

I can live with that starting 5.

 

[devilalum]

Scola would be great

Gortat
Scola
Beasley
Mayo
Dragic

I can live with that starting 5.

Last years Rockets.

 

[NashDishesDimes]

I think we'll be seeing Beasley at the 4 sometimes too. You'll see some Dragic-Mayo/Gordon-Dudley-Beasley-Gortat or even Frye at the 5 line-ups. Back to the days when there were 4 3-point shooters on the floor at the same time.

Add frye at center lol

 

[carey]

Add frye at center lol

I put him in there!

You could drive and kick to anyone for a 3. You'd get rolled defensively, but if a couple guys got hot it wouldn't matter.

I totally want them to run SSOL again, but it's clear that Babby is looking to put the nail in the coffin that was the SSOL Suns. In his recent interview he said some things about moving "away from :07 or less and towards a more balanced game." Hopefully they'll still be fun to watch.

And more importantly.. hopefully cox cable will get league pass in freakin' HD!

 

[mojorizen7]

I totally want them to run SSOL again

Why?

 

[NashDishesDimes]

Why?

Because its fun to watch and it works.

I dont know why people say it doesnt work. If it wasnt for san antonio, the suns would have walked into the finals 2-3 times..

 

[leclerc]

Why are you guys leaving Telfair out? He was pretty good after the all-star break. I think Dragic or Duds could play some SG with Bassy or Marshall on the floor. I'd like us to extend Redd for a year or two if the price is right. We can never get enough shooters and if he's hot he'll win us a few games.

 

[mojorizen7]

Because its fun to watch and it works.

I dont know why people say it doesnt work. If it wasnt for san antonio, the suns would have walked into the finals 2-3 times..

Because it hasn't. The Suns were arguably more talented than S.A. and yet the Suns still never sniffed the Finals so it didn't work. It didn't work in NY or Golden State either. Its a fools gold system even with the great Steve Nash running it.

Suns fans will believe what they want(everyone outside of PHX sees through the flaws of SSOL/fun n gun. D'Antoni is out of the league etc...)i'm tired of arguing about it.

Hopefully the Suns have learned. I'd like to see them get back to the Finals by playing the style of basketball that has a chance to get you there. Its been 20 years now...

Let's do whatever it takes and go get a stud PF/bigman.

 

[SirStefan32]

Because it hasn't. The Suns were arguably more talented than S.A. and yet the Suns still never sniffed the Finals so it didn't work. It didn't work in NY or Golden State either. Its a fools gold system even with the great Steve Nash running it.

Suns fans will believe what they want(everyone outside of PHX sees through the flaws of SSOL/fun n gun. D'Antoni is out of the league etc...)i'm tired of arguing about it.

Hopefully the Suns have learned. I'd like to see them get back to the Finals by playing the style of basketball that has a chance to get you there. Its been 20 years now...

Let's do whatever it takes and go get a stud PF/bigman.

No more SSOL, please.

 

[JustWinBaby]

No more SSOL, please.

Last year must have been a joy for you to watch.

If you did you were about the only one watching.

 

[Joe Mama]

Because it hasn't. The Suns were arguably more talented than S.A. and yet the Suns still never sniffed the Finals so it didn't work. It didn't work in NY or Golden State either. Its a fools gold system even with the great Steve Nash running it.

Suns fans will believe what they want(everyone outside of PHX sees through the flaws of SSOL/fun n gun. D'Antoni is out of the league etc...)i'm tired of arguing about it.

Hopefully the Suns have learned. I'd like to see them get back to the Finals by playing the style of basketball that has a chance to get you there. Its been 20 years now...

Let's do whatever it takes and go get a stud PF/bigman.

hold on there. The reason those teams didn't make it to the finals was because Mike D'Antoni refused to develop any semblance of a bench and defensively they were bad. You put a couple other players on those teams or change a few injuries and things could have been much different. I've always felt the best chance at a championship was really coach Mike's second season when Amare Stoudemire was injured. Until Kurt Thomas suffered a season-ending injury that team was very good defensively and could still score at will. They had favorable matchups in the playoffs... kind of like the cardinals when they went to the Super Bowl. If I remember correctly they had run the Miami Heat right out of the gym a couple times that season. Bell got hurt in the conference finals and we had no bench. Dallas beat us and then they collapsed themselves in the finals.

My point is that I think it's wrong to say that system doesn't work just because the teams that ran it never won a championship. If you were to add the right player or two to those teams or have a coach that ran SSOL but also believed in having a bench that could work. I do think you will see this 2012-13 team really try to push the pace, but that frontcourt is going to make it difficult.

Joe Mama

 

[elindholm]

My point is that I think it's wrong to say that system doesn't work just because the teams that ran it never won a championship. If you were to add the right player or two to those teams or have a coach that ran SSOL but also believed in having a bench that could work. I do think you will see this 2012-13 team really try to push the pace, but that frontcourt is going to make it difficult.

I think we'd agree that next year's Suns have no chance whatsoever of a deep playoff run, regardless of what system they run.

 

[Joe Mama]

I think we'd agree that next year's Suns have no chance whatsoever of a deep playoff run, regardless of what system they run.

no chance

 

[JustWinBaby]

Almost everyone blames D'Antoni for not developing players he never had at his diposal.

Now the blame goes to Nash for jumping ship and joining the Lakers, by far too many.

If Sarver would have provided a deeper bench my guess is coach D would have played them and we would have won a championship along the way.

If Sarver would have offerred Nash a contract and not traded every player associated with 7 SOS, Nash would be a Sun not a Laker and we would be a lot more fun to watch.

It really is amazing how virtually all of our problems are spun to the players or coach when the owner has been at the root of destroying what he originally purchased. It always has been somone elses fault, or so it seems.

 

[elindholm]

If Sarver would have offerred Nash a contract and not traded every player associated with 7 SOS, Nash would be a Sun not a Laker and we would be a lot more fun to watch.

Most of this board has wanted Nash gone for a while now. The fact that he went to the Lakers shouldn't change that. Gone is gone.