2012 Starting QB Kevin Kolb!

[Garthshort]

AzCardsWin, what do the Cards do in game #2, when Kolb is out with an injury? I'm not saying that one is better than the other, but I know I'm looking forward to next year when both QB's will have a full offseason to hone their skills. The future is bright for the Cards.

 

[DoTheDew]

Kolb will be our starter next year until he gets hurt again like he has every year of his career.

 

[john h]

Any questions about QB John Skelton challenging him for the starting spot were put to rest today...along with any flickering playoff hopes. Skelton is a nice #2 QB with some upside. Nothing more. Lets hope to see Bartel soon or this game gets even uglier.

I do not care who starts in 2012 if he can play like a NFL starter. Based on this year I would give some serious consideration to cutting Kolb and saving the 26 million. I would also consider drafting a QB. Perhaps even in round 1. There are a lot of good looking QBs coming out. I just do not want to spend next year like this one trying to figure out who can play QB. If Kolb or Skelton cannot do it then find someone who can. So far neither have shown consistency. If I had to go with one it would be Skelton as he has the size, arm, and apparently a heart. That does not mean I do not draft a QB if one shows up.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

....double deuce....

 

[WarnerHOF]

Does anyone seriously believe that Kolb would have handled the pass rush today better than Skelton? If so, you are dreaming.

Yes, and I am no fan of Kolb by an means. He would have done a better job simply because he would not have thrown those ******** passes.

 

[Phrazbit]

Yes, and I am no fan of Kolb by an means. He would have done a better job simply because he would not have thrown those ******** passes.

Skelton throws ******** passes, Kolb takes ******** sacks. Some of Skelton's passes get picked, some of Kolb's sacks turn into fumbles. I wouldnt call one "better" than the other, they're just their own brands of bad.

 

[LarryStalling]

Kolb will be our starter next year until he gets hurt again like he has every year of his career.

Until the Cards stop and think about the 20 million reasons in March why he won't be.

 

[LarryStalling]

Skelton throws ******** passes, Kolb takes ******** sacks. Some of Skelton's passes get picked, some of Kolb's sacks turn into fumbles. I wouldnt call one "better" than the other, they're just their own brands of bad.

Have you forgotten about Warner and his fumble-itis?

 

[chickenhead]

Re: Skelton - accuracy is a major concern. I know he's a young unpolished QB from the Patriot League, but I do think that if you step up in the pocket with good protection and your frist option is wide open, you should be able to complete that pass. Maybe he's just not up to NFL game speed - or maybe it takes him 3 quarters to warm up to it (or a hurry-up offense that prevents him from overthinking it). Either way he's got to show improvement in the first half soon...

Re: Kolb - I'm worried he can't stay on the field < I'm worried when he's on the field he'll be too rattled < I'm actually mostly worried about his health. If he's still having trouble with coherent thoughts, and this continues to be the case, I begin to think that the best thing for everyone might be for the Cards to release him prior to the roster bonus and for him to live well on the good money he's already made. He has a whole life off the football field that's way more important.

 

[PJ1]

Re: Skelton - accuracy is a major concern. I know he's a young unpolished QB from the Patriot League, but I do think that if you step up in the pocket with good protection and your frist option is wide open, you should be able to complete that pass. Maybe he's just not up to NFL game speed - or maybe it takes him 3 quarters to warm up to it (or a hurry-up offense that prevents him from overthinking it). Either way he's got to show improvement in the first half soon...

Re: Kolb - I'm worried he can't stay on the field < I'm worried when he's on the field he'll be too rattled < I'm actually mostly worried about his health. If he's still having trouble with coherent thoughts, and this continues to be the case, I begin to think that the best thing for everyone might be for the Cards to release him prior to the roster bonus and for him to live well on the good money he's already made. He has a whole life off the football field that's way more important.

As far as Kolb is concerned I am also beginning to lean this way. We may need to go in a different direction and not try to force something that just isn't going to work out.

 

[Phrazbit]

Have you forgotten about Warner and his fumble-itis?

No, I remember it clearly. Whats your point though?

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

No, I remember it clearly. Whats your point though?

That Kolb's one similarity to Warner is that they both fumble(d) I guess....

 

[BigRedFan]

The quarterback position has become more competitive and meaningful to a teams success with emphasis on the passing games. Look at the top 10 quarterbacks and they blow ours away, and that's what you need to even be competitive these days. Carolina's pick was a bit of a gamble but looks like they hit it big with Newton and will be set for the next 10 years. It was just plain stupidity to give away a starting corner and 2nd pick and large contract for an unproven player with marginal stats in the games he did start. Kolb and Skelton may turn out fine, and Skelton deserves credit for the wins in a difficult situation, but are either top 10 franchise QBs for the next decade? Probably not.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Skelton throws ******** passes, Kolb takes ******** sacks. Some of Skelton's passes get picked, some of Kolb's sacks turn into fumbles. I wouldnt call one "better" than the other, they're just their own brands of bad.

Taking a sack versus throwing an int aren't even remotely close. Taking a sack still alows to punt the ball and doesn't dramatically change field position. Even if he fumbles, there is still a chance for the offense to recover. Neither taking a sack or throwing an INT are good but throwing a pick is much worse.

 

[Totally_Red]

Taking a sack versus throwing an int aren't even remotely close. Taking a sack still alows to punt the ball and doesn't dramatically change field position. Even if he fumbles, there is still a chance for the offense to recover. Neither taking a sack or throwing an INT are good but throwing a pick is much worse.

Agreed! Throwing the ball away is preferable, but taking a sack and living to fight another day is way better than throwing an interception and putting your defense right back on the field. Skelton has got to stop being so reckless with the football. There isn't that much margin of error with this team.

 

[juza76]

with his record of 4 win and 11 losses next year the 28 years old and 5 years veteran qb will be the new brees...superbowl

 

[conraddobler]

I don't know if it matters who starts, Kolb can't seem to stay healthy, if he starts somewhere in there Skelton will come in, seems to be how this is going.

IMO unless we get another higher caliber QB we're going to end up with Skelton being the QBOF.

 

[LarryStalling]

No, I remember it clearly. Whats your point though?

My point is this. We have had some horrendous qb play in Arizona and that includes Warner. Everyone seems to think he is a messiah, but even the year when he went to the super bowl, he had some real stinker games. New England comes to mind vividly and I believe there were several others. Why do you think people were calling the Cardinals the worst playoff team ever? Then Warner plays out of his mind for four games and everyone forgets about all of the problems and bad games that he had. That team was only 9-7 not 15-1 like Green Bay. If this team had had a respectable first half and not layed an egg, we would have had a real chance at 9-7 this year. It would not have been too bad considering we started off at 1-6.

I would be tickled to death if the team finishes 8-8. I did not think that they would win more than five games and at 1-6 I thought they would only win 2 more. It shows you how little I know, but I can say that this team reminds me of the old Cardiac Cardinals with one exception. This defense can be a whole lot better... if it wants to be. I have loved watching this team the last half of the season because I have never felt that we were out of a game after having endured the first half.

In summation, why people are so critical of Skelton is beyond me. He is young and shows promise, but makes mistakes. But so have the great qb's and they have had bad games too.

 

[Chopper0080]

DREW BREES!!!

Seriously, it allows us to cut Kolb and avoid paying his bonus (the concussions worry me). Also, what else would we use the two 1st rounders on if they franchise him? We have a young roster and really need a QB. This works though our front office would never pull the trigger.

 

[john h]

calm down Ductkjake, if we can get fix the OL the QB and RB will show tremendous improvement. We have to get a new LT, hopefully a RT and maybe a guard. A healthy Ryan Williams will also help. I am extremely hopefully for next year being really successful.

QB's win games not left tackles. No team wins anything without a good QB. It all starts with the QB and until you get one nothing else you can do will make you a winner. Our defense played to good this year and kept us out of a QB drafting position.

 

[john h]

Ive been holding back the last few weeks. But the ending to that game has me feeling rather snarky. Sorry.

But seriously. Skelton's failures today by no means makes next seasons QB situation look brighter. The reality is the Cards dont have a capable, consistent QB on the roster.

Skelton is inconsistent and bad more often than not, Kolb is occasionally average, typically bad and frequently injured.

During the last 2 years Kolb's teams are 4-10 when Kolb takes the field and 13-4 when he doesnt. Until he proves otherwise the only assumptions that can be made about Kolb is that he is a crappy player.

You sort of nailed it Phrazbit. Our future QB may be in college or on someone else s team but he probably is not on our roster. Looking back was the deal for Kolb one you would do again? I doubt that 10% of our posters would do this deal again. Can you believe we gave up a second rounder, a starter, and a monster salary for this guy? What did he give us. As best I recall 6 losses and 1 win. This may become the mother of all bad deals for the Cards? I hope not as I personally do not dislike Kolb. I just dislike his performance. It was all out there to see before we even made the deal. We bought into a lot of press and Eagles hype and were taken to the cleaners. This is no where near as bad as Ditka giving up all his draft picks for Williams some years ago but it is ONE BAD DEAL> Reminds me of the Cubs trading Lou Brock to the Cardinals for a couple of guys I cannot even remember.

 

[Chopper0080]

QB's win games not left tackles. No team wins anything without a good QB. It all starts with the QB and until you get one nothing else you can do will make you a winner. Our defense played to good this year and kept us out of a QB drafting position.

If QB is 1, then LT is 2. You don't need a great LT, but you do at least need a solid LT.

 

[Paso Fino]

If I read Sommers column this morning correctly, Kolb gets the March roster bonus if he is injured. So if the Cardinals were to cut Kolb, he could claim it was because he is injured and therefore is entitled to the bonus.

 

[Phrazbit]

Taking a sack versus throwing an int aren't even remotely close. Taking a sack still alows to punt the ball and doesn't dramatically change field position. Even if he fumbles, there is still a chance for the offense to recover. Neither taking a sack or throwing an INT are good but throwing a pick is much worse.

lol, way to completely skew my point.

If Skelton was throwing one INT per sack Kolb takes you would be correct. But, as stated in my post, SOME of his bad throws are picks, just like SOME of Kolb's sacks are fumbles. And while in some cases a fumble is not quite as bad as getting picked, an incompletion is ALWAYS better than taking a sack.

I am not claiming ones faults as a whole are less glaring than anothers. My point was both players are their own brand of bad.

 

[Phrazbit]

You sort of nailed it Phrazbit. Our future QB may be in college or on someone else s team but he probably is not on our roster. Looking back was the deal for Kolb one you would do again? I doubt that 10% of our posters would do this deal again. Can you believe we gave up a second rounder, a starter, and a monster salary for this guy? What did he give us. As best I recall 6 losses and 1 win. This may become the mother of all bad deals for the Cards? I hope not as I personally do not dislike Kolb. I just dislike his performance. It was all out there to see before we even made the deal. We bought into a lot of press and Eagles hype and were taken to the cleaners. This is no where near as bad as Ditka giving up all his draft picks for Williams some years ago but it is ONE BAD DEAL> Reminds me of the Cubs trading Lou Brock to the Cardinals for a couple of guys I cannot even remember.

I was rabidly against the Kolb deal before it was made...

I am not claiming to be a soothsayer but, even before the trade, it really took a lot of blind faith to buy into Kolb being a franchise QB. The stats and the results made a strong case that he was a backup QB for a reason and that ol Andy was pulling another fast one, shipping a QB out for five times his actual value.