2013-2014 NBA Draft Lottery Prospects

[CardsSunsDbacks]

Marcus Smart is my darkhorse for someone possibly busting up the top 3. The guy is just flat out good.

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[JCSunsfan]

Chapman was an amazing athlete, maybe better than Parker.

 

[Russ Smith]

Chapman was an amazing athlete, maybe better than Parker.

Just to be clear I'm comparing Zach LaVine to Chapman, not Parker. Parker I don't really have a good comparison beyond probably Carmelo.

I think they're very similar players, people forget everyone loved Melo in college he was arguably the best player in the country and led his team to an NC.


It wasn't until he got to the NBA that people started saying he was selfish and didn't guard people. I think because Parker has a rep as such a good kid, people are sort of giving him a free pass he's a bit selfish himself.

Side note, I can't figure out how this is NOT an NCAA violation with Parker.

http://www.chicagogrid.com/features/jabari-parker-simeon-nike-basketball-high-school-chicago/

http://www.skullcandy.com/blog/2012...s-support-simeon-career-academy-jabari-parker

They literally call him the latest member of the Skull Candy team. If you read the first link Skull Candy and Nike both pay Simeon HS to have their athletes wear their gear, and the first link they found the contract(Freedom of Information) that requires coaches and administrators to encourage varsity athletes to talk up Skull Candy products during interviews. There's a 5 minute video of Parker where he talks up Skull Candy.

How in the world is he eligible at Duke without any investigation given this?

All I can say is if that was Bazz and not him he'd have never played at UCLA. It's absolutely an NCAA violation to use a HS or college kid in advertising like that, it's an amateurism violation.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

Just to be clear I'm comparing Zach LaVine to Chapman, not Parker. Parker I don't really have a good comparison beyond probably Carmelo.

I think they're very similar players, people forget everyone loved Melo in college he was arguably the best player in the country and led his team to an NC.


It wasn't until he got to the NBA that people started saying he was selfish and didn't guard people. I think because Parker has a rep as such a good kid, people are sort of giving him a free pass he's a bit selfish himself.

Side note, I can't figure out how this is NOT an NCAA violation with Parker.

http://www.chicagogrid.com/features/jabari-parker-simeon-nike-basketball-high-school-chicago/

http://www.skullcandy.com/blog/2012...s-support-simeon-career-academy-jabari-parker

They literally call him the latest member of the Skull Candy team. If you read the first link Skull Candy and Nike both pay Simeon HS to have their athletes wear their gear, and the first link they found the contract(Freedom of Information) that requires coaches and administrators to encourage varsity athletes to talk up Skull Candy products during interviews. There's a 5 minute video of Parker where he talks up Skull Candy.

How in the world is he eligible at Duke without any investigation given this?

All I can say is if that was Bazz and not him he'd have never played at UCLA. It's absolutely an NCAA violation to use a HS or college kid in advertising like that, it's an amateurism violation.

Maybe it's a loophole because they are sponsoring the entire school and not individual athletes? If that is the case then the same situation wouldn't have been an issue for Shabazz either.

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[Russ Smith]

Maybe it's a loophole because they are sponsoring the entire school and not individual athletes? If that is the case then the same situation wouldn't have been an issue for Shabazz either.

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No shoe companies can sponsor highschools they do all the time. The NCAA has a limit on how much monetary value kids can glean from it and I'm sure Simeon is aware of it. The problem is amateurs can NOT endorse products, you can't instruct a Simeon HS varsity athlete to speak positively about Skull Candy during interviews because your school has a signed endorsement with them. And if you watch the video on Skull Candys' site that precisely what Parker does.


You can't use HS or college athletes to endorse a product, it violates their amateur status. I'm amazed after last season and so many kids getting checked so thoroughly that Parker got cleared so easily. I can only assume after last season and the whole mess with the NCAA inspector Abigail Grantstein, that the NCAA has backed off this stuff.

The irony is the NCAA tries to suspend a kid for playing in a church league and another in a military game, and would have in both cases if not for all the negative publicity, but here's a kid playing for one of the most high profile schools in the country doing an ad like that and nobody bats an eye.

 

[Dback Jon]

Just to be clear I'm comparing Zach LaVine to Chapman, not Parker. Parker I don't really have a good comparison beyond probably Carmelo.

I think they're very similar players, people forget everyone loved Melo in college he was arguably the best player in the country and led his team to an NC.


It wasn't until he got to the NBA that people started saying he was selfish and didn't guard people. I think because Parker has a rep as such a good kid, people are sort of giving him a free pass he's a bit selfish himself.

Side note, I can't figure out how this is NOT an NCAA violation with Parker.

http://www.chicagogrid.com/features/jabari-parker-simeon-nike-basketball-high-school-chicago/

http://www.skullcandy.com/blog/2012...s-support-simeon-career-academy-jabari-parker

They literally call him the latest member of the Skull Candy team. If you read the first link Skull Candy and Nike both pay Simeon HS to have their athletes wear their gear, and the first link they found the contract(Freedom of Information) that requires coaches and administrators to encourage varsity athletes to talk up Skull Candy products during interviews. There's a 5 minute video of Parker where he talks up Skull Candy.

How in the world is he eligible at Duke without any investigation given this?

All I can say is if that was Bazz and not him he'd have never played at UCLA. It's absolutely an NCAA violation to use a HS or college kid in advertising like that, it's an amateurism violation.

Because he plays at Duke.

Had he signed with Illinois, NCAA would have shut down the program by now.

 

[Russ Smith]

Because he plays at Duke.

Had he signed with Illinois, NCAA would have shut down the program by now.

I doubt he got any money over it but it is really odd that nobody seems to have looked at it.

He's one of the most high profile recruits in the country this year and he's doing ads for Skull Candy and the NCAA appears to be fine with it. I'm really starting to think after the way the Bazz story ended last year the NCAA is essentially deciding they're starting over on this stuff and stuff that would have raised a red flag in the past isn't even being noticed.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I cannot imagine how Nike could get exclusive rights to hs footage "in perpetuity" without his consent.

 

[Russ Smith]

I cannot imagine how Nike could get exclusive rights to hs footage "in perpetuity" without his consent.

Yeah I guess that's from Simeon and since he wasn't even 18 at the time they probably couldn't sign him to any contract if they had wanted to.

Whole thing is just odd, with all the stuff they've gone after even this year, church leagues and military leagues, I'm amazed one of the most high profile recruits in the country didn't get any scrutiny with this stuff going on.

 

[Russ Smith]

Lotta talk recently that the stock of Wiggins and Gordon has fallen. I guess I can see both, with Wiggins he just isn't a killer. he's a great talent and I'd still probably take him #1 overall, but he's not a step on your throat kind of kid so he doesn't put up the huge numbers that Randle does.

With Gordon pretty much what I'd said all along, great athlete, has no position, and he's proving at UA he's a better 4 than a 3. Good not great numbers but fitting in perfectly on the team starts at the 3, moves to the 4, defends multiple positions etc. But if you're an NBA gm, where do I play him, he wants to play the 3, he's not a 3, and I'm not sure he's strong enough to defend NBA 4's.

He came into the year top 5 there's talk he's slid out of the top 5. Wiggins some have going 3rd now. Exum is at a huge advantage because nobody is seeing him play so his stock can't fall.

Another name that I haven't seen mentioned but soon will be is Delon Wright at Utah. Juco kid he's a junior 6'5". He's averaging 15PPG 7 rpg 6 apg 1.2 block 2.6 steals. now Utah has played an insanely easy schedule(worst schedule in country by RPI) but he's been awfully impressive. Older brother is Dorrell Wright, he played at the same HS as Russell Westbrook.

 

[overseascardfan]

I really like SG James Young from UK. The guy is absolutely lethal, only thing is I really like the Bledsoe/Dragic backcourt PHX has which is drawing comparisons to the KJ/Hornacek tandem of 1988-92.

PHX needs a long term answer at the SF & PF positions, Frye & Tucker with the Morris twins coming off the bench works now but PHX needs to build for the future.

I don't really like Adriean Payne but his is the only really good PF that will be available after the lottery but he is basically the same player as Frye. Cory Jefferson looks pretty good for Baylor but he is undersized. Outside of Randle there really isn't a back to the basket PF in the draft and even Randle has begun to drift to the perimeter as of late.

There seem to be more 1-3's in this draft than 4 & 5's.

 

[ProdigalSun]

Lotta talk recently that the stock of Wiggins and Gordon has fallen. I guess I can see both, with Wiggins he just isn't a killer. he's a great talent and I'd still probably take him #1 overall, but he's not a step on your throat kind of kid so he doesn't put up the huge numbers that Randle does.

With Gordon pretty much what I'd said all along, great athlete, has no position, and he's proving at UA he's a better 4 than a 3. Good not great numbers but fitting in perfectly on the team starts at the 3, moves to the 4, defends multiple positions etc. But if you're an NBA gm, where do I play him, he wants to play the 3, he's not a 3, and I'm not sure he's strong enough to defend NBA 4's.

He came into the year top 5 there's talk he's slid out of the top 5. Wiggins some have going 3rd now. Exum is at a huge advantage because nobody is seeing him play so his stock can't fall.

Another name that I haven't seen mentioned but soon will be is Delon Wright at Utah. Juco kid he's a junior 6'5". He's averaging 15PPG 7 rpg 6 apg 1.2 block 2.6 steals. now Utah has played an insanely easy schedule(worst schedule in country by RPI) but he's been awfully impressive. Older brother is Dorrell Wright, he played at the same HS as Russell Westbrook.

Id take Gordon if he slid far enough. He'd fit in well as a Shawn Marion type with his quick jumping ability and ability to finish out on the break

 

[Russ Smith]

I really like SG James Young from UK. The guy is absolutely lethal, only thing is I really like the Bledsoe/Dragic backcourt PHX has which is drawing comparisons to the KJ/Hornacek tandem of 1988-92.

PHX needs a long term answer at the SF & PF positions, Frye & Tucker with the Morris twins coming off the bench works now but PHX needs to build for the future.

I don't really like Adriean Payne but his is the only really good PF that will be available after the lottery but he is basically the same player as Frye. Cory Jefferson looks pretty good for Baylor but he is undersized. Outside of Randle there really isn't a back to the basket PF in the draft and even Randle has begun to drift to the perimeter as of late.

There seem to be more 1-3's in this draft than 4 & 5's.

young has a sweet shot, he's turned out to be better than either harrison twin at least so far.

 

[Russ Smith]

Id take Gordon if he slid far enough. He'd fit in well as a Shawn Marion type with his quick jumping ability and ability to finish out on the break

Oh yeah a kid that athletic at his size someone's going to take him and figure out where to play him. What you love about him is he plays so hard.

 

[ProdigalSun]

Russ, I'd be curious to hear who your top 10 college prospects are right now

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

I really like SG James Young from UK. The guy is absolutely lethal, only thing is I really like the Bledsoe/Dragic backcourt PHX has which is drawing comparisons to the KJ/Hornacek tandem of 1988-92.

PHX needs a long term answer at the SF & PF positions, Frye & Tucker with the Morris twins coming off the bench works now but PHX needs to build for the future.

I don't really like Adriean Payne but his is the only really good PF that will be available after the lottery but he is basically the same player as Frye. Cory Jefferson looks pretty good for Baylor but he is undersized. Outside of Randle there really isn't a back to the basket PF in the draft and even Randle has begun to drift to the perimeter as of late.

There seem to be more 1-3's in this draft than 4 & 5's.

Payne is similar to Frye in the sense that he is good at the same things that Frye is, but Payne is more athletic, hustles on defense and loose balls and rebounds better. I think he could come off the bench for 20-25 mpg as soon as next year and would be a good pick-n-pop/pick-n-roll player all rolled into one.

The real question to me with his huge jump in productivity mixed with his size and athleticism, is whether or not he will even make it out of the lottery.

 

[overseascardfan]

Payne is similar to Frye in the sense that he is good at the same things that Frye is, but Payne is more athletic, hustles on defense and loose balls and rebounds better. I think he could come off the bench for 20-25 mpg as soon as next year and would be a good pick-n-pop/pick-n-roll player all rolled into one.

The real question to me with his huge jump in productivity mixed with his size and athleticism, is whether or not he will even make it out of the lottery.

My point about Payne is that he is not a back to the basket, true post threat PF this team lacks. PHX is good because they are an athletic, fast paced team that plays good defense but slow them down in the half court and it takes them out of their comfort zone. To have a PF that can post up would really be an asset during the playoffs.

 

[Russ Smith]

Russ, I'd be curious to hear who your top 10 college prospects are right now

Next draft? I'm not sure there are 10 I'd be that high on. I don't think this draft is going to be incredibly deep either I think the top of the draft is much better than last year but there are still lots of kids who are going to be total crapshoots.

I don't really follow the foreign kids although I like Exum because he's still trying to convince colleges he's actually considering going to college so i've paid attention to him.

I think the 2 best long term prospects in college right now are both at Kansas, Wiggins and Embiid. I think Randle has a chance but again I'm not convinced he's not just a much better behaved Beasley, I don't think he's big and strong enough to play the same way in the NBA.

I think parker is a no brainer offensively, no idea who he'll guard but he's so good offensively it will be ok.

Not sure on Smart he's a great player but not a very good shooter and I think he just overpowers college kids.

I like James Young, which really surprised me I thought he was the most overrated kid in UK's class.

 

[ProdigalSun]

Next draft? I'm not sure there are 10 I'd be that high on. I don't think this draft is going to be incredibly deep either I think the top of the draft is much better than last year but there are still lots of kids who are going to be total crapshoots.

I don't really follow the foreign kids although I like Exum because he's still trying to convince colleges he's actually considering going to college so i've paid attention to him.

I think the 2 best long term prospects in college right now are both at Kansas, Wiggins and Embiid. I think Randle has a chance but again I'm not convinced he's not just a much better behaved Beasley, I don't think he's big and strong enough to play the same way in the NBA.

I think parker is a no brainer offensively, no idea who he'll guard but he's so good offensively it will be ok.

Not sure on Smart he's a great player but not a very good shooter and I think he just overpowers college kids.

I like James Young, which really surprised me I thought he was the most overrated kid in UK's class.

Thanks for the response. I was able to catch Young against Louisville this past weekend and was impressed as well. Unfortunately, the Suns will have no shot at most of these guys unless we can pull off some sort of package to move up