2013 Qb

[juza76]

Someone is going to start for the Kansas City Chiefs in 2013. Cassel is done and Brady Quinn has been named the starter. That franchise is toast.

NFLDraftScout.com (CBS's guys) only has Barkley, Smith, and Wilson rated as first-rounders.

i think collin klein will be the surprise( kansas state 7 won 0 losses..destroyed geno smith last week with 19/21 3 passing touchdown and 4 rushing touchdown,this year 70,5% complete passes 10 tds and just 2 picks,14 rushing touchdown.6'5'' and 225 lb).then i would consider logan and ej manuel,boyd and maybe nassyb

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sv_0IZdHCpo

 

[az jam]

Someone is going to start for the Kansas City Chiefs in 2013. Cassel is done and Brady Quinn has been named the starter. That franchise is toast.

NFLDraftScout.com (CBS's guys) only has Barkley, Smith, and Wilson rated as first-rounders.

I agree that those 3 appear to be the top ones. Not sure why ESPN Scouts Inc Top 32 has Logan Thomas ahead of Wilson. I'm also surprised that no one has Oklahoma QB Landry Jones even on their list. He is 6'4" and has thrown for over 100 tds in his career. Perhaps he doesn't have the NFL arm.

As we both know lots can happen between now and the draft. Its fun speculating.

 

[Cheesebeef]

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Imagine the board meltdown if Rivers fumbles a snap in position to win the game.

don't have to imagine it. Just go find the gameday thread for the Rams home game back in 2006 in Denny's last year.

 

[Matt L]

I lost all faith in Kurt Warner that game and didn't actually regain it until the playoffs of 2008.

 

[Russ Smith]

I agree that those 3 appear to be the top ones. Not sure why ESPN Scouts Inc Top 32 has Logan Thomas ahead of Wilson. I'm also surprised that no one has Oklahoma QB Landry Jones even on their list. He is 6'4" and has thrown for over 100 tds in his career. Perhaps he doesn't have the NFL arm.

As we both know lots can happen between now and the draft. Its fun speculating.

Jones has the best arm of any of the QB's being debated, at least that's what Casserly has said. He says Jones has a cannon, his problem is mechanics. Holds the ball too low so his delivery is slow, and his footwork is not consistent so his accuracy is off.

Casserly said before the season he has Barkley rated as better than Tannehill was, but has Jones below because of the accuracy issues. He thinks Jones can be an NFL QB if he fixes his mechanics, always seems to me guys who struggle like that in college usually don't fix it in the NFL.

He thinks Barkley's arm is strong enough for the NFL but not great, he's afraid Matt's not really 6'2" as listed.

 

[Chopper0080]

I don't think we're "Looking to trade for a QB." I think that if Phil Rivers is on the market, you have to think about it. If a player of Phil Rivers' caliber isn't out there to be had, you don't go shopping for another terrible deal.

Since Phil Rivers isn't going to be available for trade, I'm vice-chairman of the the Tyler Wilson 2013 campaign. CBus gets to submit his name to the convention, but I get to second it.

Then I guess I am #3 on the bandwagon.

 

[az1965]

Rivers has been really bad the last 2 years, 37 TD 29 INT. I know they've had injuries and WR holdouts and OL situations too, and he's clearly better than anything we have now, but at 30 years old I'd be concerned he's declining due to age and wear and tear.

30 years for QB is nothing. They can easily go until 37/38, probably even more. The stats, however, are concerning but he will certainly be way better than whoever we have tried last three years since Warner retired.

 

[az jam]

He thinks Barkley's arm is strong enough for the NFL but not great, he's afraid Matt's not really 6'2" as listed.

ESPN Scout Inc has Barkley listed as 6' 1 7/8" 228 lbs. Tyler Wilson is listed as 6' 1 7/8" 210 lbs. Probably won't know the exact measurements until the Combine.

 

[john h]

I agree with Bill Simmons and the guys at Football Outsiders that the Cards need to look hard at trying to consumate a trade with San Diego for Philip Rivers. First off though, let's hope SD tanks the rest of the year and they go into full re-build mode.

I'd give a 1st and 3rd, maybe even more, for him tomorrrow. The Cards, I think, have about a 3-4 year window with Fitz to re-gain a dynamic offense and make a SB run. Rivers is a QB who could make it happen. Looking at the current QB's in the NFL, he's about the only guy that may become available that fits the bill of top level QB. All the other ones are older and not going anywhere, Brady, Manning, Ben,etc., or are younger, entering their prime and not going anywhere, Rodgers, Stafford, Ryan, etc.

Rivers's contract call for 17 mill, 15 mill, and almost 16 mill the next 3 years. That's not prohibitive for a top level QB. The Cards could make that work and fit him within the cap through re-structures and cutting dead weight.

I know drafting a QBOF is the popular thinking, and I'm as big a Tyler Wilson fan as anyone, but by taking a young QB we're looking 3 years, at best, before the young guy is ready to win at a high level. The next few years is when the Cards need to strike. The defensive playmakers are all signed, Levi is back and while he's not great, it will greatly improve the OL. Massie will have also have a year under his belt and the other young guys, Kelemente and Potter may be ready contribute. Then you have the return of a hopefully healthy backfield combo of Wells and Williams(even though I wouldn't mind seeing the Cards add Felix Jones through free agency to replace one of them). As for the receiving corp, we know what we have in Fitz, Housler should only get better, Roberts is solid, and Floyd should be ready to take on a more significant role.

To me this trade would be a no-brainer. You put a QB of his caliber on this team and they are easily a 10-13 win team the next 3-4 years.

I just cannot picture the Bidwills trading for a $17 million dollar player. That is so foreign to their past history I would be shocked. Have in the last 50 years have the Cardinals ever made a giant trade not only for a QB but for anyone? Mr. Bidwill Sr is still here and though we may not see him much you can bet your last dollar he would have his input on a deal like Rivers.

 

[john h]

How about first hiring a competant QB Coach/OC and then let him have a say in who our QB will be.

While you are about also hire a GM and give him GM authority & responsibility.

 

[arte49]

Forget Rivers..too much money..not enough years left...although he is in our same division...we need to try and get Matt Flynn away from seattle..this is a guy who can get it done for the cards

 

[kerouac9]

Forget Rivers..too much money..not enough years left...although he is in our same division...we need to try and get Matt Flynn away from seattle..this is a guy who can get it done for the cards

Phil Rivers only turns 31 on Saturday. People be acting crazy.

 

[Phrazbit]

No more quick fixes with struggling players. Develop our own guy. Id rather use the bounty of picks required to land Rivers and draft a QB with each of them rather than trade for Rivers (and his huge contract) on the hope that the last couple years have been a fluke.

I dont think Rivers would be the guaranteed failure that I thought Kolb was, but I just dont like the track record of teams trying to transplant QBs.

 

[Duckjake]

Maybe we don't need a better QB and instead we need better WRs. If you listen to Coach Ken every week he talks about WRs not running the proper routes or things like dropping 7 passes vs Green Bay.

Are our WRs much worse than we think and that's why they took Floyd in round one or is he just trying to protect his QBs?

 

[Cheesebeef]

Phil Rivers only turns 31 on Saturday. People be acting crazy.

agreed. he's got at least 6 or 7 good years left in him the way these guys go today.

 

[Chopper0080]

I have turned around a bit on this...

I would try and acquire Rivers first and foremost. He is a legitimate option that would have more weapons in Arizona than in San Diego. He is a gamble, but a pretty solid one.

No longer interested in Sanchez though I am not convinced he is done. I could see him needing a situation like Alex Smith had in San Fran with a great head coach, solid offensive line, and limited expectations to get his confidence back. In fact, I could see New England trying to get him.

If we don't trade for a solid QB, we need to trade up from the second round back into the 1st round to get Tyler Wilson or from the third to second to gran Nassib.

We need to take pretty drastic measures to fix our QB mess.

 

[juza76]

matt moore and a draft pick like wilson nassib or glennon...for our actually qbs a good bye so long farewell

 

[kerouac9]

I have turned around a bit on this...

I would try and acquire Rivers first and foremost. He is a legitimate option that would have more weapons in Arizona than in San Diego. He is a gamble, but a pretty solid one.

No longer interested in Sanchez though I am not convinced he is done. I could see him needing a situation like Alex Smith had in San Fran with a great head coach, solid offensive line, and limited expectations to get his confidence back. In fact, I could see New England trying to get him.

If we don't trade for a solid QB, we need to trade up from the second round back into the 1st round to get Tyler Wilson or from the third to second to gran Nassib.

We need to take pretty drastic measures to fix our QB mess.

Brian Billick was on the Rich Eisen podcast this week openly comparing Mark Sachez to Joey Harrington.

That's probably not a good thing.

If A.J. Smith really does get fired in San Diego, it probably reduces the chance that Rivers becomes available for any price.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Brian Billick was on the Rich Eisen podcast this week openly comparing Mark Sachez to Joey Harrington.

That's probably not a good thing.

If A.J. Smith really does get fired in San Diego, it probably reduces the chance that Rivers becomes available for any price.

The rumor is that Jimmy Raye is in line to succeed Smith and he is already on the staff. What that means in relation to Rivers, I have no idea. But, I think a new GM would want to put his own footprint on the team. KC probably wouldn't trade with SD but let's say Jax is sitting at #1 and Raye can ship Rivers off for the Cards #1. He then could make Jax an offer of two top 10 picks to move up and grab Geno Smith. He puts his mark on the team and I think Jax would have a hard time saying no to a deal like that.

 

[kerouac9]

The rumor is that Jimmy Raye is in line to succeed Smith and he is already on the staff. What that means in relation to Rivers, I have no idea. But, I think a new GM would want to put his own footprint on the team. KC probably wouldn't trade with SD but let's say Jax is sitting at #1 and Raye can ship Rivers off for the Cards #1. He then could make Jax an offer of two top 10 picks to move up and grab Geno Smith. He puts his mark on the team and I think Jax would have a hard time saying no to a deal like that.

Oh, well if they promote from within it's kind of like the status quo ante.

Keep in mind that the backup QBs in San Diego are Charlie "Clipboard Jesus" Whitehurst and nobody. They're going to have to start someone, and they probably need more help than Geno Smith.

It'd be tempting to the Chargers to get a top pass rusher and top OT in the draft, and then use a #2 on one of the QBs and sign a veteran. San Diego is in good position to make some moves this offseason.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Oh, well if they promote from within it's kind of like the status quo ante.

Keep in mind that the backup QBs in San Diego are Charlie "Clipboard Jesus" Whitehurst and nobody. They're going to have to start someone, and they probably need more help than Geno Smith.

It'd be tempting to the Chargers to get a top pass rusher and top OT in the draft, and then use a #2 on one of the QBs and sign a veteran. San Diego is in good position to make some moves this offseason.

I was all for the Cards signing him a few years back . Although, I guess I could argue that he'd have been better than Scud, Skelton, Hall, and Lindley.

 

[kerouac9]

I was all for the Cards signing him a few years back . Although, I guess I could argue that he'd have been better than Scud, Skelton, Hall, and Lindley.

I don't know. I think he's better than Lindley (right now) or Hall, but it's difficult for me to think that he'd have done more than we've gotten out of Skelton, seeing what he did in Seattle.

I'd rather spend a 5th on Skelton than trade a 2nd or 3rd (plus a contract) for Clipboard Jesus. It's baffling how Russ Grimm advocated for this guy on Norv Turner's endorsement. This coaching staff has gotten suckered twice by pretty shaky head coaches.

 

[Chopper0080]

Brian Billick was on the Rich Eisen podcast this week openly comparing Mark Sachez to Joey Harrington.

That's probably not a good thing.

If A.J. Smith really does get fired in San Diego, it probably reduces the chance that Rivers becomes available for any price.

I always liked Joey Harrington and don't feel like he ever got a fair shake in this league, but that is just how it goes. Right now I know Sanchez is like Harrinton was and David Carr was, being terrified of his own shadow. They all, at the end, were/are so focused on the pass rush and not making mistakes that they failed to ever make or even attempt plays down the field.

As far as the Chargers, I think they will move on from Rivers regardless if they can get the right draft compensation. A new GM wants to free up resources and get off of large, hindering contracts. Rivers has a big cap number, but also has little guaranteed money left. If you get a new head coach who wants a less combative QB, which I can see, you can justify shopping Rivers if you can get draft resources to fill the position with a younger, cheaper player. The best thing that can happen to the Cardinals would be Chip Kelly going to the Chargers because Rivers does not fit that system at all.

 

[john h]

I agree with Bill Simmons and the guys at Football Outsiders that the Cards need to look hard at trying to consumate a trade with San Diego for Philip Rivers. First off though, let's hope SD tanks the rest of the year and they go into full re-build mode.

I'd give a 1st and 3rd, maybe even more, for him tomorrrow. The Cards, I think, have about a 3-4 year window with Fitz to re-gain a dynamic offense and make a SB run. Rivers is a QB who could make it happen. Looking at the current QB's in the NFL, he's about the only guy that may become available that fits the bill of top level QB. All the other ones are older and not going anywhere, Brady, Manning, Ben,etc., or are younger, entering their prime and not going anywhere, Rodgers, Stafford, Ryan, etc.

Rivers's contract call for 17 mill, 15 mill, and almost 16 mill the next 3 years. That's not prohibitive for a top level QB. The Cards could make that work and fit him within the cap through re-structures and cutting dead weight.

I know drafting a QBOF is the popular thinking, and I'm as big a Tyler Wilson fan as anyone, but by taking a young QB we're looking 3 years, at best, before the young guy is ready to win at a high level. The next few years is when the Cards need to strike. The defensive playmakers are all signed, Levi is back and while he's not great, it will greatly improve the OL. Massie will have also have a year under his belt and the other young guys, Kelemente and Potter may be ready contribute. Then you have the return of a hopefully healthy backfield combo of Wells and Williams(even though I wouldn't mind seeing the Cards add Felix Jones through free agency to replace one of them). As for the receiving corp, we know what we have in Fitz, Housler should only get better, Roberts is solid, and Floyd should be ready to take on a more significant role.

To me this trade would be a no-brainer. You put a QB of his caliber on this team and they are easily a 10-13 win team the next 3-4 years.

I think we need a QB now and one we draft for the future. The one we get for next year should be a guy with some proven success. The one we draft should be the best we can get and I say a #1 unless all the QBs are considered lousy. For us to trade for a QB would like take our #1 pick. If there is a good #1 we could get then I would be hesitant to make such a trade. No one seems to think much of the SF QB who has been moved to #2. He has had a great year and had some of the best stats in the NFL with a good record. I do not know if he is a FA but that would be great as it would cost only money and not high draft picks. He alsomst got SF in the SuperBowl last year. I suspect some of these QBs may have a not trade options and would not be interested in the Cards so we may be limited on who we can get. To me it is clear we have no QB on our team now worth of being our starter next year. We also have some marginal runners. This is double trouble as that is our offense other than our kicker and the defemse.

 

[kerouac9]

I always liked Joey Harrington and don't feel like he ever got a fair shake in this league, but that is just how it goes. Right now I know Sanchez is like Harrinton was and David Carr was, being terrified of his own shadow. They all, at the end, were/are so focused on the pass rush and not making mistakes that they failed to ever make or even attempt plays down the field.

As far as the Chargers, I think they will move on from Rivers regardless if they can get the right draft compensation. A new GM wants to free up resources and get off of large, hindering contracts. Rivers has a big cap number, but also has little guaranteed money left. If you get a new head coach who wants a less combative QB, which I can see, you can justify shopping Rivers if you can get draft resources to fill the position with a younger, cheaper player. The best thing that can happen to the Cardinals would be Chip Kelly going to the Chargers because Rivers does not fit that system at all.

He had 76 starts in 6 seasons with three different teams. In his career he never started fewer than 10 games in a season. Let's not pretend like Harrington didn't illustrate his abilities.

I don't know what the Chargers' cap situation is right now, but it's difficult to imagine that they are going to be resource-constrained going into the offseason. They don't have a ton of high draft picks under contract. Quentin Jammer, Antoine Cason (a guy who was never as good as I expected him to be in the NFL) and Shaun Phillips are their only pending free agents of real matter. They have $8 million in dead money from Marcus McNeill, Luis Castillo, and Kris Dehil coming of their books at the end of the year.

This could be a really attractive job if they want to go out-of-house.