2015-16 Around the NBA

[ArizonaSportsFan]

That is just straight-out irresponsible for the Nets. I don't blame Crabbe at all, but this is just wrong.

 

[JCSunsfan]

That is just straight-out irresponsible for the Nets. I don't blame Crabbe at all, but this is just wrong.

That team is a mess.

 

[AzStevenCal]

That is just straight-out irresponsible for the Nets. I don't blame Crabbe at all, but this is just wrong.

That team is a mess.

That team IS a mess and that's why this move makes sense. It's probably the only way they could get Crabbe, a young, improving player. In the right scenario I could see him putting up 20 points a night. I don't see him leading them to too many victories but there are a lot of idiot GMs out there. Let him build up his resume as a 20 point scorer and then trade him for picks.

They have to try crazy things like this to crawl out of the horrendous hole that Billy King dug for them. I don't know that any executive has ever mismanaged a franchise more effectively than King did. I'm sure their owner contributed to that mess in much the same way Sarver has in Phoenix but this is still almost all on King.

 

[JCSunsfan]

So, the Bulls have Rondo (.289 lifetime 3 pt shooter), Jimmy Butler (.328 lifetime 3 pt shooter, .312 last year), and Dwayne Wade (.284 lifetime 3 pt shooter, .159 last year).

That is the worst shooting 1, 2, 3 combo in basketball. They are the "Anti-Warriors."

 

[Ronin]

Cavs trying to move Kevin Love for Boogie Cousins.
http://www.inquisitr.com/3284854/nb...quire-demarcus-cousins-from-sacramento-kings/

 

[JCSunsfan]

Cavs trying to move Kevin Love for Boogie Cousins.
http://www.inquisitr.com/3284854/nb...quire-demarcus-cousins-from-sacramento-kings/

I think the answer would be flat "no." But it is Sacramento.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I think the answer would be flat "no." But it is Sacramento.

It's a pretty stupid article if you ask me. The idea that Sac would instantly be a playoff team by adding Love and a bunch of future first round draft picks is absurd. Especially since he then claims it would put the Cavs so much closer to the Warriors level. Since in the short term it's functionally just a Cousins for Love swap and given that the Cavs struggle already when they put a second big man on the court, it looks like a flop for both teams as far as winning right now goes.

But I actually think Sacramento would be foolish NOT to jump on Love and 3 future unprotected picks. Assuming they could then turn around and offer Love for 3 more picks from Boston, I'm not sure there's a quicker way to turn it around for the Kings.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I love that the Warriors and Cavs are tinkering. Good rosters are not just about the collection of talent, but the little ways in which those players complement one another. While it doesn't look like it on paper, the Warriors tinkering could backfire. The same could happen with the Cavs, although I don't think as much, since the Cavs are so much more a one man team.

 

[devilalum]

It's a pretty stupid article if you ask me. The idea that Sac would instantly be a playoff team by adding Love and a bunch of future first round draft picks is absurd. Especially since he then claims it would put the Cavs so much closer to the Warriors level. Since in the short term it's functionally just a Cousins for Love swap and given that the Cavs struggle already when they put a second big man on the court, it looks like a flop for both teams as far as winning right now goes.

But I actually think Sacramento would be foolish NOT to jump on Love and 3 future unprotected picks. Assuming they could then turn around and offer Love for 3 more picks from Boston, I'm not sure there's a quicker way to turn it around for the Kings.

Why wouldn't Sactown just deal directly with Boston? Boston will give up a LOT more for Boogie than Love.

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[AzStevenCal]

Why wouldn't Sactown just deal directly with Boston? Boston will give up a LOT more for Boogie than Love.

The scenario I described involved the Kings getting 6 first round picks. Do you really think Boston would give up more than that for Cousins? Maybe you're right but I can't see them doing that.

 

[devilalum]

The scenario I described involved the Kings getting 6 first round picks. Do you really think Boston would give up more than that for Cousins? Maybe you're right but I can't see them doing that.

I think Boston has a couple of unprotected Nets picks. I'd rather have next years Nets pick than the next 3 Cavs picks.

Maybe some kind of 3 way trade.

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[elindholm]

Kris Dunn is for real.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

Kris Dunn is for real.

Not watching the games today, but Thon Maker put up some solid stats.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I think Boston has a couple of unprotected Nets picks. I'd rather have next years Nets pick than the next 3 Cavs picks.

Maybe some kind of 3 way trade.

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Which is why I said turn around and move Love to the Celtic for those picks. So they get 3 future unprotected picks from the Cavs (as far into the future as they can go so that Lebron is gone) and the 3 best picks the Celtics own (swap rights with Brooklyn being the best one).

 

[Mainstreet]

Portland fights back.

They match the $75 million dollar offer by the Nets for Allen Crabbe.

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojVerticalNBA 9m9 minutes ago


Sources on @TheVertical: Portland matches $75M offer sheet on Allen Crabbe.

 

[Ronin]

Duncan retires. Thanks for the memories Timmay!

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[Chaplin]

The most likable player on a most hated team. Always liked Duncan, the guy was the epitome of greatness.

 

[Russ Smith]

When I think of Duncan I always go back to the days of Usenet before WWW even existed. We had message groups on usenet for both college and pro basketball. it used to all be one board and there was a long heated dispute over whether to split it into 2 but it eventually happened.

Duncan was at Wake Forest, Rasheed Wallace was at UNC. 2 of the guys on the college board that were BITTER enemies argued incessantly over those 2, who was better, who was going to be the better pro etc. One guy was a UNC alum and argued for Rasheed, the other a Wake alum and argued for Duncan. It was years later that I learned not only do those 2 guys know each other in the real world, they worked at the same company and sat just a few cubes apart! For years they would argue about Randolph childress vs Donald Williams or was UNC squandering great talent etc and the whole time they were literally sitting close enough they could have had the debate in person.

Wallace was a good pro, Duncan a HOFer.

 

[Ronin]

Charlotte Hornets ‏@hornets 7m7 minutes ago
NEWS: Hornets Trade Guard Troy Daniels to Grizzlies

 

[Ronin]

The Hawks waived Lamar Patterson on Tuesday.

http://www.ajc.com/news/sports/basketball/hawks-waive-patterson/nrxSs/

 

[Hoop Head]

Duncan was one of the best big men of all time and arguably the best of this generation. It's kind of odd his retirement hasn't been talked about more. It's not like his play declined that much. It was a gradual decline over the years but his team stayed successful. He did what was needed to help his team rather than complaining about his reduced role or lack of touches. He remained a starter up until the end, and rightfully so. Duncan was willing to take a pay cut and a reduced role in the offense as he got older and couldn't carry a team on his own anymore. He always showed up on the defensive side also, just as much as on the offensive side. He put up respectable numbers right up until he called it a career. His numbers dipped this last year a good bit but he was 40 and his team was the most successful they'd ever been in the regular season this last year. In today's NBA it was refreshing to see guys like Tim who was a top 3-5 player in the league throughout his first 12-13 years yet didn't have an ego like most other top players. San Antonio is the only true dynasty the NBA has had since Jordan's Bulls. Not just a team that is good for a 3-4 year window but a team that was a legit contender every year. The Spurs managed to do that because it was Duncan's team and he wasn't ego driven like other stars. The Lakers had their 3-Peat but blew up because Shaq & Kobe couldn't co-exist. Duncan won his first title in his 2nd year, 1999 and his last in 2014, 16 years apart with 3 more titles in between.

Since he stayed out of the spotlight for the most part it's somewhat understandable his retirement isn't getting more coverage but he deserves it. He played in 19 seasons, all for the same coach and the same team. The Spurs made the playoffs every year he was there and had deep post season runs also, only being eliminated in the first round 3 of those 19 trips. He was relatively healthy also, only missing more than 20 games in a season twice, 2011-12 & last year, and with how Pop coaches it's tough to know how many games he missed because he was legit injured vs Pop resting him. The Spurs had a 71% winning percentage during those 19 seasons while he won 2 MVP's, 3 Finals MVP's, 5 Titles, 15 All NBA selections, 15 All-Defensive selections, and 15 All Star Selections. When you look at some of the numbers throughout his career it's even more impressive to see the impact he had. I doubt we see another star as successful, loyal, and humble throughout their career as Duncan was. I'm not sure when we'll see another big that is as impactful with the way the game is played speeding up and being more perimeter oriented. Great bigs will always have a place though, like Anthony Davis or Karl-Anthony Towns.

Here is a link to a great Forbes article which breaks down Duncan's career in numbers.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtbadenhausen/2016/07/11/tim-duncan-by-the-numbers/#62432d6c1634

 

[thephoenixson28]

Blake Griffen anyone?

 

[Ronin]

NBA approves changes to cut down on Hack-a-Shaq situations

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...rule-changes-hack-a-shaq-situations/87013528/

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

Duncan was one of the best big men of all time and arguably the best of this generation. It's kind of odd his retirement hasn't been talked about more. It's not like his play declined that much. It was a gradual decline over the years but his team stayed successful. He did what was needed to help his team rather than complaining about his reduced role or lack of touches. He remained a starter up until the end, and rightfully so. Duncan was willing to take a pay cut and a reduced role in the offense as he got older and couldn't carry a team on his own anymore. He always showed up on the defensive side also, just as much as on the offensive side. He put up respectable numbers right up until he called it a career. His numbers dipped this last year a good bit but he was 40 and his team was the most successful they'd ever been in the regular season this last year. In today's NBA it was refreshing to see guys like Tim who was a top 3-5 player in the league throughout his first 12-13 years yet didn't have an ego like most other top players. San Antonio is the only true dynasty the NBA has had since Jordan's Bulls. Not just a team that is good for a 3-4 year window but a team that was a legit contender every year. The Spurs managed to do that because it was Duncan's team and he wasn't ego driven like other stars. The Lakers had their 3-Peat but blew up because Shaq & Kobe couldn't co-exist. Duncan won his first title in his 2nd year, 1999 and his last in 2014, 16 years apart with 3 more titles in between.

Since he stayed out of the spotlight for the most part it's somewhat understandable his retirement isn't getting more coverage but he deserves it. He played in 19 seasons, all for the same coach and the same team. The Spurs made the playoffs every year he was there and had deep post season runs also, only being eliminated in the first round 3 of those 19 trips. He was relatively healthy also, only missing more than 20 games in a season twice, 2011-12 & last year, and with how Pop coaches it's tough to know how many games he missed because he was legit injured vs Pop resting him. The Spurs had a 71% winning percentage during those 19 seasons while he won 2 MVP's, 3 Finals MVP's, 5 Titles, 15 All NBA selections, 15 All-Defensive selections, and 15 All Star Selections. When you look at some of the numbers throughout his career it's even more impressive to see the impact he had. I doubt we see another star as successful, loyal, and humble throughout their career as Duncan was. I'm not sure when we'll see another big that is as impactful with the way the game is played speeding up and being more perimeter oriented. Great bigs will always have a place though, like Anthony Davis or Karl-Anthony Towns.

Here is a link to a great Forbes article which breaks down Duncan's career in numbers.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtbadenhausen/2016/07/11/tim-duncan-by-the-numbers/#62432d6c1634

It's just the way Duncan went about it. Kobe for instance announced early in the season that it was his last year so he had this big dog and pony show for a whole year where he was being celebrated. Duncan never announced that it was his last year and decided to only make it official in the off-season. I think that just speaks to the kind of person Duncan is that he didn't want to have that huge spotlight following him all season long.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Bryan Colangelo just came out and said that eventually one of Embiid, Okafor, or Noel will have to be traded. He is not in a hurry and is waiting for the right deal.

Suns with a guard heavy roster, Philly with a big heavy roster. It just seem logical that something could be done. My guess is that lots of talks have occured already but McD is not wanting to give up picks.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wireta...76ers-Will-Likely-Trade-Okafor-Noel-Or-Embiid