2016-17 Around the NBA

[AzStevenCal]

I agree.

I think you have to throw in the Pacers too. He's a huge local favorite having been born and raised right there not to mention having played his college ball at Butler.

 

[Mainstreet]

I think you have to throw in the Pacers too. He's a huge local favorite having been born and raised right there not to mention having played his college ball at Butler.

Agreed. The Pacers can be thrown in there as they have some attractions as well.

However, I think the reason the Celtics have an edge with Hayward (over the Pacers) is the Celtics have long coveted him, they are in the weaker East plus they have a better chance to win a championship. Also the Celtics have quality assets to make adjustments to their roster with the Nets picks this season and next.

My thoughts are Hayward stays with the Jazz. He likes it there and the Jazz can throw more money at him.

Of course, who knows.

The Celtics can be really good in a hurry using those draft picks along with the addition of Hayward.

 

[AzStevenCal]

^^I also think Hayward stays with the Jazz, money talks and that's a lot of money. I'm just suggesting that Indiana might have a lot of pull should he decide he wants out of Utah.

 

[Mainstreet]

^^I also think Hayward stays with the Jazz, money talks and that's a lot of money. I'm just suggesting that Indiana might have a lot of pull should he decide he wants out of Utah.

I wouldn't deny the Pacers have a shot at landing Hayward if he goes East. My thinking is the Celtics have a better shot at a championship if that is his goal.

Bottom line, we agree Hayward likely stays with the Jazz.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I wouldn't deny the Pacers have a shot at landing Hayward goes East. My thinking is the Celtics have a better shot at a championship if that is his goal.

Bottom line, we agree Hayward likely stays with the Jazz.

Yeah, without any real insight, I would think Utah followed by a tossup of Boston/Indiana and then perhaps New York because of his connection to Jeff. Although Jeff is more likely to be unemployed between now and the end of next season than he is to still be the coach of the New York Knicks.

 

[Mainstreet]

Yeah, without any real insight, I would think Utah followed by a tossup of Boston/Indiana and then perhaps New York because of his connection to Jeff. Although Jeff is more likely to be unemployed between now and the end of next season than he is to still be the coach of the New York Knicks.

If Jeff is running the triangle offense he will probably be gone soon, especially if Porzingis is not happy with it.

 

[Hoop Head]

If Jeff is running the triangle offense he will probably be gone soon, especially if Porzingis is not happy with it.

I think Jeff running the triangle actually works in his favor since it's Jacksons preferred offensive style. If the Knicks aren't winning but they show an improved triangle offense then I could see Jeff being retained because it does take time to install that offense. It doesn't matter who coaches there under Phil Jackson, as long as he's their GM/President he will want them to run the triangle.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Wasn't Brad Stevens his coach with butler too? Big plus for celtics.

 

[Mainstreet]

I think Jeff running the triangle actually works in his favor since it's Jacksons preferred offensive style. If the Knicks aren't winning but they show an improved triangle offense then I could see Jeff being retained because it does take time to install that offense. It doesn't matter who coaches there under Phil Jackson, as long as he's their GM/President he will want them to run the triangle.

It really doesn't matter much who coaches the triangle offense if the players do not buy into it.

I remember when Cotton tried to run the triangle offense with the Suns (and he knew how to run it) but the players never adapted. He had served as an assistant coach to Tex Winter who was a master at running it while at Kansas State.

The Suns had to return to a running style.

Maybe Phil Jackson needs to change.

 

[sunsfan88]

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Enes Kanter declaring Turkish President Erdogan as the "Hitler of our generation"....wow.

 

[Ronin]

Royce Young@royceyoung
League sources say the NBA worked with the US State Department to help facilitate getting Kanter to London.

 

[Ronin]

Fred Katz@FredKatz
The latest on Kanter situation with Kanter now headed to London: (link: http://www.normantranscript.com/oklahoma/enes-kanter-says-he-is-being-held-in-romania-after/article_a7620a88-3d79-11e7-afe6-0fc33ab152cd.html) normantranscript.com/oklahoma/enes-…1:17 PM · May 20, 2017

 

[Ronin]

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Paul Millsap will have a $30.1m hold against the Hawks cap. Millsap has bird rights and ATL can sign him to the max ($35.3m).

 

[JCSunsfan]

Doug and Wolf this morning were saying that the relationship between the Knicks and Porzingis has REALLY soured. He is not even speaking to them. There is the possibility that Porzingis is attainable in trade.

They think a team could get Porzingis for a decent asset AND taking Carmelo. This brings up an interesting question. Would you give up say,

BK, #4 for Porzingis and Melo. The Suns would basically have to buy out Melo and that would cost in the range of $40 million. I have no idea if this is realistic. I am just thinking out loud right now. Melo is HUGE negative value. Maybe it would also cost another first round pick.

 

[Chaplin]

Doug and Wolf this morning were saying that the relationship between the Knicks and Porzingis has REALLY soured. He is not even speaking to them. There is the possibility that Porzingis is attainable in trade.

They think a team could get Porzingis for a decent asset AND taking Carmelo. This brings up an interesting question. Would you give up say,

BK, #4 for Porzingis and Melo. The Suns would basically have to buy out Melo and that would cost in the range of $40 million. I have no idea if this is realistic. I am just thinking out loud right now. Melo is HUGE negative value. Maybe it would also cost another first round pick.

Buying out Melo is way beyond realistic. No way in hell Sarver would give up that much money to buy him out. And I don't think he has huge negative value. What makes him more negative than BK?

 

[JCSunsfan]

Buying out Melo is way beyond realistic. No way in hell Sarver would give up that much money to buy him out. And I don't think he has huge negative value. What makes him more negative than BK?

Melo is a ball-stopper and does not make people around him better, just like BK. But Melo is getting paid $26 million this coming year and $29 million the year after. BK is getting paid $13.5 and $14.5. Plus Melo has a no-trade clause.

 

[AzStevenCal]

They think a team could get Porzingis for a decent asset AND taking Carmelo. This brings up an interesting question. Would you give up say,

BK, #4 for Porzingis and Melo. The Suns would basically have to buy out Melo and that would cost in the range of $40 million. I have no idea if this is realistic. I am just thinking out loud right now. Melo is HUGE negative value. Maybe it would also cost another first round pick.

Absolutely. I think "HUGE negative value" for Melo is a clear overstatement though. His salary would be off the books long before our young guys would hit their stride. In the interim, the pair of NY players would probably put us in the running for the 9th spot, if not better.

But I'm not convinced there's any real substance to the idea that Porzingis wants out or that NY is willing to part with him.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Absolutely. I think "HUGE negative value" for Melo is a clear overstatement though. His salary would be off the books long before our young guys would hit their stride. In the interim, the pair of NY players would probably put us in the running for the 9th spot, if not better.

But I'm not convinced there's any real substance to the idea that Porzingis wants out or that NY is willing to part with him.

I certainly might be wrong about Melo's value. But he is absolutely KILLING the Knicks right now. As far as Porzingis' relationship with them. This thread is enlightening.

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=1560469&start=1580#start_here

 

[thephoenixson28]

I would keep Melo we need a Sf.

 

[Hoop Head]

It doesn't make that much sense for NY to include Melo in any KP trade considering they'll be left with no one to lead them if both are gone, other than whoever they get in return. Maybe we could get a 3rd team involved to take Melo, sure we need a SF but not him. For Porzingis though I'd give up our #4 pick, Chriss and/or Bender, plus BK to try and make the salaries work.

 

[Finito]

Melo has a no trade he ain't coming here.

I would do

Len
Bender
Warren
#4

For

Kristaps
Lance Thomas

 

[AzStevenCal]

It doesn't make that much sense for NY to include Melo in any KP trade considering they'll be left with no one to lead them if both are gone, other than whoever they get in return. Maybe we could get a 3rd team involved to take Melo, sure we need a SF but not him. For Porzingis though I'd give up our #4 pick, Chriss and/or Bender, plus BK to try and make the salaries work.

I don't think salaries are an issue on our side so the more we put into the deal the more New York will have to put in to balance it. We have room to absorb some salary, I don't think they really do.

I'd love to get Porzingis. I'd be fine with Bender plus the 4 pick and maybe even another (highly protected) pick if necessary.

 

[Hoop Head]

Len can only be traded in a sign and trade, where he agrees on the destination and salary, the team who receives him would need to offer him a salary he'd accept also. He has virtually no trade for the Suns because of that.

 

[Errntknght]

Len is going to take the first offer he gets and ask us not to match - and we'll do just as he wants.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I think Len is returning home so our loss is Freedonia's gain.