2016-17 Around the NBA

[JCSunsfan]

Hm, I wonder what it would take to get Drummond.

Bledsoe?

 

[Ronin]

Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine

Free Agency Scuttle: Volume is rising on the whispers that the team worrying Utah in Gordon Hayward's free agency is Miami as much as Boston

 

[JCSunsfan]

Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine

Free Agency Scuttle: Volume is rising on the whispers that the team worrying Utah in Gordon Hayward's free agency is Miami as much as Boston

I do think we should be willing to trade those Miami picks if necessary. Treat them as quality assets, but by no means untouchable. Pat Riley can turn things around quickly with free agency. A mid first round pick should never be untouchable.

 

[SirStefan32]

I do think we should be willing to trade those Miami picks if necessary. Treat them as quality assets, but by no means untouchable. Pat Riley can turn things around quickly with free agency. A mid first round pick should never be untouchable.

The more I think about it, the more I agree. I just don't see Miami staying bad for very long.

 

[Cheesebeef]

yeah... there's no reason to think those Miami picks are gonna be gold. Kinda surprised anyone did considering the protection on the picks, Riley's ability to retool when given enough time and resources and the fact that the East perpetually sucks.

 

[Ronin]

Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine

Pregame on the @NBAonESPNRadio, Commissioner Adam Silver tells me he expects league guidelines in place next season to govern player rest.

 

[Sunburn]

I do think we should be willing to trade those Miami picks if necessary. Treat them as quality assets, but by no means untouchable. Pat Riley can turn things around quickly with free agency. A mid first round pick should never be untouchable.

This is the same thinking that led to us trading the Lakers' pick.

 

[Hoop Head]

This is the same thinking that led to us trading the Lakers' pick.

I agree with this so much. I don't want to trade the Miami picks if only to save us the complaining and second guessing years down the road. I didn't like the trade with the LAL pick at the time and still don't but it wasn't as bad as Knight was this year, which is how people try and tilt it.

 

[Ronin]

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Albert Nahmad @AlbertNahmad

Rudy Gay has officially declined to exercise his $14.3M player option by his 6/10 deadline. He'll be an unrestricted free agent this summer.

 

[Ronin]

RealGM @RealGM

Andre Iguodala Expected To Re-Sign With Warriors For Up To $12M Per Season: (link: http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/246283/Andre-Iguodala-Expected-To-Re-Sign-With-Warriors-For-Up-To-$12M-Per-Season) basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/246283…

 

[Cheesebeef]

This is the same thinking that led to us trading the Lakers' pick.

Big difference is the Lakers at the time were awful and run by morons (and still are) playing in the much tougher conference, whereas the Heat won 30 of their last 40, play in the East, have a ton of cap room and one of the best GMs in basketball history.

They're not the same situation.

 

[sunsfan88]

This is the same thinking that led to us trading the Lakers' pick.

Completely different scenarios. The Lakers dont have a FO genius like Pat Riley on their payroll.

When people were celebrating that Dragic netted two Heat 1st rd picks two years ago, I already knew those picks were worthless because Pat Riley is too smart to give those away without thinking way ahead. Those picks will be in the mid to late 20s.

 

[Chaplin]

Completely different scenarios. The Lakers dont have a FO genius like Pat Riley on their payroll.

When people were celebrating that Dragic netted two Heat 1st rd picks two years ago, I already knew those picks were worthless because Pat Riley is too smart to give those away without thinking way ahead. Those picks will be in the mid to late 20s.

Really? Were you already in the know when it came to Bosh and the fact that his contract was wiped off their books?

 

[Sunburn]

The Lakers are known for re-tooling quickly. We thought because of this, the pick wouldn't hold much value. Look how things turned out. I'm just saying this is the same thinking that led to us trading that pick. You never know what will happen tomorrow, and Riley won't be there forever. He's 72 years old.

 

[Cheesebeef]

The Lakers are known for re-tooling quickly. We thought because of this, the pick wouldn't hold much value. Look how things turned out. I'm just saying this is the same thinking that led to us trading that pick. You never know what will happen tomorrow, and Riley won't be there forever. He's 72 years old.

The Lakers were a massive disaster with complete idiots running the show. They WERE know for retooling but if you lived in LA like I do and hear all their news, it was apparent they were and still are a joke.

 

[Sunburn]

The Lakers were a massive disaster with complete idiots running the show. They WERE know for retooling but if you lived in LA like I do and hear all their news, it was apparent they were and still are a joke.

Yet, we still traded the pick. Dumb move.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Yet, we still traded the pick. Dumb move.

Maybe we're getting wires crossed here... trading the Lakers pick was a disaster because the Suns FO brass should have been able to foresee they were going to be lost in the desert longer than the Jews during Exodus!

Trading the Heat picks Arent the same thing because a) they're already a solid team, especially in the East b) they got a break in cap space because of Bosh and c) They have The Godfather Pat Riley calling the shots whereas the Lakers were being run by Fredo.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Maybe we're getting wires crossed here... trading the Lakers pick was a disaster because the Suns FO brass should have been able to foresee they were going to be lost in the desert longer than the Jews during Exodus!

Trading the Heat picks Arent the same thing because a) they're already a solid team, especially in the East b) they got a break in cap space because of Bosh and c) They have The Godfather Pat Riley calling the shots whereas the Lakers were being run by Fredo.

We still don't know where that Lakers pick will end up. We are now, what, 4 years removed. If Brandon Knight had been remotely the player most people thought he would be, it would not have been that bad of a deal.

Did anyone really believe the Lakers would be this bad for this long? Most thought that Kevin Love and Westbrook would both be in Laker uniforms right now and they would be in the thick of the playoffs at least.

That was a reasonable assumption. It was wrong in the end, but it was more likely than not at the time.

I have no particular desire to defend McD on this. I was really bothered at the time by the rep that Knight had coming in. But I want to be fair to McD.

Trading IT for what we got might have been a worse deal.

 

[Cheesebeef]

We still don't know where that Lakers pick will end up. We are now, what, 4 years removed. If Brandon Knight had been remotely the player most people thought he would be, it would not have been that bad of a deal.

There was a reason Knight was being traded to his THIRD team in FOUR years. What player were you or most people expecting him to be?

Did anyone really believe the Lakers would be this bad for this long? Most thought that Kevin Love and Westbrook would both be in Laker uniforms right now and they would be in the thick of the playoffs at least.

First.. YES. There were people who believed they be awful for a very long time and said so at the time. As for the Westbrook/Love of it all... I didn't buy this for a milli-second. I LIVE here and watched as they bungled one thing after another... the STAY billboards with Dwight Howard. Going after Carmelo (which seemed beyond stupid), getting passed up time and time and time again by EVERY major FA.

And again, they had FREDO running the show. Jim Buss is a massive idiot, Jeanie isn't much better and Kobe was poisoning that well for as long as humanly possible.

That was a reasonable assumption. It was wrong in the end, but it was more likely than not at the time.

No it wasn't. Again, anyone who was closely paying attention could see this. Westbrook and Love were going to leave 40 MILLION DOLLARS on the table to play for one of the worst teams in basketball?

I have no particular desire to defend McD on this. I was really bothered at the time by the rep that Knight had coming in. But I want to be fair to McD.

Trading IT for what we got might have been a worse deal.

Let's just call a spade a spade here... that entire trade deadline was just an epic disaster.

 

[sunsfan88]

Really? Were you already in the know when it came to Bosh and the fact that his contract was wiped off their books?

No, I was already in the know that Pat Riley doesn't make moves without thinking 5 steps ahead and that I had a better chance at winning the million dollar lottery than him letting the Heat be bad in 2021.

 

[Sunburn]

No, I was already in the know that Pat Riley doesn't make moves without thinking 5 steps ahead and that I had a better chance at winning the million dollar lottery than him letting the Heat be bad in 2021.

Pat Riley is a master, but he won't be there forever. He's 72 years old. World War II was still being fought when he was born. He very well may not be there when the 2021 pick conveys. Hell, he may have included the pick in the deal with no protection because he knew he would be retired by then. Even if he is there, a good team is not guaranteed. Look at what we had with the Lakers pick. "The Lakers re-tool quickly, because they're the Lakers, the premiere franchise in the NBA. Everyone wants to play for them. The pick won't be that valuable".............. Compare this to "Pat Riley is one of the premiere GM's in the NBA. Everyone wants to play for him, and in Miami. They'll retool quickly. The pick won't be that valuable"........... Kind of sounds similar, right? Look at Brooklyn right now. They were a hot destination just a few years ago, with their Russian billionaire owner, and JAY-Z and Beyonce in the crowd. Now they're the toilet bowl of the NBA, and get to watch their potentially franchise altering draft picks go to Boston, while they continue to wallow in suck. First rounders without protection are extremely valuable and should not be traded away lightly.

 

[Errntknght]

The only thing that I truly hated about the whole mess was grabbing Brandon Knight... not only did he have the rap of being a 'me first and only' player he was another freaking combo guard... and since we threw Tyler Ennis into the deal and were shedding IT, we were left with zero PGs. We were guaranteed another two years of a wretched backcourt. And paying through the nose for it as well.

 

[Sunburn]

Maybe we're getting wires crossed here... trading the Lakers pick was a disaster because the Suns FO brass should have been able to foresee they were going to be lost in the desert longer than the Jews during Exodus!

Trading the Heat picks Arent the same thing because a) they're already a solid team, especially in the East b) they got a break in cap space because of Bosh and c) They have The Godfather Pat Riley calling the shots whereas the Lakers were being run by Fredo.

It seems like Paul George really wants to play for the Lakers. And Lonzo Ball. There are rumors of Lebron wanting to go there. The Lakers are still the Lakers. They still have that mystique. Yet, they still bottomed out this year. And they will be garbage next year, when the pick conveys. The point is, every team eventually bottoms out. We have no idea where the Heat will be in 2021, when that unprotected pick conveys. Riley is 72. I'd say there's a reasonably good chance he won't be there in 2021. Even if he is, a good team is not guaranteed. Look at Brooklyn right now. Just a few years ago, they were a sexy destination, with their Russian billionaire owner, and Jay-Z and Beyonce. Now, they have the pleasure of seeing their #1 pick in the draft go to Boston. And they almost assuredly will have a similar pleasure next year. First rounders without protection are an extremely valuable asset, and should not be traded away lightly.

 

[devilalum]

Pat Riley is a master, but he won't be there forever. He's 72 years old. World War II was still being fought when he was born. He very well may not be there when the 2021 pick conveys. Hell, he may have included the pick in the deal with no protection because he knew he would be retired by then. Even if he is there, a good team is not guaranteed. Look at what we had with the Lakers pick. "The Lakers re-tool quickly, because they're the Lakers, the premiere franchise in the NBA. Everyone wants to play for them. The pick won't be that valuable".............. Compare this to "Pat Riley is one of the premiere GM's in the NBA. Everyone wants to play for him, and in Miami. They'll retool quickly. The pick won't be that valuable"........... Kind of sounds similar, right? Look at Brooklyn right now. They were a hot destination just a few years ago, with their Russian billionaire owner, and JAY-Z and Beyonce in the crowd. Now they're the toilet bowl of the NBA, and get to watch their potentially franchise altering draft picks go to Boston, while they continue to wallow in suck. First rounders without protection are extremely valuable and should not be traded away lightly.

Did you write that post in one breath?


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[sunsfan88]

Pat Riley is a master, but he won't be there forever. He's 72 years old. World War II was still being fought when he was born. He very well may not be there when the 2021 pick conveys. Hell, he may have included the pick in the deal with no protection because he knew he would be retired by then. Even if he is there, a good team is not guaranteed. Look at what we had with the Lakers pick. "The Lakers re-tool quickly, because they're the Lakers, the premiere franchise in the NBA. Everyone wants to play for them. The pick won't be that valuable".............. Compare this to "Pat Riley is one of the premiere GM's in the NBA. Everyone wants to play for him, and in Miami. They'll retool quickly. The pick won't be that valuable"........... Kind of sounds similar, right? Look at Brooklyn right now. They were a hot destination just a few years ago, with their Russian billionaire owner, and JAY-Z and Beyonce in the crowd. Now they're the toilet bowl of the NBA, and get to watch their potentially franchise altering draft picks go to Boston, while they continue to wallow in suck. First rounders without protection are extremely valuable and should not be traded away lightly.

I think the only people who thought this are idiots and Laker fans.

Lakers have signed 1 star FA in the last 20 or more years and that's Shaq. Just because their a big market doesn't mean they were gonna get stars.