2016-17 Around the NBA

[Hoop Head]

Golden State resigned Livingston, Iguodala, Durant, and Curry this offseason, which were their priorities. I'm glad it cost them more to retain Iggy than they anticipated because the last year of his deal could create financial problems for them but at that point he won't be playing at a very high level anyways.

They've added Omri Casspi now for more depth at their forward spots. He signed a 1 year deal at the league minimum, which is 2.1 million now for a player of his age and tenure. I think at that amount they should add another quality veteran who is chasing after a ring. Maybe Barbosa since he was there just 2 years ago and is now a free agent? Money doesn't seem to be an issue for Barbosa considering how little he signed for with us last year and how he's spoken in the past.

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[Hoop Head]

So the Gallinari trade was completed. I knew it was in the works but I lost track of it.

Yeah, it's been completed or close to it at this point. Deals can't be finalized until the 7th or 8th, I believe. To note, the Hawks won't buy out Jamal Crawford either unless he takes a big pay cut. I'm glad to see some NBA teams standing firm when it comes to buyouts of veterans. They made a similar stand last year with Mike Dunleavy when they acquired him from the Cavs.


https://clutchpoints.com/hawks-unlikely-facilitate-jamal-crawford-buyout-unless-takes-big-cut/

 

[Hoop Head]

This would be a good contract for Williams.

I'm wondering what happens to Len, if the Suns can rescind his qualifying offer or somehow use him in a trade.

If Len doesn't get an offer and returns on his qualifying deal, can he be traded? I recall there being some weird thing about players who sign for their 5th year to be an unrestricted free agent the following offseason. I know Greg Monroe did that somewhat recently. I think if we trade him, his new team wouldn't have his bird rights, which would mean he wouldn't net very much in a trade at all, not that he would have gotten a lot without that caveat.

 

[Cheesebeef]

If Len doesn't get an offer and returns on his qualifying deal, can he be traded? I recall there being some weird thing about players who sign for their 5th year to be an unrestricted free agent the following offseason. I know Greg Monroe did that somewhat recently. I think if we trade him, his new team wouldn't have his bird rights, which would mean he wouldn't net very much in a trade at all, not that he would have gotten a lot without that caveat.

If he doesn't even get an offer from anyone, I think that says it all about his value... or lack thereof.

My goodness... weren't there people debating whether or not we should preemptively sign him to a 70/5 deal?! This board cracks me up sometimes...

 

[Mainstreet]

If Len doesn't get an offer and returns on his qualifying deal, can he be traded? I recall there being some weird thing about players who sign for their 5th year to be an unrestricted free agent the following offseason. I know Greg Monroe did that somewhat recently. I think if we trade him, his new team wouldn't have his bird rights, which would mean he wouldn't net very much in a trade at all, not that he would have gotten a lot without that caveat.

I think the Suns will rescind his qualifying offer first if they still have this option.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I think the Suns will rescind his qualifying offer first if they still have this option.

I don't know... it's what... 6.5 million? For 6.5 million he's worth another flier as a backup big. And if the light DOES go on, we then have his bird rights to outbid anyone else, right?

 

[Mainstreet]

I don't know... it's what... 6.5 million? For 6.5 million he's worth another flier as a backup big. And if the light DOES go on, we then have his bird rights to outbid anyone else, right?

Len's qualifying offer gives the Suns a cap hold of $12.1 million. It could be money better spent in facilitating trades. The bird rights, if it applies on a qualifying offer, is something to consider.

Extending the qualifying offers of $4.2 million to Len and $1.7 million to Williams means the Suns add salary cap holds of $12.1 million and $1.7 million, respectively, to their books, according to salary data from Basketball Insiders’ Eric Pincus.

http://arizonasports.com/story/1159883/suns-extend-qualifying-offers-alex-len-alan-williams/

 

[Folster]

If he doesn't even get an offer from anyone, I think that says it all about his value... or lack thereof.

My goodness... weren't there people debating whether or not we should preemptively sign him to a 70/5 deal?! This board cracks me up sometimes...

Go take a look at the contracts handed out last year and it's not hard to see why some thought Len could get a big offer. Mozgov got 4 years 64 million!

 

[GatorAZ]

Go take a look at the contracts handed out last year and it's not hard to see why some thought Len could get a big offer. Mozgov got 4 years 64 million!

Maybe teams are learning.

There hasn't been a Deng, Mosgov, Noah, Parsons-esque mistake yet.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Len's qualifying offer gives the Suns a cap hold of $12.1 million. It could be money better spent in facilitating trades. The bird rights, if it applies on a qualifying offer, is something to consider.


http://arizonasports.com/story/1159883/suns-extend-qualifying-offers-alex-len-alan-williams/

But if he actually signs the contract doesn't the cap hit become just what the contract is?

I would think they would come up with something other than the qualifying offer contract. 3 years 20 million or something

 

[Folster]

But if he actually signs the contract doesn't the cap hit become just what the contract is?

I would think they would come up with something other than the qualifying offer contract. 3 years 20 million or something

He can play for the QO assuming the Suns don't pull it and try his luck at unrestricted free agency next year.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Go take a look at the contracts handed out last year and it's not hard to see why some thought Len could get a big offer. Mozgov got 4 years 64 million!

Mozgov was a starter who one season previous had a really good Finals and then was injured the next year.

Len has had like four nice 10 game runs on a team no one gives a crap about and is injury prone to boot.

 

[Hoop Head]

If he doesn't even get an offer from anyone, I think that says it all about his value... or lack thereof.

My goodness... weren't there people debating whether or not we should preemptively sign him to a 70/5 deal?! This board cracks me up sometimes...

We're only 4 days into FA this year and I'd be surprised if he doesn't get an offer from somewhere. Players can't officially sign any deals until July 6th at 9am locally, which is Thursday. Everyone knows that Phoenix is well under the cap and could match any offer that gets made while still having some cap room. We've been rumored in a ton of trades since the draft though and it's been made known that we're willing to help facilitate a larger trade for some compensation. Any team interested in Len are waiting for the Suns to make a move of some sort before they get him to sign an offer sheet, because any deal we make could put us in position to decline to match. Even if it's just resigning Big Sauce.

I wanted the Suns to sign him to an extension but I can't recall anyone calling for that sort of extension. Those were numbers thrown around as potential offers he'd get. Most people that wanted to sign him to an extension wanted to do so to avoid having to pay him that kind of money. They also thought he'd take the next step in his career but that didn't happen. He not only failed to earn the starting role like many hoped but he was actually outplayed by our 3rd string center. From what I can recall though the money involved in an extension was around $8-10 million annually, which would be around 4 years/$32-40 million in total. Had he actually improved that would have been a good deal. I'm glad we didn't extend him considering how he seemingly regressed as a player, I doubt anyone is upset we didn't extend him last offseason other than Len himself and his agent because chances are he would have gotten more from us then than we're willing to pay now.

 

[elindholm]

If Len doesn't get an offer and returns on his qualifying deal, can he be traded? I recall there being some weird thing about players who sign for their 5th year to be an unrestricted free agent the following offseason.

He can't be traded "without his consent."

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q101

 

[leclerc]

I wonder if the Suns might have interest in Olynyk. It has already been discussed a bit.

Please no dirty players on my Suns thank you.

 

[Mainstreet]

Please no dirty players on my Suns thank you.

I've never watched him enough to know he is a dirty player.

 

[Mainstreet]

But if he actually signs the contract doesn't the cap hit become just what the contract is?

I would think they would come up with something other than the qualifying offer contract. 3 years 20 million or something

My thoughts are along this line as well about the cap hit. Perhaps it's a projection.

If Len only signs for the qualifying offer, he is betting than his value will increase when he becomes a FA rather than accepting something along the lines of 3 years, 20 million as you suggest.

 

[Ronin]

Lavar Ball Vs Embiid escalated quickly.

 

[Ronin]

JOEL EMBIID SETS OFF VERBAL FIREWORKS ON JULY 4TH DIRECTED AT LAVAR BALL
Verbal fireworks on the 4th of July? Sounds about right.

Joel Embiid took to Instagram Live yesterday and well, he had some harsh words for the patriarch of the Ball family.

"F--- LaVar Ball," he said in a 20-second clip captured by TMZ Sports. It appeared as if Embiid was wasting time during a rainstorm in Philadelphia before a fireworks show, chatting with fans, and the comments were prompted when The Process was asked about LaVar's recent shots at the Sixers

http://www.csnphilly.com/the700level/joel-embiid-sets-verbal-fireworks-july-4th-directed-lavar-ball

 

[Ronin]

CBS Sports NBA‏Verified account@CBSSportsNBA 38m38 minutes ago
NBA Trade Rumors: Celtics could look to acquire Marc Gasol from Grizzlies http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-trade-rumors-celtics-could-look-to-acquire-marc-gasol-from-grizzlies/…

 

[Cheesebeef]

CBS Sports NBA‏Verified account@CBSSportsNBA 38m38 minutes ago
NBA Trade Rumors: Celtics could look to acquire Marc Gasol from Grizzlies http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-trade-rumors-celtics-could-look-to-acquire-marc-gasol-from-grizzlies/…

That would be an interesting move.

It's another B player, but maybe they could turn all their B players into a mid 2000s Pistons-like squad.

 

[Ronin]

Adrian Wojnarowski‏Verified account@wojespn 2m2 minutes ago
Free agent guard Nick Young has agreed to a one-year, $5.2M deal with the Golden State Warriors, agent Mark Bartelstein tells ESPN.

 

[devilalum]

That would be an interesting move.

It's another B player, but maybe they could turn all their B players into a mid 2000s Pistons-like squad.

That doesn't seem like enough to get past the Warriors but their getting pretty close to passing the Cavs.

 

[Ronin]

Sam Amick‏Verified account@sam_amick 28s28 seconds ago
As I mentioned on @957thegame, Kevin Durant was an active member of the Warriors' Nick Young recruitment bunch. Talked to him a lot.

 

[Mainstreet]

Looking at the Trail Blazers salary situation, they are going to have to cut some salary somewhere.

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/portland_trail_blazers/