2016-17 Around the NBA

[elindholm]

New York's $71M offer sheet to Tim Hardaway Jr.

Can this possibly be correct?

 

[Mainstreet]

I can't remember when free agency has dragged on for so many players. It's weird.

With cap space drying up around the NBA a number of team are waiting for bargains much like shoppers at a thrift store.

The Suns are in position to capitalize in a number of ways such as signing their own free agents (hopefully at a reasonable price) or taking on a bad contract for draft picks.

Maybe the Suns even figure out a way to include Brandon Knight in a trade. There are some worse contracts out there.

 

[Finito]

Idk if I would of given Harden that kind of money. He has a horrible history in the playoffs

 

[overseascardfan]

Idk if I would of given Harden that kind of money. He has a horrible history in the playoffs

At 32 years old he will be making $46M in the final year of his extension, that's over $500K a game! Lebron's next deal will be over $50M a year if he stays in CLE, absolutely ludicrous. It makes you wonder if the NBA will wind up like the NHL. Analysts talk about how television money is the reason the NBA is generating so much money but will the bubble burst because of the size of these contracts? With all the new media platforms available to access sports and the increasing number of people cutting the cord to cable, will the next television rights contract bring the NBA back down to Earth along with player salaries?

 

[Phrazbit]

I've been out of the country for a few weeks, just got back... first things I see is a top Sixer pick just got helped off the court and the Knicks are hiring a GM based almost entirely on his name.

So... not much has changed.

 

[Raindog]

At 32 years old he will be making $46M in the final year of his extension, that's over $500K a game! Lebron's next deal will be over $50M a year if he stays in CLE, absolutely ludicrous. It makes you wonder if the NBA will wind up like the NHL. Analysts talk about how television money is the reason the NBA is generating so much money but will the bubble burst because of the size of these contracts? With all the new media platforms available to access sports and the increasing number of people cutting the cord to cable, will the next television rights contract bring the NBA back down to Earth along with player salaries?

That is EXACTLY what is going to happen, precisely when the next TV contract is up. The NBA will be a dead league walking... or at least the teams that have multiple $100 million plus contracts hanging around their necks. There are going to be some massive fire sales in the next decade, and some franchises are going to be paralyzed by their payrolls. Things will get ugly - it will be the pro sports equivalent of the real estate bubble, with lots of money getting eaten by teams that are overspending.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

That is EXACTLY what is going to happen, precisely when the next TV contract is up. The NBA will be a dead league walking... or at least the teams that have multiple $100 million plus contracts hanging around their necks. There are going to be some massive fire sales in the next decade, and some franchises are going to be paralyzed by their payrolls. Things will get ugly - it will be the pro sports equivalent of the real estate bubble, with lots of money getting eaten by teams that are overspending.

I'm not completely sold on this. We have been moving further and further away from regular TV for years now and yet the Last TV deal is easily the biggest ever. It may go down in the next TV deal, but I don't think it is going to have an insane drop that fast.

 

[Phrazbit]

That is EXACTLY what is going to happen, precisely when the next TV contract is up. The NBA will be a dead league walking... or at least the teams that have multiple $100 million plus contracts hanging around their necks. There are going to be some massive fire sales in the next decade, and some franchises are going to be paralyzed by their payrolls. Things will get ugly - it will be the pro sports equivalent of the real estate bubble, with lots of money getting eaten by teams that are overspending.

Nah, not with the way the NBA cap system works. The only teams who MIGHT lose money are ones deep in the luxury tax and there are only a few of those. The owners have rigged it pretty good with the cap structure and the TV contract. Cap is based on revenue, it will go up (or hypothetically down) as revenue does. A team has to be galactically stupid to paralyze themselves for more than a couple seasons by bad contracts.

Portland is probably the only current team in really bad shape, a hole they dug themselves by spending big on mediocre free agents. IMO all these guys sitting around waiting for attention is a result of the league taking note of how spending for "depth" instead of potential star power will kill you.

That Harden contract is a sight to behold but those are not the deals that murder a franchise, it's when you're dropping a combined 300 million over 4 years for guys like Allen Crabbe, Moe Harkless, Myers Leonard and Evan Turner... THAT is the kind of stuff that murders a team. And even so, Portland is only in this hole for 3 season. While that may seem like a long time it is nothing like what the hole the Knicks put themselves in during the early 2000s, locked into cap hell for like 6 or 7 years.

 

[Jay Cardinal]

Is Nerlens Noel signed? If not, what kind of contract would he be looking at? Might fit in Phoenix if we ditch Len.

 

[Phrazbit]

Is Nerlens Noel signed? If not, what kind of contract would he be looking at? Might fit in Phoenix if we ditch Len.

He's a restricted free agent but Dallas is early in an overhaul and he is one of their only young players, I suspect they'll match any offer and the only reason they have not signed him themselves is that they're hoping someone offers him something in the 15-20 million range, making it easy for them to match. A full max contract would probably make them hesitate but I think they'd match anyway because if they let him walk what are they left to build around... Harrison Barnes?

 

[Ronin]

Sources: Raptors agree to deal DeMarre Carroll, picks to Nets for Justin Hamilton
In a move to create salary-cap flexibility, the Toronto Raptors have agreed to trade forward DeMarre Carroll to the Brooklyn Nets, league sources told ESPN.

For the Nets to take on the two years and $30 million left on Carroll's contract, the Raptors will attach a 2018 lottery-protected first-round and second-round pick to the deal, league sources said.

The Nets will send center Justin Hamilton to Toronto in the trade, sources say.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...018-draft-picks-brooklyn-nets-justin-hamilton

 

[Ronin]

Report: Knicks “progressing toward” opening contract talks with David Griffin about GM job
There is a long way to go and many questions to be answered, but the Knicks are on the path to doing something smart:

Hiring David Griffin as their new general manager.

From the moment Phil Jackson was let go by Knicks’ owner James Dolan — just a couple of days before the start of free agency — it seemed the smart move was for the Knicks to call up Griffin and talk. Griffin is available because Dan Gilbert didn’t want to pay the going rate and saw the direction of the team differently, that despite Griffin playing a key role in putting together the team that brought Cleveland its first NBA title ever (and Gilbert pissed off LeBron James in the process). Griffin is smart and well respected around the league, the smart thing was for the Knicks to call him up and talk.

http://nba.nbcsports.com/2017/07/09...ntract-talks-with-david-griffin-about-gm-job/

 

[Krangodnzr]

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...018-draft-picks-brooklyn-nets-justin-hamilton

I think that would've been a nice get for the Suns.

 

[ColdPickleNachos]

I think that would've been a nice get for the Suns.

I agree, but the issue is that Carroll is a good player deserving of minutes, and you don't want to give up Warren or Jackson's minutes. Great trade for the Nets because they get a starting small forward in addition to draft pick compensation, but the Suns are already loaded at small forward.

Ideally, the Suns can bring on the DeMarre Carroll of centers. Or, a worse player with better compensation. I think it's a bad look to bring in a solid starter and not give him good minutes, and $30 million is a lot of money to just release the player.

 

[Folster]

That Harden contract is a sight to behold but those are not the deals that murder a franchise, it's when you're dropping a combined 300 million over 4 years for guys like Allen Crabbe, Moe Harkless, Myers Leonard and Evan Turner... THAT is the kind of stuff that murders a team. And even so, Portland is only in this hole for 3 season. While that may seem like a long time it is nothing like what the hole the Knicks put themselves in during the early 2000s, locked into cap hell for like 6 or 7 years.

Agreed on the last part. The owners have helped themselves by continuously negotiating down the max number of contract years. Those 6 and 7 year contracts were killers.

It wasn't too long ago that Glenn Robinson got a 10 year contract as the #1 pick. The rookie scale and restricted free agency has been a boon for the owners.

I think we'll see some contraction in the cap as the TV money bubble deflates. If it bursts, the NBA could be in for protracted work stoppage.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Agreed on the last part. The owners have helped themselves by continuously negotiating down the max number of contract years. Those 6 and 7 year contracts we're killers.

It wasn't too long ago that Glenn Robinson got a 10 year contract as the #1 pick. The rookie scale and restricted free agency has been a boon for the owners.

I think we'll see some contraction in the cap as the TV money bubble deflates. If it bursts, the NBA could be in for protracted work stoppage.

The redeeming factor in the CBA is the four and five year contracts. If teams do something dumb, at least they are not stuck for a decade. Its not the unguaranteed contracts of the NFL but it moves toward it.

Everyone is making money in the NBA right now. The players. The large market owners paying the lux tax, and the small market owners reaping the tax. The only fools are the small market owners who overspend.

 

[Mainstreet]

I agree, but the issue is that Carroll is a good player deserving of minutes, and you don't want to give up Warren or Jackson's minutes. Great trade for the Nets because they get a starting small forward in addition to draft pick compensation, but the Suns are already loaded at small forward.

Ideally, the Suns can bring on the DeMarre Carroll of centers. Or, a worse player with better compensation. I think it's a bad look to bring in a solid starter and not give him good minutes, and $30 million is a lot of money to just release the player.

Also the Toronto picks do not see worth it for tying up this much money and Carroll does not fulfill a need.

I read somewhere in the rumor mill the Suns might want to make a run at Cousins when he becomes a free agent.

In any regard, the Suns will need to add a key player or two before Booker becomes a free agent in 2019/20. The Suns have a window of opportunity before have to commit a large sum of money to Booker.

 

[Folster]

I really like the direction the league is taking with the G league. It's turning into a farm system which will be beneficial to small market teams much like it is in baseball, especially when Silver rolls back the 1 year removed from highschool requirement.

 

[Ronin]

Legion Hoops @LegionHoops

Toronto & Indiana have agreed in principle. CJ Miles will sign a 3-year/$25M deal with Toronto. Corey Joseph heads to Indy. (via

 

[Ronin]

Marc J. Spears @MarcJSpearsESPN

Ex-Cavs GM David Griffin has pulled his name out of the Knicks' GM and president search after he couldn't come... (link: http://www.espn.com/espn/now?nowId=21-0675792051240966921-4) espn.com/espn/now?nowId…1:56 PM · Jul 9, 2017
Replying to @MarcJSpearsESPN and @ESPNNBA

 

[Ronin]

Shams Charania @ShamsCharania

Free agent center Aron Baynes has reached agreement on a one-year, $4.3M deal with the Boston Celtics, league sources tell The Vertical.

 

[Ronin]

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[Ronin]

Brian Windhorst @WindhorstESPN

The Raptors plan to waive and stretch C Justin Hamilton after acquiring him from Nets, league sources say.

 

[Ronin]

@ESPNStatsInfo

There has not been a single NBA head coaching change this offseason. Last offseason to feature 0 head coaching changes was 1975

 

[Ronin]

ESPN Stats & Info @ESPNStatsInfo

We're in the midst of day 10 of NBA free agency. Owners have combined to spend $2.3 BILLION thus far.