2016 NBA Draft thread

[JCSunsfan]

Just curious about Simmons. He is a pf that plays like a pg. Grabs the rebound and goes length of the floor. Trying figure is he is Magic or Charles. He rebounds and passes and drives effectively but has a completely disrespected outside shot. He is like the opposite of Kieff. No. Maybe a 6-10 Eric Bledsoe with better passing skills?

Certainly a unique player.

A Simmons/Warren/Booker trio would be interesting. Add to that a defensive minded pass first pg and Len at center and you have a very interesting team.

Who knows, maybe this is finally out year for the draft.

 

[hcsilla]

Just curious about Simmons. He is a pf that plays like a pg. Grabs the rebound and goes length of the floor. Trying figure is he is Magic or Charles. He rebounds and passes and drives effectively but has a completely disrespected outside shot. He is like the opposite of Kieff. No. Maybe a 6-10 Eric Bledsoe with better passing skills?

Certainly a unique player.

A Simmons/Warren/Booker trio would be interesting. Add to that a defensive minded pass first pg and Len at center and you have a very interesting team.

Which is perfectly describes Kris Dunn.

Trade Knight for a #6-8 pick and Dunn might be available, although I'm afraid that after Simmons and Ingram Dunn easily could be in the conversation at #3.

Then trade Bledsoe for a young PF (if Porzingis keeps his late struggling, would be the Knicks willing to trade Calderon, Porzingis for Bledsoe?) and the Suns suddenly have a lineup of young promising players with star potential and much more willingness and abilities to share and pass the ball:

Dunn/Booker/Simmons(Warren)/Porzingis(Simmons)/Len(Porzingis)

 

[Catlover]

Which is perfectly describes Kris Dunn.

Trade Knight for a #6-8 pick and Dunn might be available, although I'm afraid that after Simmons and Ingram Dunn easily could be in the conversation at #3.

Then trade Bledsoe for a young PF (if Porzingis keeps his late struggling, would be the Knicks willing to trade Calderon, Porzingis for Bledsoe?) and the Suns suddenly have a lineup of young promising players with star potential and much more willingness and abilities to share and pass the ball:

Dunn/Booker/Simmons(Warren)/Porzingis(Simmons)/Len(Porzingis)

I think it's doubtful but I guess it's possible that New York decides not to wait on Porzingis. If that happens though there will likely be better offers than Bledsoe. 13 points and 8 boards per game for a mobile, versatile 20 year old player with great height and even greater wingspan will draw serious interest from most of the teams.

 

[sunsfan88]

Just curious about Simmons. He is a pf that plays like a pg. Grabs the rebound and goes length of the floor. Trying figure is he is Magic or Charles. He rebounds and passes and drives effectively but has a completely disrespected outside shot. He is like the opposite of Kieff. No. Maybe a 6-10 Eric Bledsoe with better passing skills?

Certainly a unique player.

A Simmons/Warren/Booker trio would be interesting. Add to that a defensive minded pass first pg and Len at center and you have a very interesting team.

Who knows, maybe this is finally out year for the draft.

A modern day comparison could be Blake Griffin. Another player would be Anthony Davis even though I've seen him do it less this season than in years past. Davis is actually a former PG as well till he hit his growth spurt.

 

[hcsilla]

Simmons doesn't really have anything common with Griffin and Davis who are both natural PF's.

Simmons is a super-versatile wingman ala Magic Johnson.

 

[elindholm]

Then trade Bledsoe for a young PF (if Porzingis keeps his late struggling, would be the Knicks willing to trade Calderon, Porzingis for Bledsoe?)

Not a chance. The buzz about Porzingis is huge. He's already the team's most popular player, and every good play he makes brings the house down. (I watch a lot of Knicks games because I enjoy Clyde Frazier so much.)

 

[JCSunsfan]

Not a chance. The buzz about Porzingis is huge. He's already the team's most popular player, and every good play he makes brings the house down. (I watch a lot of Knicks games because I enjoy Clyde Frazier so much.)

I agree with this. No way NY lets go of Porzingis.

 

[slinslin]

Simmons doesn't really have anything common with Griffin and Davis who are both natural PF's.

Simmons is a super-versatile wingman ala Magic Johnson.

I wouldn't be so sure about that.

He could be an athletic 6'10 version of Draymond Green. Basically Lamar Odom on steroids.

He is definitely going to be a 4 in the NBA.

 

[Catlover]

I wouldn't be so sure about that.

He could be an athletic 6'10 version of Draymond Green. Basically Lamar Odom on steroids.

He is definitely going to be a 4 in the NBA.

He is "definitely" going to be one of the most truly positionless players we've seen. He has skills that match up with several positions and flaws at each of them. It's far too early to declare his NBA position with confidence IMO.

 

[GatorAZ]

Simmons reminds me a bit of Pistons' version Grant Hill. Freak athlete and triple double threat every night. If he ever gets to be just an average shooter it's over.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Simmons reminds me a bit of Pistons' version Grant Hill. Freak athlete and triple double threat every night. If he ever gets to be just an average shooter it's over.

Danny Manning. Yep, that's it. That who he reminds me of the most.

 

[BC867]

A Simmons/Warren/Booker trio would be interesting. Add to that a defensive minded pass first pg and Len at center and you have a very interesting team.

Unfortunately, I don't think that we can write in Alex Len as our Center of the future. He just hasn't progressed steadily so far. Perhaps he still can, but he can't wait too much longer to take a step. Especially in terms of consistency and staying out of foul trouble.

 

[hcsilla]

He is "definitely" going to be one of the most truly positionless players we've seen. He has skills that match up with several positions and flaws at each of them. It's far too early to declare his NBA position with confidence IMO.

I agree.

And for those who say than Simmons is going to be a PF: now he doesn't do anything that reminds you of an NBA power forward.

He simply knows how to use his height and weight advantage (which he won't have against NBA bigmen) against smaller players. Since in college almost everybody is smaller than him, he scores in the paint after simple drives.

 

[hcsilla]

Grant Hill was a more explosive athlete and a true SF.

Danny Manning was a much better shooter and post-up scorer in college than Simmons.

 

[slinslin]

Draymond Green is no traditional PF either.

Simmons is 6'10 and rebounds very well, he will be a PF. Almost every team in the league wants a PF that is athletic, rebounds, runs the floor and can pass etc..

Simmons plays a lot like Lebron.

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21/20/7 against Marquette and against Ellenson who is a PF lottery pick in 2016 also.

 

[hcsilla]

Draymond Green is no traditional PF either.

Simmons is 6'10 and rebounds very well, he will be a PF. Almost every team in the league wants a PF that is athletic, rebounds, runs the floor and can pass etc..

Simmons plays a lot like Lebron.

Yes, and everybody knows that LeBron is a PF.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Grant Hill was a more explosive athlete and a true SF.

Danny Manning was a much better shooter and post-up scorer in college than Simmons.

Not as a freshman.

BTW, Simmons looks to be a fantastic athlete. Grant Hill is smaller. Simmons is bigger and very FAST, he has great handles, excellent rebounding instincts, and one of the best passing big men I have ever seen (at that age). I am sure his game has flaws, but the big picture spells a dominating player.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Yes, and everybody knows that LeBron is a PF.

LeBron is anything he wants to be.

 

[hcsilla]

Not as a freshman.

When drafted.

 

[JCSunsfan]

When drafted.

Correct, which really isnt a fair comparison. Both Manning and Hill were seniors.

 

[hcsilla]

BTW, Simmons looks to be a fantastic athlete. Grant Hill is smaller. Simmons is bigger and very FAST, he has great handles, excellent rebounding instincts, and one of the best passing big men I have ever seen (at that age). I am sure his game has flaws, but the big picture spells a dominating player.

Absolutely.

I'm just saying he seems quite different from Danny Manning and Grant Hill.

 

[hcsilla]

Both Manning and Hill were seniors.

I know.

But right now Simmons doesn't look like Manning or Hill as a future pro. His improvement might take another direction but you can say that about a lot of rookies.

Seriously, do you really remember Manning as a freshman in college?

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Many of you will take this comparison as a negative, but the best comparison is Lamar Odom when he was at Rhode Island. He was a transcendent talent. Long, ball handling skills, not a dominant but good athlete. There's a reason he went #4 behind Brand, Frances, and baron Davis . . . he was good enough to be #1 but questions about character, not ability, relegated him to #4.

Simmons isn't the athlete that was grant hill. He isn't the post player that manning was. And he's definitely not the athlete/physical brute that was Lebron even coming out of college. He's much more a point forward. He's a wing.

 

[GatorAZ]

I know.

But right now Simmons doesn't look like Manning or Hill as a future pro. His improvement might take another direction but you can say that about a lot of rookies.

Seriously, do you really remember Manning as a freshman in college?

Simmons looks like Hill did in Detroit but we need to see him play vs legit competition. Right now LSU games look like AAU ball.

I don't see the Manning comparison either. Simmons is a transition/above the rim player right now. His court vision is awesome but again they haven't faced much in terms of competition.

 

[slinslin]

Yes, and everybody knows that LeBron is a PF.

It has been his best position for the last few years, especially in Miami with Bosh at the 5 and Lebron as the 4.