2016 NBA Draft thread

[slinslin]

Michael Beasley had insane numbers as well. Better than Durant or Blake Griffin.

Beasley 26.2ppg 12.4rpg 1.2apg 1.3spg 1.6bpg 53%FG 31.5mpg
Durant 25.8ppg 11.1rpg 1.3apg 1.9spg 1.9bpg 57%FG 35.9mpg

 

[JCSunsfan]

Michael Beasley had insane numbers as well. Better than Durant or Blake Griffin.

Beasley 26.2ppg 12.4rpg 1.2apg 1.3spg 1.6bpg 53%FG 31.5mpg
Durant 25.8ppg 11.1rpg 1.3apg 1.9spg 1.9bpg 57%FG 35.9mpg

The problem was Beasley was just plain insane. That guy is just not right.

They should do a pych profile for these guys, probably do.

 

[hcsilla]

This kind of reminds me of the Oden /
Durant and Ingram have a lot of similarities

I don't know. Durant was a much better player than Ingram. A better athlete and shooter, more fluid and skilled.

 

[slinslin]

I don't know. Durant was a much better player than Ingram. A better athlete and shooter, more fluid and skilled.

They are very close in terms of shooting.

Ingram 47.9%FG 38.5%3s TS 57.3%
Durant 47.3%FG 40.4%3s TS 58.4%

And more skilled is subjective, Durant has improved a lot since he was drafted.

Durant put up more points and rebounds, Ingram gets more assists, steals and blocks on a per minute basis, Ingram plays about 31 and Durant played around 36.

Ingram is absolutely elite.

Look at his stat development
http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/brandon-ingram-1/gamelog/

His last 9 games were much better than the first 7.

I like Simmons more because he has more flair but Ingram could very well be the better prospect. Ingram does not have real holes in his game, Simmons is not a good shooter. Ingrams position is more clear, he is a 6'10 SF with 7'4 wingspan. I think Durant is a very good comparison for Ingram, Ingram is a little less athletic I think.

This draft is shaping up better than I thought it would. Kris Dunn looks very good too, Jamal Murray from Kentucky as a shooting guard, Buddy Hields looks good. Skal Labissiere is still a high upside pick and Dragan Bender is a high risk high reward player. Then you still have Rabb, Ellenson, Trier

 

[hcsilla]

Put stats how you want, I remember Durant as a college player, Ingram is nowhere near to him.

I still like Ingram, he is fine, even as a top prospect, I see a lot of Giannis in him, but Durant as a college player was just on another level.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Well. I've started really watching these players. I love Simmons. He scores, rebounds. He passes like a guard. His defense is better than I thought it would be.

Ingram looks good too. He is a better shooter than Simmons, but behind him in everything else. Efficient player.

Bender is an unknown but very intriguing. He is huge and very mobile.

 

[leclerc]

I'm thinking PF or _pure_ PG next draft. Booker should start next year. Trade Knight. Trade Bledsoe if we get a pure PG somehow.

If we get lucky in the lottery (LOL) then get best talent available off course.

 

[Phrazbit]

I'm thinking PF or _pure_ PG next draft. Booker should start next year. Trade Knight. Trade Bledsoe if we get a pure PG somehow.

If we get lucky in the lottery (LOL) then get best talent available off course.

Booker's play has probably forced the issue, I think they'll be shopping Knight this Feb. Unless they can talk Knight into playing the role they'd envisioned for Isiah Thomas and have him be the super-sub off the bench. Which is probably a role he'd excel in.

 

[BC867]

Unless they can talk Knight into playing the role they'd envisioned for Isiah Thomas and have him be the super-sub off the bench. Which is probably a role he'd excel in.

How many times are we going to hope for this? And with how many different player combinations?

A player's psyche is just as much a part of the equation as his combination of skills and limitations. Talk him into playing the role of super-sub at this stage of his career?

The real problem is that our GM and Head Coach seem to be trapped in that mentality. And realize there is no graceful way of backing down.

Only Sarver can end the frustration of it all. By arranging for them to move on, so the Suns can (belatedly) start again for another six years of rebuilding. The sooner the better.

Phraz, do you sincerely believe that management can talk Knight into playing the role they envisioned for Thomas? Or any other player in his situation?

 

[Phrazbit]

How many times are we going to hope for this? And with how many different player combinations?

A player's psyche is just as much a part of the equation as his combination of skills and limitations. Talk him into playing the role of super-sub at this stage of his career?

The real problem is that our GM and Head Coach seem to be trapped in that mentality. And realize there is no graceful way of backing down.

Only Sarver can end the frustration of it all. By arranging for them to move on, so the Suns can (belatedly) start again for another six years of rebuilding. The sooner the better.

Phraz, do you sincerely believe that management can talk Knight into playing the role they envisioned for Thomas? Or any other player in his situation?

No, I doubt he would accept it, but I think it would be in his best interest to embrace that role, and I don't think its outside the realm of possibility. I do think there are high level players who can adjust to situations and embrace different types of roles, Andre Iguodala for instance.

I think you've taken Dragic as the standard and view his inability to adjust or understand that he was far better in the "Ginobili" role than as "the man" as something that applies to almost all players. I think there are quite a few guys who are flexible.

Dragic's situation was a failing of Dragic and his own fragile psyche. His continued mediocre, at best, play in Miami is further evidence that he has a poor grasp of his own strengths and weaknesses. His role got more and more diminished here because Isiah was so clearly outplaying him. In Miami it has become rather obvious that he is a system player who really SHOULD be playing next to a guy like Bledsoe who can push the pace with him and handle the ball some (as Dragic stinks in the half court).

Furthermore, we're year 3 of rebuilding not 6.

 

[Errntknght]

My very first impression of Knight was that he was hard headed about being PG and the 'man'. I think there's a better chance Bledsoe would settle into a back up role than Knight doing it - in fact the only role I like for Bled is backup and I don't like Knight for any role. Hopefully Booker blossoms into such a good SG that McD realizes the best thing to do is pair him with a real PG - and Warren is a second good reason to go that direction. I don't care what Hornacek thinks because he has to go if we are going to even get a good handle on what our guys are capable of.

 

[sunsfan88]

The Suns should sell on Knight when his value is high IMO. And I honestly think his value probably decreases every day he remains on the roster.

I don't know what the Nets have to offer anymore since they mortgaged most of their assets to McD's old boss Danny Ainge but apparently their owner wants to win right away and is looking for players to help them with that. We could send Knight there for scraps. Another option would be the Raptors where their GM recently said they will look to trade their future picks and the NYK pick to get players who can help them win now.

But I do wonder if the Suns will hold on to Knight hoping that he someday becomes good enough to justify trading the LAL pick for because they know there will be a lot of backlash from the media and fans for trading Knight for scraps after giving up such a valuable asset for him in the first place.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Trading free agents six months after you sign them is not a good look. It can't help your prospects of signing others in the future.

 

[GatorAZ]

Get rid of Chandler, Mirza and PJ. I'd like to deal Knight but I don't see McD settling for less than he gave for him.

 

[slinslin]

You dont trade Chandler unless you get great value. You need some veterans and trading Chandler would just open a need at center.

Chandlers contract is not so bad. Robin Lopez is making more and most serviceable centers in FA will make more or about the same.

 

[BC867]

Trading free agents six months after you sign them is not a good look. It can't help your prospects of signing others in the future.

'Good point . . . unless we get rid of the powers-that-be who put us in this mess. And bring in experienced NBA leaders.

Then it would be (to coin a phrase) a whole new ball game. "Be part of the new look Suns."

 

[Ronin]

@franfraschilla: If I'm NBA team, praying Sabonis comes out. Size, instincts, toughness, improved midrange & excellent off dribble vs. bigs. Top 10. Trust me


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[slinslin]

Too bad he has almost no athleticism.

His big games all came against very very weak competition.

If he goes top10 some team makes a mistake.


Simmons, Ingram, Rabb, Dunn, Brown, Bender, Poetl, Ellenson

Those eight have to be locks for top 10.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Too bad he has almost no athleticism.

His big games all came against very very weak competition.

If he goes top10 some team makes a mistake.


Simmons, Ingram, Rabb, Dunn, Brown, Bender, Poetl, Ellenson

Those eight have to be locks for top 10.

Not sure how you define athleticism. He is big, strong, well-coordinated and extremely skilled. Does he have to run fast and jump high? I don't know exactly how important that is when you are 6-10 and can do the other things.

 

[hcsilla]

Sabonis is very skilled and matured but plays below the rim.

He is somewhere between Nick Collison/Tyler Hansbrough and the softer version of David West.

He would be a nice pick-up with the Cavs pick and I doubt he will be drafted in the lottery.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Sabonis is very skilled and matured but plays below the rim.

He is somewhere between Nick Collison/Tyler Hansbrough and the softer version of David West.

He would be a nice pick-up with the Cavs pick and I doubt he will be drafted in the lottery.

Nah. We will see very skilled. Strong. Excellent footwork. Tremendous motor. Very good defender in the mode of Kurt Thomas. Doesn't get steals or blocks but has incredible instinct for body position and straight up hands. He is about as solid fundamentally as any big man I have ever seen.

He is potentially an all-nba defender. Plently of players with those traits have turned out well. Kurt Thomas, Marc Gasol, Al Jefferson come to mind.

Lottery, mid-first round. Could slide into the top 10 depending on how his year pans out. His name will get him looks, his play will get him drafted.

 

[hcsilla]

I don't see the big time defender potential in Sabonis. His wingspan is only 6'10.

Kurt Thomas was much tougher, Marc Gasol is much bigger and Al Jefferson is (much) more athletic, all of them have bigger wingspan.

 

[slinslin]

I don't see the big time defender potential in Sabonis. His wingspan is only 6'10.

Kurt Thomas was much tougher, Marc Gasol is much bigger and Al Jefferson is (much) more athletic, all of them have bigger wingspan.

I think he is a 6'10 center.

At the PF position you definitely need athleticism and/or length to be at least decent defensively.
Most of his big games were against Portland, San Francisco and Pacific and other small schools.

Against ranked teams he so far had
2pts 4rebs vs Texas AM
12 pts 9 rebs vs Uconn
18 pts 16 rebs vs AZ

has not played another ranked team yet.

His teammate Kyle Wiltjer had similiar games against this competition.

He reminds me a little of Luis Scola with a little more size but less shooting touch.

I think Sabonis is a mid first round pick. I would like to get him with Clevelands pick, but in the lottery there are better prospects.

 

[SirStefan32]

Nah. We will see very skilled. Strong. Excellent footwork. Tremendous motor. Very good defender in the mode of Kurt Thomas. Doesn't get steals or blocks but has incredible instinct for body position and straight up hands. He is about as solid fundamentally as any big man I have ever seen.

He is potentially an all-nba defender. Plently of players with those traits have turned out well. Kurt Thomas, Marc Gasol, Al Jefferson come to mind.

Lottery, mid-first round. Could slide into the top 10 depending on how his year pans out. His name will get him looks, his play will get him drafted.

Other than his father.

I am a huge Sabonis fan, and I do hope we can get him when he decides he wants to play in the NBA. I don't think he will be an all-NBA defender though.

 

[overseascardfan]

Right now NBA Draft Net has us taking Ivan Rabb at #5. He wouldn't be a bad consolation prize if we can't get any of the Big 3.

Russ, I know you mentioned Rabb has indicated he will stay in school at least 2 years but if he is projected to go in the Top 5 and his teammate Jaylon Brown declares will he decide to leave Cal? Is playing with Oscar Frayer that important to him?