2017-2018 Draft Prospects watch.

[elindholm]

I almost hope the Suns draft Doncic now. I prefer Ayton, but watching a bunch of posters have mental breakdown might be pretty entertaining.

That's the same reason Trump is President. Good plan.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

That's the same reason Trump is President. Good plan.

Naw Trump is president because people saw him as the better out of the two main options.

Had the Democratic Party chosen a better option that person would probably be president right now.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I almost hope the Suns draft Doncic now. I prefer Ayton, but watching a bunch of posters have mental breakdown might be pretty entertaining.

Man... you guys who keep disavowing any contribution to the toxicity on the board just continue to prove me wrong... telling people they're having mental breakdowns simply because they disagree with you in no way contributes to problems here.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I’m not suggesting that he is an incredible shooting prospect, but to say he “shoots like a center” is pretty ridiculous. Not even completely sure what that means. There are plenty of big men that shoot a very good percentage from three. I took it more as his jump shot looks that of a center which I disagree with even more.

And to be fair I was responding to a post suggesting that I was “smoking crack” for having the opinion that I had. So I don’t exactly feel bad for suggesting they are making stuff up.

Didn't see the smoking crack part.

But I've seen others making the "making stuff up" comment multiple times from the Doncic camp now and just lumped you in with them.

 

[Cheesebeef]

That's the same reason Trump is President. Good plan.

Yup. That's the kind of stuff @Dude was posting in P & R.

I'll never get the cutting off the nose to spite your face simply to win an argument or watch others go nuts POV.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

Man... you guys who keep disavowing any contribution to the toxicity on the board just continue to prove me wrong... telling people they're having mental breakdowns simply because they disagree with you in no way contributes to problems here.

He said people would have mental breakdowns. Never suggested that they are currently having mental breakdowns.

 

[SirStefan32]

Correct.

 

[SirStefan32]

Man... you guys who keep disavowing any contribution to the toxicity on the board just continue to prove me wrong... telling people they're having mental breakdowns simply because they disagree with you in no way contributes to problems here.

There is a difference between disagreeing with someone, and blatantly making things up about a player you don't like. Crap that people post about Doncic is nonsensical. Keep in mind, I want Ayton over Doncic, and probably Bagley over Doncic too. Once you get into the territory of saying he sucks because he is a white European, and blatantly saying inaccurate things (He can't dribble, he is not strong, etc), you are no longer dealing with a rational disagreement.

 

[Phrazbit]

There is a difference between disagreeing with someone, and blatantly making things up about a player you don't like. Crap that people post about Doncic is nonsensical. Keep in mind, I want Ayton over Doncic, and probably Bagley over Doncic too. Once you get into the territory of saying he sucks because he is a white European, and blatantly saying inaccurate things (He can't dribble, he is not strong, etc), you are no longer dealing with a rational disagreement.

Agreed. Someone earlier called him soft... there are questions about Doncic, but calling a teenager soft who is consistently throwing himself into the lane and drawing contact against larger dudes that are 10 years his senior is a joke. I really like Ayton... but I WISH Ayton played with the mentality I've seen Doncic play with... if he did it would removed any question I have about Ayton being a superstar.

 

[Ronin]

Adrian Wojnarowski‏Verified account@wojespn
Guard Anfernee Simons of IMG Academy is entering the NBA Draft, his agents Drew Rosenhaus and Bobby Petriella tell ESPN. Simons is No. 19 in ESPN's most recent mock draft.

 

[Ronin]

Jon Rothstein
@JonRothstein

Miami's Bruce Brown will declare for the 2018 NBA Draft, but won't hire an agent, per his Twitter page.

 

[Cheesebeef]

There is a difference between disagreeing with someone, and blatantly making things up about a player you don't like. Crap that people post about Doncic is nonsensical. Keep in mind, I want Ayton over Doncic, and probably Bagley over Doncic too. Once you get into the territory of saying he sucks because he is a white European, and blatantly saying inaccurate things (He can't dribble, he is not strong, etc), you are no longer dealing with a rational disagreement.

But saying a 31.1% shooter is a good shooter... or that “he’ll likely get more athletic as he gets older” isn’t “blatantly making things up” and irrational? Because I’ve seen both of those arguments made and there’s zero rationality to them.

Pendulum swings both ways.

 

[SirStefan32]

But saying a 31.1% shooter is a good shooter... or that “he’ll likely get more athletic as he gets older” isn’t “blatantly making things up” and irrational? Because I’ve seen both of those arguments made and there’s zero rationality to them.

Pendulum swings both ways.

Those were a couple of random instances. Anti-Doncic crap is ongoing. If you go back to before Doncic hit a shooting slump, I called out the "great shooter" thing. That's the problem with people not watching games and just picking up the stuff they read. Couple of scouting reports called him a great shooter, and people jumped on that bandwagon. Objective folks call that out- I did. Problem is that the other side simply invents their own facts.

 

[Ronin]

Jonathan Givony
@DraftExpress

Dayton freshman Kostas Antetokounmpo (Giannis' brother) will declare for the 2018 NBA Draft, according to a source close to the situation. Antetokounmpo will be testing the waters in order to gauge his standing with NBA teams before deciding on his next move. Newser coming

 

[JCSunsfan]

I’m not suggesting that he is an incredible shooting prospect, but to say he “shoots like a center” is pretty ridiculous. Not even completely sure what that means. There are plenty of big men that shoot a very good percentage from three. I took it more as his jump shot looks that of a center which I disagree with even more.

And to be fair I was responding to a post suggesting that I was “smoking crack” for having the opinion that I had. So I don’t exactly feel bad for suggesting they are making stuff up.

OK. First. You did not quote me correctly. Look at the post. I said he "shoots the three like a center." I assume the worst position in the nba for three point shooting is center. I am not making up Doncic's three point shooting stats. He has been getting worse every year as his role and number of shots increases.

You can say I am making it up. But the facts are right there to be seen. I marvel at how they are completely ignored. I get it. Some people really like Doncic. But if you are buying the line that seems to be out there that he is a good three point shooter, well just take a look at the stats.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Jonathan Givony
@DraftExpress

Dayton freshman Kostas Antetokounmpo (Giannis' brother) will declare for the 2018 NBA Draft, according to a source close to the situation. Antetokounmpo will be testing the waters in order to gauge his standing with NBA teams before deciding on his next move. Newser coming

He has the same body type as his brother.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

OK. First. You did not quote me correctly. Look at the post. I said he "shoots the three like a center." I assume the worst position in the nba for three point shooting is center. I am not making up Doncic's three point shooting stats. He has been getting worse every year as his role and number of shots increases.

You can say I am making it up. But the facts are right there to be seen. I marvel at how they are completely ignored. I get it. Some people really like Doncic. But if you are buying the line that seems to be out there that he is a good three point shooter, well just take a look at the stats.

I think the percentage is dropping because he is taking more difficult shots. Each year as his role has expanded his ability to be selective with his shot has gone down. He creates a pretty decent amount of his own threes with stepbacks and what not and that is going to hurt the percentage.

This somewhat reminds me of Booker’s rookie season pre and post all star break. Prior to the all star break that year Booker shot 40% from 3 and was being pretty selective with a lot of catch and shoot threes. Than post all star break he was now starting and being asked to be the lead scorer and as he became less selective his percentage plummeted to 29% post all star. It actually had some people on Suns boards questioning if he was even a good shooter or not.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I think the percentage is dropping because he is taking more difficult shots. Each year as his role has expanded his ability to be selective with his shot has gone down. He creates a pretty decent amount of his own threes with stepbacks and what not and that is going to hurt the percentage.

This somewhat reminds me of Booker’s rookie season pre and post all star break. Prior to the all star break that year Booker shot 40% from 3 and was being pretty selective with a lot of catch and shoot threes. Than post all star break he was now starting and being asked to be the lead scorer and as he became less selective his percentage plummeted to 29% post all star. It actually had some people on Suns boards questioning if he was even a good shooter or not.

He plays with grown men who are effective shooters. The best you can say about him is that his shot selection is getting worse. He is not like Booker in that he is (and was) the only legit option on his team. That shooting number ought to be a concern for anyone thinking about drafting him.

 

[Ronin]

Jonathan Givony
@DraftExpress

6'10 Bowling Green junior Demajeo Wiggins will be entering the 2018 NBA Draft without an agent, he informed ESPN. "This decision will allow for my talents to be evaluated in order to properly prepare for my athletic future."

 

[SirStefan32]

I think the percentage is dropping because he is taking more difficult shots. Each year as his role has expanded his ability to be selective with his shot has gone down. He creates a pretty decent amount of his own threes with stepbacks and what not and that is going to hurt the percentage.

This somewhat reminds me of Booker’s rookie season pre and post all star break. Prior to the all star break that year Booker shot 40% from 3 and was being pretty selective with a lot of catch and shoot threes. Than post all star break he was now starting and being asked to be the lead scorer and as he became less selective his percentage plummeted to 29% post all star. It actually had some people on Suns boards questioning if he was even a good shooter or not.

While he was never as good of a shooter as advertised, I do think he might be exhausted at this point. I don't follow Euro League as closely as I used to, but I think it goes through the end of May. Then Slovenia competed in Euro Basket (and won) starting on August. ACB starts late September, if my memory is not failing me. Assuming that the national team had a few weeks to practice, I am pretty sure that this kid hasn't had a break in almost two years now, outside of a couple of weeks in between Euro League and the beginning of the training camp for Euro Basket. It would be interesting to see how many games he's played in the past 18-20 months or so.

Fatigue could very well be a factor, but he still needs to improve as a shooter. I've watched some games from last year, most games from Slovenia's title run, and a couple of games from this season, and he has always been a competent shooter, but he never looked like a great shooter to me. That said, his form is solid, his release is on-point, follow-through is good, his FT shooting percentage is good, so I see no reason for him not to improve from behind the line.

 

[SirStefan32]

He plays with grown men who are effective shooters. The best you can say about him is that his shot selection is getting worse. He is not like Booker in that he is (and was) the only legit option on his team. That shooting number ought to be a concern for anyone thinking about drafting him.

His shooting will be fine. I am more concerned about that first step. If I was convinced that his first step was quick enough for the NBA (without a screen), I'd be sold on him as the number one pick. By the end of his second year in the NBA, his shooting will be comparable to Booker's and Bender's two years into their careers.

 

[Cheesebeef]

OK. First. You did not quote me correctly. Look at the post. I said he "shoots the three like a center." I assume the worst position in the nba for three point shooting is center. I am not making up Doncic's three point shooting stats. He has been getting worse every year as his role and number of shots increases.

You can say I am making it up. But the facts are right there to be seen. I marvel at how they are completely ignored. I get it. Some people really like Doncic. But if you are buying the line that seems to be out there that he is a good three point shooter, well just take a look at the stats.

Welcome to the irrational make-up stuff club, JC!

 

[JCSunsfan]

His shooting will be fine. I am more concerned about that first step. If I was convinced that his first step was quick enough for the NBA (without a screen), I'd be sold on him as the number one pick. By the end of his second year in the NBA, his shooting will be comparable to Booker's and Bender's two years into their careers.

OK. I just erased a brilliant sarcastic post in the interest of board atmosphere.

His shooting is going to be just fine. . . based on what?

 

[elindholm]

By the end of his second year in the NBA, his shooting will be comparable to Booker's and Bender's two years into their careers.

You meant "Booker's or Bender's," right? I mean come on. Sure, Bender's three-point percentage is comparable to Booker's as a raw number, but their selection of shots is worlds apart. Would you describe a car's performance as "comparable to a Ferrari's and a Kia's"? Would Bender have had any chance in the Three-Point Shootout?

 

[SirStefan32]

You meant "Booker's or Bender's," right? I mean come on. Sure, Bender's three-point percentage is comparable to Booker's as a raw number, but their selection of shots is worlds apart. Would you describe a car's performance as "comparable to a Ferrari's and a Kia's"? Would Bender have had any chance in the Three-Point Shootout?

Well, I was thinking percentage, but you do make a great point. Bender's fine in spot-up situations, but he can't really shoot off of a dribble. It wasn't until the last few games that I've ever seen him step into a three and make an unassisted three. Luka already creates his own, so their shooting is very different. I was really just talking about pure percentage.