2017-2018 Draft Prospects watch.

[DevonCardsFan]

Go watch 1:39:40, some impressive dribbling but not going anywhere as he can't shake the defender.

Unless this diot guy is the French Bruce Bowen, that's not encouraging.

Yes you can scream examples all day but nobody will listen. LOL Doncic is the Next Jordan on this board, hahahaha Major Worries get poo pooed or just flat out denied

 

[ColdPickleNachos]

Coach k in jan:

"He's the most unique player we've had here at Duke during my 38 years," says Blue Devils coach Mike Krzyzewski. "He has everything. In some respects, Kyrie [Irving] was like that. But Kyrie got hurt after eight games."

"He is not a good runner; he's an amazing runner. And then he's an amazing repeated jumper. In other words, he doesn't really take time to even land, he just pops right back up. He wants to learn, he has no demons, he's a great kid, he's smart, and has an incredible motor. He never has a bad day. He's a treasure, really. He's going to be one of the great players in the NBA during his time."

The athletic stuff he describes is not debateable, watch the video it's obvious.

Thanks for sharing. That's a very compelling quote.

 

[pokerface]

Yes you can scream examples all day but nobody will listen. LOL Doncic is the Next Jordan on this board, hahahaha Major Worries get poo pooed or just flat out denied

Well we better just get the number one pick and get Ayton or there is going to be a civil war on this board.

 

[DevonCardsFan]

Well we better just get the number one pick and get Ayton or there is going to be a civil war in this board.

There is worries for Ayton as wel, but he is at a much more needed and harder to replace position

 

[pokerface]

There is worries for Ayton as wel, but he is at a much more needed and harder to replace position

We already have our bigs. You ready to flush Bender or Chriss for Bagley? Or do you want to try and make them better by adding Doncic?

 

[hsandhu]

We already have our bigs. You ready to flush Bender or Chriss for Bagley? Or do you want to try and make them better by adding Doncic?

You have got to be freaking kidding me, counting on Chriss and bender as our bigs after this year?

Yeah, it's to early to give up on them, but if you're a gm making draft descions based on them... you probably shouldn't be drafting for an nba team.

 

[pokerface]

You have got to be freaking kidding me, counting on Chriss and bender as our bigs after this year?

Yeah, it's to early to give up on them, but if you're a gm making draft descions based on them... you probably shouldn't be drafting for an nba team.

Umm...Doncic is probably bpa after Ayton. He's more proven than these other one and done players. He's been playing pro ball in Europe since he was sixteen.

You aren't ready to give up on Bender and Chriss but if you draft Bagley then you are!

 

[hsandhu]

Umm...Doncic is probably bpa after Ayton. He's more proven than these other one and done players. He's been playing pro ball in Europe since he was sixteen.

That literally has nothing to do with the point i was responding to, you said suns should not draft a forward because of Chris s and bender. Should we not draft a pg because of his as well?

 

[pokerface]

That literally has nothing to do with the point i was responding to, you said suns should not draft a forward because of Chris s and bender. Should we not draft a pg because of his as well?

I never said that. My only point is it's still too early to give up on Bender and Chriss over Bagley....maybe. If Ayton is there then you take him. If you get Doncic you plug him in at pg and he could make the whole team play better.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Umm...Doncic is probably bpa after Ayton. He's more proven than these other one and done players. He's been playing pro ball in Europe since he was sixteen.

You aren't ready to give up on Bender and Chriss but if you draft Bagley then you are!

He may have been playing ball since 16 but this is his only year where’s he’s beenbreally good.

And Bender/Chriss should have ZERO bearing on the draft. Neither have shown jack squat you can depend on.

 

[DevonCardsFan]

I never said that. My only point is it's still too early to give up on Bender and Chriss over Bagley....maybe. If Ayton is there then you take him. If you get Doncic you plug him in at pg and he could make the whole team play better.

CHRISS and Bender are Trash! I would package both and 14 and 15 and try to move up. Done with Euros too. Get Bagley and Young!

 

[Mainstreet]

The NCAA Championship game tonight will provide another chance to see Mikal Bridges and Jalen Brunson.

Who knows, Jay Wright might be a candidate for the Suns Head Coaching job.

 

[Mainstreet]

Moritz Wagner looks like an interesting candidate at PF/C. He has size and shooting skills.

 

[Hoop Head]

I never said that. My only point is it's still too early to give up on Bender and Chriss over Bagley....maybe. If Ayton is there then you take him. If you get Doncic you plug him in at pg and he could make the whole team play better.

Drafting Bagley is not giving up on either of them. They can compete for playing time with him. Part of the issue with Chriss and Bender is they've been gifted their positions with the Suns so far and neither of them has truly earned a starting job in the NBA. They can still see time as backups but neither has earned more than 20 minutes a game to develop them. Bagley is better than both of them right now but they could be solid backups or Bender could move to Center. There's the possibility that Bagley could play Center also. Do you really think Bender and Chriss are good enough to keep the Suns from selecting the best player available?

Power Forward is a weakness for the Suns that needs to be addressed in either the draft or free agency. If the Suns could add a quality starting PF like Bagley in the draft and he's the best player on the board then they should take him. Nothing says he'd be the BPA after Ayton but nothing says that Doncic is either. We'll need to wait until teams start working the players out to get an idea of where the Suns are leaning if they can't get Ayton. It sounds like you've made up your mind that BPA after Ayton is Doncic when we really don't know that yet. Others are open to the idea of taking him if he is the BPA but you need to be open to the idea that he may not be.

 

[ColdPickleNachos]

Here's a good read from David Aldridge on this year's guard prospects. It has lots of quotes from scouts and even mentions Doncic's fit with the Suns.

http://www.nba.com/da-big-board-guards-2018-draft

 

[Mainstreet]

Someone forgot to tell sophomore SG Donte DiVincenzo of Villanova, he is not draft material.

 

[Mainstreet]

Barkley says Donte DiVincenzo will be playing on Sundays.

Some team is going to draft him.

 

[pokerface]

CHRISS and Bender are Trash! I would package both and 14 and 15 and try to move up. Done with Euros too. Get Bagley and Young!

What about all this talk from ppl that Chriss and Bender are so young and "bigs" take longer to develop...was that all bs??

 

[pokerface]

Here's a good read from David Aldridge on this year's guard prospects. It has lots of quotes from scouts and even mentions Doncic's fit with the Suns.

http://www.nba.com/da-big-board-guards-2018-draft

That article confirms everything I said (even the Steve Nash comparison) and goes against most the naysayers on this board.

 

[pokerface]

Drafting Bagley is not giving up on either of them. They can compete for playing time with him. Part of the issue with Chriss and Bender is they've been gifted their positions with the Suns so far and neither of them has truly earned a starting job in the NBA. They can still see time as backups but neither has earned more than 20 minutes a game to develop them. Bagley is better than both of them right now but they could be solid backups or Bender could move to Center. There's the possibility that Bagley could play Center also. Do you really think Bender and Chriss are good enough to keep the Suns from selecting the best player available?

Power Forward is a weakness for the Suns that needs to be addressed in either the draft or free agency. If the Suns could add a quality starting PF like Bagley in the draft and he's the best player on the board then they should take him. Nothing says he'd be the BPA after Ayton but nothing says that Doncic is either. We'll need to wait until teams start working the players out to get an idea of where the Suns are leaning if they can't get Ayton. It sounds like you've made up your mind that BPA after Ayton is Doncic when we really don't know that yet. Others are open to the idea of taking him if he is the BPA but you need to be open to the idea that he may not be.

The best player available after Ayton is Doncic....not Bagley. Yeah work them out but Doncics credentials makes him more bpa IMO. He's had more years producing in tougher competitions. Ayton is unicorn and I'll give him a pass that I wouldn't give Bagley as far as overall experience

So I hear no mention about Chandler. Does he get benched for the season to make room for the logjam in the frontcourt?

Maybe part of the problem with Chriss and Bender is crappy coaches and crappy point guards that don't get them the ball in good places.

 

[Mainstreet]

I came into the Michigan-Villanova game concentrating on Bridges and Brunson.

Leave the game thinking about DiVincenzo, a player I did not have on my radar. He has PG skills in addition to nice athletic skills.

Wagner is not a bad second round candidate.

 

[Russ Smith]

I came into the Michigan-Villanova game concentrating on Bridges and Brunson.

Leave the game thinking about DiVincenzo, a player I did not have on my radar. He has PG skills in addition to nice athletic skills.

Wagner is not a bad second round candidate.

Yeah Divincenzo and Bridges are probably the best NBA prospects in the game tonight but man is Nova loaded. Brunson deservedly POY, Spellman is a real talented kid, and Paschall is good too. They have 5 or 6 kids on this team that might wind up with several year NBA careers.

 

[Mainstreet]

Yeah Divincenzo and Bridges are probably the best NBA prospects in the game tonight but man is Nova loaded. Brunson deservedly POY, Spellman is a real talented kid, and Paschall is good too. They have 5 or 6 kids on this team that might wind up with several year NBA careers.

No doubt Villanova is loaded. Couldn't help but notice the poise of Divincenzo. The mocks I viewed didn't have him listed. I think that will change. Also I didn't realize he could play PG.

Now I'm wishing the Suns didn't trade that second round pick for Payton. LOL

IMO, there are some nice players in this draft traveling below the radar.

 

[Cheesebeef]

That Nova club was freaking loaded.

 

[pokerface]

http://arizonasports.com/story/1393381/luka-doncic-phoenix-suns-nba-draft-2018/

Another Doncic article.


Just going to say something and try to let it go. There really is no bad pick in this talented draft. Ayton is a unicorn and freak that would be hard to deny as #1... Bagley would surely fit right in with the suns and give us what we need and crave...a stat stuffing big man. He is what we wanted out of Chriss. Its almost insane passing on Bagley considering what this team needs.

But then there is Doncic...the luxury exotic pick that is hard to classify. Is he a point guard?...yes and no. He has great passing abilities and court vision but works better not being the sole/primary ball handler. Is he athletic? Not particulary...but athletic enough to be a stat stuffer across the board. He knows how to play and where to position himself. I think though why it's hard for me to pass on Doncic are numerous reasons...Flat out I'm going to say I think his game would be transformational on the suns...on himself and on the team. I think the team would run smoother and with more direction. I think Luka would be the glue like Steve Nash was. Doncic is a smart skilled player with some Kobe clutchness and a strong desire to win. Can we say that about Ayton or Bagley? Doncic has already played at the highest levels in Europe and is already a veteran at his young age. He's battled tested and has produced. He already has some polish to his game...far from being a project. I also think by having Doncic, Booker, and Jackson our free agent problems with be a thing of the past. I think we could attract a big that would want to play with that group.

Just a gut feeling and it may sound crazy but I think Doncic someday will trancend the game. I'm actually afraid for the suns to pass on him...it would be a big big mistake IMO.