2017-2018 Draft Prospects watch.

[JCSunsfan]

Wha? I’m lost why a) I’m hilarious and b) you think I compared Ayton to a dead guy?

Explain. Super confused here.

How can we even compare to Daugherty? He hardly had any healthy time in the league at all. And Vlade was a highly skilled big man, but not highly athletic. The chain smoking did not help.

Its ok. Its all judgment calls anyway. Its just amazing how much opinions can differ.

 

[Cheesebeef]

How can we even compare to Daugherty? He hardly had any healthy time in the league at all. And Vlade was a highly skilled big man, but not highly athletic. The chain smoking did not help.

Its ok. Its all judgment calls anyway. Its just amazing how much opinions can differ.

Daughter was really good for a couple years with the Cavs before his injuries, especially offensively. But he was tissue paper soft on D.

and Vlade was probably a bad comparison... that was more of an impact level. I think at worst Ayton will have as much positive impact as Vlade has. But I also wonder if you're thinking more Sacto Vlade versus Lakers/Hornets Vlade who was deceptively quick and a solid athlete. But yes, probably not the best comparison.

 

[Cheesebeef]

You are pleading for civility? That's rich.
http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/forum/posts/3043933/
http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/forum/posts/3667347/

I could go on, but for the sake of civility, I won't.

You literally said that Ayton could be David Robinson in the post I quoted. Sure, Doncic could be a Magic Johnson. Those "Could be" arguments are meaningless. Doncic COULD be the next Magic Johnson, Young COULD be the next Steph Curry, etc. It's meaningless.

Also...
http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/forum/posts/3680516/
http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/forum/posts/3652516/

Good lord. In all those I'm saying he could be David Robinson while REPEATEDLY SAYING HE MIGHT NOT BE BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF DOG IN HIM. But he's got the athletic ability and has shown the offensive ability to reach that level if he gets the right coaching and finds a way to motivate higher.

Nowhere did I say he IS DAVID ROBINSON. IF I DID, THAT WOULD MEAN I WOULD HAVE ZERO QUESTIONS ABOUT HIM WHATSOEVER, WHEN REALITY IS I REPEATEDLY QUESTION IF HE HAS THE DOG IN HIM TO BECOME DAVID ROBINSON.

There's a world of difference but it's just easier for you to distort the argument and bring it to absolutes... as usual.

As for your "could be" argument is meaningless totally disagree. You say Doncic "could be" the next Magic and I TOTALLY disagree because he doesn't have Magic's size and speed which made him a terror both in the open court, rebounding the ball and immediately starting a break and the half-court where he could post anyone, small or big... which are two of the things that made him such an other-wordly talent. And most important... he's simply not the passer Magic was. Now, that's not a knock... I think Doncic is a VERY GOOD passer, but the ONLY player I've ever seen come close to Magic as a passer is LeBron. Those guys not only had eyes in the back of their head, but they also had/have the power in their passing to be able to slice through defenses with laser-beam-like passes through the tiniest of crevices. And those three things make it impossible for him to ever be the next Magic, IMO.

 

[pokerface]

If we don't get the #1 pick this board will have to endure another round of endless debates. I think #2 and #4 picks will spark a lot of debates. #3 pick not as much because that it will probably be whomever is left...Either Bagley or Doncic.

 

[AzStevenCal]

How can we even compare to Daugherty? He hardly had any healthy time in the league at all. And Vlade was a highly skilled big man, but not highly athletic. The chain smoking did not help.

Its ok. Its all judgment calls anyway. Its just amazing how much opinions can differ.

I smoked a cigarette with him in 93 (roughly). My wife and I and another couple from Czechoslovakia went to Disneyland. I was the only smoker of the group and sat down on the sidewalk to smoke away from them and the crowd. Vlade sat down on the sidewalk next to me and lit one up. Nasty smelling, I was surprised he hadn't switched his habit to American cigarettes. We talked a little but as he was a Laker, we kept it mostly to the great weather and the best rides.

There's obvious differences but I can actually see the Daugherty comparison. Brad was a very good pre-injury big man.

 

[DevonCardsFan]

Ok... here’s what I think Ayton’s floor is:

A slightly more athletic Brad Daughtery (pre knee injuries) or Vlade Divac, but not as good a passer.

Ayton game reminds me of Sam Perkins

Doncic reminds me of Walt Willams as a point Forward

 

[Cheesebeef]

Ayton game reminds me of Sam Perkins

Doncic reminds me of Walt Wilkiams as a point Forward

I was thinking about Perkins, but most of memory of Sam was old Sam playing for the Lakers/Sonics.

After watching some Tar Heel/Mavs highlights, that seems like a pretty good floor comparison.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Ayton game reminds me of Sam Perkins

Doncic reminds me of Walt Wilkiams as a point Forward

Interesting. I'd have to say, that comparison increases my interest in Ayton. Sam Perkins was made for today's NBA.

 

[DevonCardsFan]

I was thinking about Perkins, but most of memory of Sam was old Sam playing for the Lakers/Sonics.

After watching some Tar Heel/Mavs highlights, that seems like a pretty good floor comparison.

Yeah games are very similar watching young Perkins and I think that's as close you can get

 

[ColdPickleNachos]

I smoked a cigarette with him in 93 (roughly). My wife and I and another couple from Czechoslovakia went to Disneyland. I was the only smoker of the group and sat down on the sidewalk to smoke away from them and the crowd. Vlade sat down on the sidewalk next to me and lit one up. Nasty smelling, I was surprised he hadn't switched his habit to American cigarettes. We talked a little but as he was a Laker, we kept it mostly to the great weather and the best rides.

I don't smoke, but if I did, I would want to smoke with Vlade. That is awesome.

 

[DevonCardsFan]

I was thinking about Perkins, but most of memory of Sam was old Sam playing for the Lakers/Sonics.

After watching some Tar Heel/Mavs highlights, that seems like a pretty good floor comparison.

xc_hide_links_from_guests_guests_error_hide_media

watch this and compare this to all of Doncic tape, they have a very similar game as well

After the 5 mark you get to see his dimes

 

[Lefty]

Ayton comparison to David Robinson
http://www.nbadraft.net/players/deandre-ayton

 

[Lefty]

Doncic comparison to Kukoc and Turkoglu
http://www.nbadraft.net/players/luka-doncic

 

[Cheesebeef]

Doncic comparison to Kukoc and Turkoglu
http://www.nbadraft.net/players/luka-doncic

He’s not as tall as Kukoc, nor is he the athlete, but I can see his ceiling being a better Turk.

 

[BC867]

And I would counter that by saying that the opposite is true. People are hating on Doncic because he is white. If he was the same player but looked like TJ Warren, most of his critics would be singing his praises.

My reason for not wanting Doncic is that he is a good passer for a Wing. But we need a Center (even if he not the second coming of a superstar).

This is not about upgrading at Center. We need a starting Center. And we need a real Point Guard. Look at the tweeners we've gone through.

All along, McDonough has defined (as have many of us) our two greatest needs to be Center and Point Guard.

 

[JCSunsfan]

BC to be fair with the Doncic supporters, they think he is a real pg. I think maybe he could play the position too. His speed will be a problem. If Simmons can I suppose he can. But Simmons is faster I think. But the shooting. We need a shooting pg.

 

[JCSunsfan]

xc_hide_links_from_guests_guests_error_hide_media

watch this and compare this to all of Doncic tape, they have a very similar game as well

After the 5 mark you get to see his dimes

Fair comparison. Loved Walt Williams. Would not take him 1 or 2 in this draft.

 

[pokerface]

BC to be fair with the Doncic supporters, they think he is a real pg. I think maybe he could play the position too. His speed will be a problem. If Simmons can I suppose he can. But Simmons is faster I think. But the shooting. We need a shooting pg.

At #3.... Bagley or Young?

 

[Cheesebeef]

BC to be fair with the Doncic supporters, they think he is a real pg. I think maybe he could play the position too. His speed will be a problem. If Simmons can I suppose he can. But Simmons is faster I think. But the shooting. We need a shooting pg.

Simmons is faster and bigger.

That said about Simmons... dude HAS to learn how to shoot. Right now he’s like 6’10 Ason Kidd.

 

[DevonCardsFan]

Fair comparison. Loved Walt Williams. Would not take him 1 or 2 in this draft.

I was a big Williams fan too, Doncic is less explosive and a little better passer. But yes that's why he's not a 2nd pick, he will be be good, but not put the Suns on another level good

 

[DevonCardsFan]

Doncic comparison to Kukoc and Turkoglu
http://www.nbadraft.net/players/luka-doncic

Thats just someone not being smart making those up because they are both Euros, he is a point forward Kukoc was almost 7 feet and Turkoglo was a shooter horrible comparison. Doncic is point forward Walt Williams is closest. They do this is the NFL too, they can't pick a player of a different skin tone when comparing lol

 

[DevonCardsFan]

At #3.... Bagley or Young?

It would be super fun to pair young and Booker and have the Suns version of the Splash Bros, but a big man is so hard to add, I would have to go size and Bagley if the Suns had them rated as equally talented in the board

 

[GatorAZ]

Simmons is faster and bigger.

That said about Simmons... dude HAS to learn how to shoot. Right now he’s like 6’10 Ason Kidd.

Unique talent but that will always put a cap on his ceiling. There are terrible shooters like Lonzo but at least he takes open shots. Same with young-Ason.

 

[Chaplin]

At #3.... Bagley or Young?

I like Bagley at #2, so definitely Bagley.

 

[Hoop Head]

Thats just someone not being smart making those up because they are both Euros, he is a point forward Kukoc was almost 7 feet and Turkoglo was a shooter horrible comparison. Doncic is point forward Walt Williams is closest. They do this is the NFL too, they can't pick a player of a different skin tone when comparing lol

Hedo was a point forward in Orlando. He wasn't anywhere else that he played though. He was a good point forward in Orlando also, good enough to get a big contract from the Raptors that he never lived up to. They traded him here and we ended up sending him back to Orlando. It's not that the Suns or Raptors didn't try to use him the same as Orlando but that system Van Gundy ran down there worked perfectly for him. I can see the comparison but you'd have to be looking at one stretch of Hedo's career, not the entirety. Two stretches, actually, because he played like he never left for the Magic even though he was gone for 2 seasons.

Some players are only efficient in certain situations though. It's not common but it does happen. Like Lance Stephenson, he was a good wing for the Pacers for a few years but then he decided to chase the money and signed with to Charlotte. He wasn't able to produce there and bounced around the league for a couple of seasons with stops in LA for the Clippers, Memphis, Minnesota, and New Orleans. He was cut twice last year because he wasn't any good. He resigned with the Pacers towards the end of the year and he started playing like the Lance Stephenson of old. It wasn't a short-term thing either, he played well for them all season this year. For some reason he only plays to his potential as a Pacer.