2018-19 Season | Point Guard Discussion

[JCSunsfan]

I would definitely consider trading Jackson. Its not that I am giving up on Jackson, I am just committing to Bridges instead. We need to go all in on Bridges. If Jackson can get us a player we need, its time to move him.

 

[1tinsoldier]

i agree that Warren is more valuable than an average pg for a short-term fix

i agree that Jackson has to be expendable now. but we'd be selling low

 

[SirStefan32]

i'm excited about TJ Warren showing new skills and lighting things up
-- just what we need from him
but we need a pg even more!

would you consider trading Warren for a pg now that his stock is high?

Eh, the Suns need a power forward badly right now, and the future at SF is not as bright as we previously thought with Jackson looking like crap, and Ariza being a one-year rental who is not playing any better than Dudley. It would have to be a damn good point guard for me to trade a three-point shooting Warren.

 

[JCSunsfan]

i agree that Warren is more valuable than an average pg for a short-term fix

i agree that Jackson has to be expendable now. but we'd be selling low

I don't think his value is going to increase any.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Eh, the Suns need a power forward badly right now, and the future at SF is not as bright as we previously thought with Jackson looking like crap, and Ariza being a one-year rental who is not playing any better than Dudley. It would have to be a damn good point guard for me to trade a three-point shooting Warren.

I think our future at sf looks good with Warren and Bridges. PF is an issue. Truly, I do not see why we should be playing Ryan over Bender right now. Bender has looked horrible, but Anderson has been "horribler." At least Bender plays a little D.

 

[SirStefan32]

I think our future at sf looks good with Warren and Bridges. PF is an issue. Truly, I do not see why we should be playing Ryan over Bender right now. Bender has looked horrible, but Anderson has been "horribler." At least Bender plays a little D.

I am 99% sure than Bender is gone. His option is not getting picked up.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I am 99% sure than Bender is gone. His option is not getting picked up.

I think that is probably true. But it might be a mistake.

Back to the talk about pg's, I bet Philly would gladly do a Jackson/Fultz swap--not that I would. Fultz looks like a total flop.

 

[1tinsoldier]

I bet Philly would gladly do a Jackson/Fultz swap--not that I would. Fultz looks like a total flop.

interesting.
#4 last year may not be working out, but we might not take #1 for him
#2 is not working out too well either, and packaged with his father, is also an undesirable to me

 

[SactownSunsFan]

It may be best to eat it this year and either draft one or acquire one in FA. There aren't many assets on the team we should be willing to give up. Warren has improved his defense and ability to hit 3's. If he keeps that up he's a borderline all-star caliber player and a yearly 6th man candidate. Josh Jackson still has a lot of upside, as does Bridges. The way the game is going, you can't have enough lengthy wing players on the team. Bender has zero trade value, so best to just sit on him in hopes maybe something clicks in his brain. Maybe we can swing Ariza before the trade deadline?

Even if so, how many decently young PG's will be out there on the trading block that are worth trading for?

 

[BC867]

PF is an issue. Truly, I do not see why we should be playing Ryan over Bender right now. Bender has looked horrible, but Anderson has been "horribler." At least Bender plays a little D.

Reading this is downright depressing! Which of our two pathetic Power Forwards are we going to go with?

We're the Phoenix Suns. Eight years out of the playoffs and our choice is still the lesser of two incompetents.

And now, another inexperienced puppet General Manager. It is so sad it is almost funny. When consistency means piss-poor leadership, consistence isn't so good.

 

[Phrazbit]

I don't think his value is going to increase any.

Who, Warren's or Jackson's?

If Warren's early season shooting display holds up, then his value has probably doubled. And if Jackson's doesn't increase then... yikes. I think it will. He plays out of control, the season is young, I hope as it goes on the coaching staff gets to him.

 

[sunsfan88]

I think that is probably true. But it might be a mistake.

Back to the talk about pg's, I bet Philly would gladly do a Jackson/Fultz swap--not that I would. Fultz looks like a total flop.

At this point, I'd be more interested in McConnell.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

At this point, I'd be more interested in McConnell.

For JJ?!?

 

[95pro]

I think that is probably true. But it might be a mistake.

Back to the talk about pg's, I bet Philly would gladly do a Jackson/Fultz swap--not that I would. Fultz looks like a total flop.

A little off topic but didn't they said BrianC overrode everyone and picked Fultz #1, the entire org wanted Tatum of JJ.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Who, Warren's or Jackson's?

If Warren's early season shooting display holds up, then his value has probably doubled. And if Jackson's doesn't increase then... yikes. I think it will. He plays out of control, the season is young, I hope as it goes on the coaching staff gets to him.

Jackson’s. He is still riding the value of where he was picked. His problem is that we have so many small forwards that his development here will be stunted.

 

[JCSunsfan]

At this point, I'd be more interested in McConnell.

Me too.

 

[Dan H]

"What this team needs is a Charles Barkley."

All in for Zion?

 

[JCSunsfan]

We cannot afford to waste another year of Booker's or Warren's career.

 

[Cheesebeef]

We cannot afford to waste another year of Booker's or Warren's career.

this is such short-term thinking. We're building... Booker is only 21... and is signed for another 5 YEARS! Slow and steady wins the race. People just have to be patient. Making rash trades for band-aids will only weaken us in the future.

 

[1Sun]

We cannot afford to waste another year of Booker's or Warren's career.

The year won't be wasted if they are developed properly...which of course requires a competent NBA point guard...

 

[AzStevenCal]

We cannot afford to waste another year of Booker's or Warren's career.

I'm afraid that if we don't put roster improvement (adds, deletes, drafting, player development) over winning we could end up wasting the rest of their careers with the Suns.

Booker is a big hit but is still very young with a lot to learn, Warren is a small hit and is nearing his prime, and Ayton is clearly a hit but still an NBA infant. Jackson is a HUGE question mark, Bridges is a small one. Ariza is sliding downhill fast. Canaan is a slightly below average backup point guard. Chandler might as well be playing wheelchair basketball with all the lift he gets. Okobo and Melton might not even make the rotation on a G League team (on merit anyway). Ryan Anderson is just waiting for a doctor to call time of death and Jamal Crawford was pronounced dead a couple of years ago. Bender the Friendly Ghost is still invisible. And we have no idea what George King is or will eventually become. Plus, there's the questionable front office, first time NBA Head Coach and playing in an improved Western Conference.

 

[Krangodnzr]

I'm afraid that if we don't put roster improvement (adds, deletes, drafting, player development) over winning we could end up wasting the rest of their careers with the Suns.

Booker is a big hit but still has a lot to learn, Warren is a small hit and is nearing his prime, and Ayton is clearly a hit but still an NBA infant. Jackson is a HUGE question mark, Bridges is a small one. Ariza is sliding downhill fast. Canaan is a slightly below average backup point guard. Chandler might as well be playing wheelchair basketball with all the lift he gets. Okobo and Melton might not even make the rotation on a G League team (on merit anyway). Ryan Anderson is just waiting for a doctor to call time of death and Jamal Crawford was pronounced dead a couple of years ago. Bender the Friendly Ghost is still invisible. And we have no idea what George King is or will eventually become. Plus, there's the questionable front office, first time NBA Head Coach and playing in an improved Western Conference.

I'm in the wait it out camp. There WILL be opportunities to strike for a PG soon, and blowing away draft capital for placeholders is going to destroy this team.

Just wait! I want Tyus Jones, and I think that will be a guy available soon, since the TWolves are married to Teague for a few more years and Jones is playing third fiddle behind Teague and Rose.

One thing to consider is that even if the Suns had a good PG, they would still lose a lot of the 50/50 games because the Suns don't a lot of good roleplayers right now. Let Bender, Arizas, Chandlers, and Anderson's contracts clear and this team is going to not only have room for a max contract, but also have room for a real good role player or two.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I'm in the wait it out camp. There WILL be opportunities to strike for a PG soon, and blowing away draft capital for placeholders is going to destroy this team.

Just wait! I want Tyus Jones, and I think that will be a guy available soon, since the TWolves are married to Teague for a few more years and Jones is playing third fiddle behind Teague and Rose.

One thing to consider is that even if the Suns had a good PG, they would still lose a lot of the 50/50 games because the Suns don't a lot of good roleplayers right now. Let Bender, Arizas, Chandlers, and Anderson's contracts clear and this team is going to not only have room for a max contract, but also have room for a real good role player or two.

I was a little wordy but hopefully I was clear enough in my post that you realize we are saying the same thing? I absolutely don't want to see a desperation overpay/trade for a middling player. I'm more than willing to spend big to get a real upgrade as long as it's an upgrade for the future, not just this season. But whatever we do, we need to churn this roster over the next couple of seasons. Develop the young guys, keep an eye on the draft and

 

[1Sun]

We need veterans who can actually contribute in their roles, not just guys collecting a paycheck and mailing it in along the lines of Ariza, Anderson and Chandler (and now possibly Crawford as well).

 

[JCSunsfan]

I am not in favor of place holders either. I am just not in favor of "going all in for Zion" either. Being bad and waiting for another draft is not the answer. It is time to start building a winning atmosphere.