2018-19 Season | Point Guard Discussion

[Mainstreet]

We do have a 2 way, also, so I am thinking Melton or Okobo for that. Even after Crawford signs, I think that just buys us time for a trade of minor note later.

I think Crawford is more of an addition to the roster. IMO, the Suns will still want to add a veteran point guard. As I mentioned in my previous post, the Suns have some players I would not be afraid to lose.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Vet min for Crowder gives them options for negotiating. Maybe it takes the "desperate" out of the trade negotiations. Crowder isn't the answer at pg, but its a low risk option.

 

[slinslin]

Sadly, this is likely our best hope for remaining competitive and avoiding a complete collapse of team morale like we saw in preseason. The problem is that it significantly stunts Booker's development at his natural position of shooting guard, and he will be worn out come December or January, just like last year.

Absolute non-sense, Booker hit his stride toward end of December/January.

 

[Phrazbit]

The 2 1/2 point guard system was destined to fail. You can't run it when you only have 1/2 of a point guard.

Sadly, this is likely our best hope for remaining competitive and avoiding a complete collapse of team morale like we saw in preseason. The problem is that it significantly stunts Booker's development at his natural position of shooting guard, and he will be worn out come December or January, just like last year.

McDonough really screwed us on the point guard front.

Not that it matters, because you've shown yourself to be immune to factual discussion, but Booker was tearing it up in Feb and March right up until his final game.

Furthermore, if Booker is a max contract player and the potential superstar we hope he is then his role SHOULD be to be the primary ball handler and attacking point of the offense.

 

[devilalum]

Tyler Ulis just became available.

Seriously, other teams have succeeded without a true PG. The offense should all come out of the Booker/Ayton PNR anyway.


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[1Sun]

Not that it matters, because you've shown yourself to be immune to factual discussion, but Booker was tearing it up in Feb and March right up until his final game.

Furthermore, if Booker is a max contract player and the potential superstar we hope he is then his role SHOULD be to be the primary ball handler and attacking point of the offense.

Take a look at his shooting efficiency and turnover numbers, as well as his defense, last year, and get back to me on that.

 

[Hoop Head]

Tyler Ulis just became available.

Seriously, other teams have succeeded without a true PG. The offense should all come out of the Booker/Ayton PNR anyway.


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He was claimed off of waivers by Chicago and is now on a Two-Way contract. Chicago has a good number of PG's now and the addition of Ulis will only bolster their PG rotation.

Had I known a team could claim Ulis off of waivers and convert the contract to a two way deal then I would have been in favor of the Suns doing the same.

Probably for the best we didn't decide to go down that road again. That would have upset Booker for no reason when we previously waived him. No need to repeat that in the future when we're able to address the position better.

Ulis would have been a solid signing for a Two-Way contract. The contract he signed in Golden State met the criteria to convert it, which is what Chicago did. Had the Suns had that option then he might have been kept.

Booker being upset about waiving him though might have played a role in that not happening here. Why bother doing that again next offseason.

 

[TJ]

Well, they did call Philly for McConnell...

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[Chaplin]

Seems to me that McD was simply too stupid to realize a single second round pick wasn’t going to work in any deal. First, teams know we are desperate and second, even I think McConnell is with more than a second.

 

[GatorAZ]

Seems to me that McD was simply too stupid to realize a single second round pick wasn’t going to work in any deal. First, teams know we are desperate and second, even I think McConnell is with more than a second.

Ehh I love TJ and he’s surpassed everyone’s expectations but I’m glad they stopped there. I think a 2nd rd pick is fair value for a role player with no years of control beyond this year. I would’ve traded Melton or Bender for him though.

 

[Chaplin]

Ehh I love TJ and he’s surpassed everyone’s expectations but I’m glad they stopped there. I think a 2nd rd pick is fair value for a role player with no years of control beyond this year. I would’ve traded Melton or Bender for him though.

I would have too, but the Sixers wouldn’t. That’s the point.

 

[JCSunsfan]

So we shopped all over for a point guard, but we were only willing to give up a second round pick. Any proven player is worth the Milwaukee pick.

 

[Yuma]

Pretty much basic negotiation when it comes to leverage. We want something other people have and they know it. Will they take what's a fair offer or ask for more

So we shopped all over for a point guard, but we were only willing to give up a second round pick. Any proven player is worth the Milwaukee pick.

I think that's the problem right there. Teams are not valuing that pick. The Miami pick yes. Eventually we get our guy. We have so many moving parts right now on this team, offensive and defensive new schemes, new coaches, still more new players, and rookies, this season should be renamed Growing Pains. That's mostly what the start of this year will be!

 

[Chaplin]

So we shopped all over for a point guard, but we were only willing to give up a second round pick. Any proven player is worth the Milwaukee pick.

And McD gets fired. Kinda telling. Front office being run by a complete imbecile.

Makes sense. Sarver actually is letting McD do his thing. We NEED a PG and Sarver finds out we are only offering a 2nd for anyone. I’d be ticked too.

 

[Chaplin]

Pretty much basic negotiation when it comes to leverage. We want something other people have and they know it. Will they take what's a fair offer or ask for more

I think that's the problem right there. Teams are not valuing that pick. The Miami pick yes. Eventually we get our guy. We have so many moving parts right now on this team, offensive and defensive new schemes, new coaches, still more new players, and rookies, this season should be renamed Growing Pains. That's mostly what the start of this year will be!

Well, they are certainly not valuing 2nd rounders either! In what universe is a 2nd rounder considered more valuable than the MIL pick? McD just didn’t get it.

 

[Yuma]

And McD gets fired. Kinda telling. Front office being run by a complete imbecile.

Makes sense. Sarver actually is letting McD do his thing. We NEED a PG and Sarver finds out we are only offering a 2nd for anyone. I’d be ticked too.

I keep thinking how this happened after owner meetings. What if you are having drinks with other owners and they are like, hey you offered a second for our player X, and we countered for the Milwaukee pick and you turned us down. What's up? If I was Sarver and that did happen once or twice, I would come home and be like, "Why didn't we get this guy?"

 

[TJ]

Was thinking about this: had McD had any foresight or ability to be even a substandard GM, he would’ve found a way to get McConnell when he traded for Bridges. That unprotected Miami first, Z. Smith, and 2 seconds may have done the trick.

 

[SirStefan32]

I keep thinking how this happened after owner meetings. What if you are having drinks with other owners and they are like, hey you offered a second for our player X, and we countered for the Milwaukee pick and you turned us down. What's up? If I was Sarver and that did happen once or twice, I would come home and be like, "Why didn't we get this guy?"

I am guessing that Sarver (or any owner) is told about things like that by their GM.

 

[Yuma]

I am guessing that Sarver (or any owner) is told about things like that by their GM.

Yeah, you hope. But if for some reason, like letting McD do his thing and not interfering, and you find out later you could have had a decent PG. I'd be pissed, too. Just something doesn't ring true that suddenly one day Sarver decides to take stock of his franchise and conclude, I'm going to fire the GM today! Usually sports beat guys hear rumors. All of a sudden out of the blue it's like, McD is gone. Time to start winning!

 

[1Sun]

I am guessing that Sarver (or any owner) is told about things like that by their GM.

Or not. Communication wasn't exactly McDonough's strength...

 

[Cheesebeef]

So we shopped all over for a point guard, but we were only willing to give up a second round pick. Any proven player is worth the Milwaukee pick.

And McD gets fired. Kinda telling. Front office being run by a complete imbecile.

Makes sense. Sarver actually is letting McD do his thing. We NEED a PG and Sarver finds out we are only offering a 2nd for anyone. I’d be ticked too.

ah... now, we're believing the media! Great, good to know!

Or... wait... do we only believe the media now when they say bad things about McD and not Sarver?

 

[Yuma]

ah... now, we're believing the media! Great, good to know!

Or... wait... do we only believe the media now when they say bad things about McD and not Sarver?

Oh geez. Not stirring THIS pot again!

 

[Cheesebeef]

Oh geez. Not stirring THIS pot again!

i'm just trying to figure out the rules here... looks like any news that comes out and makes Sarver look good is good and any news that makes him look bad is bad. Is that right?

 

[Chaplin]

ah... now, we're believing the media! Great, good to know!

Or... wait... do we only believe the media now when they say bad things about McD and not Sarver?

Geez it’s just speculation. Why don’t you take a break from bashing fellow fans.

 

[JCSunsfan]

i'm just trying to figure out the rules here... looks like any news that comes out and makes Sarver look good is good and any news that makes him look bad is bad. Is that right?

I have no problem criticizing Sarver. I am also trying to come to terms with the failures with the issues with McD. So. Good enough rules for you?