2018-19 Season | Point Guard Discussion

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

And yet some here see Zion Williamson as a clear improvement over TJ after playing three college games.

There are just some players that seem to be forced of nature. He’s one.

 

[Hoop Head]

I can't wait to see 3rd year Ayton and Bridges!

I can't wait either but if Jackson is any indication I hope they don't struggle to start their sophomore seasons because everyone will give up on then.

I think Bridges will improve quicker than the others but that's only because he's a bit older. He'll be a valuable role player within the next year or so, if he's not already.

 

[taz02]

No. The timeline reset a couple years ago.

Must have missed it.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Must have missed it.

After Nash we kept trying to win without going through a full rebuild but the Dragic fiasco amongst other problems led to the decision to start over by tanking.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Must have missed it.

McD claimed the rebuild started the moment that LaMarcus said no.

 

[Krangodnzr]

And yet some here see Zion Williamson as a clear improvement over TJ after playing three college games.

I think most people who follow basketball would, except maybe Suns homers.

 

[BC867]

TJ Warren = Ced Ceballos.

Liquid scoring.

So. Why isn't TJ meeting our need at pf?

Because he a Wing, not a Power Forward, even though the Suns are desperate for a Power Forward. A scorer to get some attention away from Booker.

Unless and until someone else becomes the second leading scorer on the team (not including Ayton), Booker needs Warren on the court with him.

Even more when Book is playing Point Guard and TJ is the only dependable scorer.[/QUOTE]

 

[overseascardfan]

How important is a PG in the NBA? SAC and us were in the same boat last offseason and now they are one of the up and coming teams in the west. Granted not all of SAC's success is based off of Fox's strong year so far (5 other players on the team are averaging in double figures in points) but he is the cog that makes that team run IMO. Hindsight being 20/20 maybe he was the pick PHO should have made last year as they would probably still have Bridges.

 

[sdscard4]

Bledsoe and Dragic wouldn't it be nice to have just one of them? I can't believe we payed millions to hire people to come in and destroy our team

 

[Cheesebeef]

How important is a PG in the NBA? SAC and us were in the same boat last offseason and now they are one of the up and coming teams in the west. Granted not all of SAC's success is based off of Fox's strong year so far (5 other players on the team are averaging in double figures in points) but he is the cog that makes that team run IMO. Hindsight being 20/20 maybe he was the pick PHO should have made last year as they would probably still have Bridges.

it's total hindsight, but yeah... a nucleus built around a young, athletic foursome like Fox, Booker, Bridges and Ayton. You'd have two very good defenders at PG/SF, shooting with Booker/Bridges a floor leader and a big man with all the talent in the world who's just gonna get better.

Man... missing out on the 2016 draft sucked, especially because we had two lotto picks. But that draft wasn't a bonanza. If Josh Jackson doesn't pan out, missing out on the talent in the 2017 draft is going to haunt this team for a really long time.

 

[1Sun]

it's total hindsight, but yeah... a nucleus built around a young, athletic foursome like Fox, Booker, Bridges and Ayton. You'd have two very good defenders at PG/SF, shooting with Booker/Bridges a floor leader and a big man with all the talent in the world who's just gonna get better.

Man... missing out on the 2016 draft sucked, especially because we had two lotto picks. But that draft wasn't a bonanza. If Josh Jackson doesn't pan out, missing out on the talent in the 2017 draft is going to haunt this team for a really long time.

Josh Jackson will be just fine...IF we get an NBA level point guard so he doesn't feel so inclined to force the issue on offense, and IF we get a decent head coach who can teach him how to defend in the NBA with discipline.

 

[devilalum]

I’m against drafting any more players that can’t shoot. The belief that they’ll learn to shoot after they get to the NBA is stupid. Sure a few players have accomplished this but way more often than not bad college shooters become bad NBA shooters.


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[AzStevenCal]

I’m against drafting any more players that can’t shoot. The belief that they’ll learn to shoot after they get to the NBA is stupid. Sure a few players have accomplished this but way more often than not bad college shooters become bad NBA shooters.

Yeah, I have sworn off players with injury history and those that can't shoot. Neither means they can't have great careers, but the odds are already against them so why pick someone with an extra black mark.

 

[devilalum]

Yeah, I have sworn off players with injury history and those that can't shoot. Neither means they can't have great careers, but the odds are already against them so why pick someone with an extra black mark.

Really all you have to do is compare Bridges and Jackson.


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[AzStevenCal]

Really all you have to do is compare Bridges and Jackson.

Yeah, Jackson still has the higher ceiling probably but without the ability to shoot, he's destined to remain closer to his floor. For our sakes, I hope he beats the trend and learns how to shoot well.

 

[devilalum]

Yeah, Jackson still has the higher ceiling probably but without the ability to shoot, he's destined to remain closer to his floor. For our sakes, I hope he beats the trend and learns how to shoot well.

Yep, wings that can’t shoot are useless. It’s hard to contribute from any position in today’s NBA if you can’t shoot but wings have to shoot.


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[TJ]

TJ McConnell was a DNP-CD yesterday for Philly in Butler’s first game. Just saying....

 

[Hoop Head]

Did anyone else see Fultz' new FT routine? I feel bad for the kid. I hope he gets it together but the longer this goes on the less chance I think that happens.

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[Hoop Head]

Good news is that the Sixers beat the Jazz and in the process Mitchell took 35 shots without registering an assist. The Jazz have been struggling and it seems like there fans think Rubio needs to go to bring in another scorer. The reason they think Rubio needs to go is because Mitchell needs the ball in his hands more. Outside of Mitchell they don't have a consistent scoring threat except for Joe Ingles, who is a role player at best. I'm starting to hope that the Suns can swing a deal for Rubio. I don't know if I would do TJ for Rubio still, I'd consider it but probably want a pick of right to swap picks for a couple seasons. If they can hold off and struggle enough until we're able to trade Ariza that might be a possibility.


Here's the boxscore for the Jazz/Sixers game. Mitchell's 35 FG's without an assist is the most since 2014 when Melo took 35 also, but he scored 62 points. Mitchell only scored 31. That's not even a point per shot attempt.

https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/utah-jazz-philadelphia-76ers-2018111620/

 

[Ronin]

Did anyone else see Fultz' new FT routine? I feel bad for the kid. I hope he gets it together but the longer this goes on the less chance I think that happens.

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[JCSunsfan]

Yeah, I have sworn off players with injury history and those that can't shoot. Neither means they can't have great careers, but the odds are already against them so why pick someone with an extra black mark.

You pick those types of players in the late first round or second round, but not with lottery picks.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Good news is that the Sixers beat the Jazz and in the process Mitchell took 35 shots without registering an assist. The Jazz have been struggling and it seems like there fans think Rubio needs to go to bring in another scorer. The reason they think Rubio needs to go is because Mitchell needs the ball in his hands more. Outside of Mitchell they don't have a consistent scoring threat except for Joe Ingles, who is a role player at best. I'm starting to hope that the Suns can swing a deal for Rubio. I don't know if I would do TJ for Rubio still, I'd consider it but probably want a pick of right to swap picks for a couple seasons. If they can hold off and struggle enough until we're able to trade Ariza that might be a possibility.


Here's the boxscore for the Jazz/Sixers game. Mitchell's 35 FG's without an assist is the most since 2014 when Melo took 35 also, but he scored 62 points. Mitchell only scored 31. That's not even a point per shot attempt.

https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/utah-jazz-philadelphia-76ers-2018111620/

The problem is that last year was an anomoly year for Rubio. He has returned to his historic game. He is shooting .342 from the field and .274 from the three. It's a good thing Rubio has revealed that last year was all a sham before we traded for him.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I don't know if I would do TJ for Rubio still, I'd consider it but probably want a pick of right to swap picks for a couple seasons.

I think you greatly overvalue Rubio. Even his best year wasn't much more than average and for most of his career, he's been the focal point of all blame from his local fans. I'd trade Bender and the Milwaukee pick for him and I'm not sure that's not an overpay. It's tough to match up in today's game when your point guard is such a non-threat and so far Rubio is shooting 27% from 3 and 39% from 2 (32% and 41% for his career).

 

[overseascardfan]

To be fair though, the biggest knock on De'Aaron Fox was he couldn't shoot either but this year he's shooting 50% & 41% from the field and 3 pt line, he is shooting less that 70% from FT but he looks to have improved his shooting since coming into the league so there is at least hope for Jackson.

 

[AzStevenCal]

To be fair though, the biggest knock on De'Aaron Fox was he couldn't shoot either but this year he's shooting 50% & 41% from the field and 3 pt line, he is shooting less that 70% from FT but he looks to have improved his shooting since coming into the league so there is at least hope for Jackson.

Quite true and I had concerns about him because of it but as I recall, his shot trended upward the second half of his year in Kentucky. Anyway, there is always hope but let's face it, far more players disappoint. If they were unable to become decent shooters the first 20 years of their life, it's not likely to change IMO. I bought into the "teach them to shoot" idea for a little while when I read a Hinkie article about it but watching it play out in reality has been a completely different story IMO.