2018-19 Season | Point Guard Discussion

[1Sun]

Beal makes Booker tradeable. Honestly, Booker has some improvement to do. He needs to improve his efficiency and defense.

I am not seriously espousing trading Booker, but there are some things.

Just hypothetically, would anyone consider Booker for Lillard and one of Portland's young power forward prospects?

 

[Mainstreet]

Well...Ryan Anderson, De'Anthony Melton and the Milwaukee Pick, then?

I don't think the Wizards would want another year of Anderson's contract. Maybe Ariza, Bender, Melton and the Bucks pick.

It would sell the trade better too.

 

[devilalum]

His 3p% last night was .417. Booker is .363 on the season. In fact, the only time this season Booker shot better than .400 from 3 was the first game against Dallas.

They're both shooting 34% for the season but Book takes more shots.
Their stats on the season are almost identical but Wall is 6 years older.

https://stats.nba.com/vs/#!/?PlayerID=1626164&VsPlayerID=202322

 

[GatorAZ]

I don't think the Wizards would want another year of Anderson's contract. Maybe Ariza, Bender, Melton and the Bucks pick.

It would sell the trade better too.

So you tell them if you want to save 150 mil you will take the extra year if Ryno. The contract is nearly untradeable so the Suns are in a position of power.

 

[devilalum]

Just hypothetically, would anyone consider Booker for Lillard and one of Portland's young power forward prospects?

You think Booker has greater value than Lillard?

Didn't realize Lillard and Wall are the same age.

https://stats.nba.com/vs/#!/?PlayerID=203081&VsPlayerID=202322

 

[AzStevenCal]

You think Booker has greater value than Lillard?

Didn't realize Lillard and Wall are the same age.

https://stats.nba.com/vs/#!/?PlayerID=203081&VsPlayerID=202322

Lillard is the better player right now. But Damian has peaked, Booker hasn't. Assuming neither has demanded a move, I wouldn't make the trade if I were Phoenix or Portland.

 

[1Sun]

Lillard is the better player right now. But Damian has peaked, Booker hasn't. Assuming neither has demanded a move, I wouldn't make the trade if I were Phoenix or Portland.

If the Suns somehow acquired Beal, Lillard would be a MUCH better fit with him than Booker, though Booker has the potential to be better than Lillard down the road and is much younger. From Portland's perspective, this is only if they feel they need to change things up based on the perception of the team having peaked with the Lillard/McCollum backcourt.

Under no circumstances do I want Booker to continue playing the point.

 

[Mainstreet]

So you tell them if you want to save 150 mil you will take the extra year if Ryno. The contract is nearly untradeable so the Suns are in a position of power.

I'm all for getting the best trade possible. Star players seem to be getting less than peak value.

 

[elindholm]

The only reason there's any discussion at all about trading Booker is that the incompetent front office has forced him to play away from his strengths. Keep Booker, get a PG, and then re-evaluate.

 

[1Sun]

The only reason there's any discussion at all about trading Booker is that the incompetent front office has forced him to play away from his strengths. Keep Booker, get a PG, and then re-evaluate.

I concur with this approach and only offered up the hypothetical if for some strange reason the front office were to trade for Bradley Beal (or any other shooting guard) instead of a PG.

 

[Hoop Head]

Two things about Wall, an unnamed Wizards player stood up for Scott Brooks and said that they love playing for him. They don't like playing with John Wall though. [Link](

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Also Zach Lowe discussed the trade kicker that Wall has. If Wall is traded this season the trade kicker would end up costing the Wizards $21 million. If they wait to trade him and do so after the season and the draft this year then the trade kicker would be next to nothing since his super max kicks in and a trader kicker can't pay him more than the max amount he could earn and the super max is the maximum amount he can be paid. That's on Lowe's podcast, here is the link for that.

So while they may want to move on from Wall, it will be very expensive for them to do so this season. I know they don't have a lot of options but it's unlikely the Wizards turn things around and go on a run this year with Wall or without him unless they can do a trade like the Kawhi deal where they would get a star of sorts in return. No one will part with any sort of star for him though.

 

[elindholm]

So while they may want to move on from Wall, it will be very expensive for them to do so this season.

I think Lowe is outsmarting himself. Yes, the Wizards have to pay a bigger trade kicker if they move Wall this season. But if they wait until next season, they have to take back a ton of salary in return, which will end up costing them even more. Financially speaking, the right move is to trade him now, eat the kicker, and move on.

 

[devilalum]

The only reason there's any discussion at all about trading Booker is that the incompetent front office has forced him to play away from his strengths. Keep Booker, get a PG, and then re-evaluate.

Or even let him get his hammy right and get him some help. If you added Beal to the current roster Booker would get much better looks and not have to handle the ball as much.


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[1Sun]

Or even let him get his hammy right and get him some help. If you added Beal to the current roster Booker would get much better looks and not have to handle the ball as much.


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What makes you say that? The team would still be lacking a distributor and facilitator.

 

[devilalum]

What makes you say that? The team would still be lacking a distributor and facilitator.

Beal would alleviate some of the focus on Booker. If you buy into the motion offense concept.


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[1Sun]

Beal would alleviate some of the focus on Booker. If you buy into the motion offense concept.


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Except that Kokoskov himself was recently quoted as saying that a facilitating point guard is critical to his motion offense. The team still would be bereft of those.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Except that Kokoskov himself was recently quoted as saying that a facilitating point guard is critical to his motion offense. The team still would be bereft of those.

I didn't realize that. I heard him talking about the importance of having a point guard on the floor as a leader, I must have missed the "facilitating" part.

 

[1Sun]

I didn't realize that. I heard him talking about the importance of having a point guard on the floor as a leader, I must have missed the "facilitating" part.

His words were "to make the offense go" and were in the context of facilitation.

 

[Proximo]

Well...Ryan Anderson, De'Anthony Melton and the Milwaukee Pick, then?

Yes, that is exactly the trade I would offer, if I actually wanted Wall - I don’t.

 

[devilalum]

Except that Kokoskov himself was recently quoted as saying that a facilitating point guard is critical to his motion offense. The team still would be bereft of those.

Yeah

That’s the opposite of a really long analysis I read on some site earlier today talking about how Beal would be a perfect fit.


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[AzStevenCal]

His words were "to make the offense go" and were in the context of facilitation.

I think you're creating that context. I took what he said to mostly mean that the PG was responsible for getting everyone on the same page. I don't mean to suggest that the PG has no facilitating responses, but you imply (or state) that his facilitating responsibility is even greater in Koko's offense than in other schemes and I have not heard anything from our coach that suggests such a thing. Quite the contrary, in fact.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Yeah

That’s the opposite of a really long analysis I read on some site earlier today talking about how Beal would be a perfect fit.

I agree. My preference would be to focus on acquiring a quality power forward but IMO Beal and Booker could handle the guard duties between them quite well.

 

[Chaplin]

Just got this alert (and it comes from The Atlantic):

Fultz Open to Being Moved
Markelle would prefer 'fresh start with new team', is dealing with wrist issue that is impacting shooting.

 

[devilalum]

Just got this alert (and it comes from The Atlantic):

Fultz Open to Being Moved
Markelle would prefer 'fresh start with new team', is dealing with wrist issue that is impacting shooting.

You think Fultz will ever get out of his own head?


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[devilalum]

I don’t think any player on earth enjoys himself more after a dunk than Zion Williamson.


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