2018-19 Season | Point Guard Discussion

[AzStevenCal]

Maybe not but the Suns could wait a long time before adding another key player.

It would commit the Suns to playing Booker at point guard and moving Bridges to small forward but it could be a devastating lineup.

I wouldn't hate the move, I just see a bigger need even if the Booker to PG move is permanent. And unlike Wall, Beal won't be a negative value trade. Washington will be expecting a decent return, almost surely demanding our unprotected or mostly unprotected first. Not making a trade now will likely make for another depressing year of basketball but I'd rather have a shot at Zion than another shooting guard.

 

[Mainstreet]

I was looking at Beal's stats. He is a decent distributor so he might feed fill the Suns longtime desire to have two combo guards playing next two each other. He is averaging 3.4 assists for his career although he turns it over 2.0 times. Perhaps this would improve with two ball handlers.

 

[Chaplin]

I was looking at Beal's stats. He is a decent distributor so he might feed fill the Suns longtime desire to have two combo guards playing next two each other. He is averaging 3.4 assists for his career although he turns it over 2.0 times. Perhaps this would improve with two ball handlers.

I don't understand your last sentence. He is on a team with John Wall. How is he not already on a team with two ball handlers?

 

[Mainstreet]

I wouldn't hate the move, I just see a bigger need even if the Booker to PG move is permanent. And unlike Wall, Beal won't be a negative value trade. Washington will be expecting a decent return, almost surely demanding our unprotected or mostly unprotected first. Not making a trade now will likely make for another depressing year of basketball but I'd rather have a shot at Zion than another shooting guard.

The Suns odds of drafting Zion are probably not that good. It would depend on where the Suns draft. I guess I'm at the point where the Suns next move should be adding a proven player. They could fill their remaining needs in free agency.

 

[Proximo]

A deal for Beal probably has to include this years #1 and TJ Warren.

I am very unsure if that is a good idea or not, especially since he is a 2 guard and so is Devon.

Honestly I am pretty unfamiliar with his game, but he does have a good contract and is the right age. Just not sure how much he would move the needle.

Also if we do trade TJ, I would definitely be opposed to also including JJ in the deal, we would have to pray he would get his act together.

 

[Mainstreet]

I don't understand your last sentence. He is on a team with John Wall. How is he not already on a team with two ball handlers?

I'm only talking about the Suns in this sentence. Booker and Beal should be better ball handlers with less pressure on each other. You make a legitimate point though. I guess I think having Bridges and Ayton as well elevates the Suns to another level.

 

[Chaplin]

I'm only talking about the Suns in this sentence. Booker and Beal should be better ball handlers with less pressure on each other. You make a legitimate point though. I guess I think having Bridges and Ayton as well elevates the Suns to another level.

It SHOULD, sure. But we have yet to see that this year so far.

 

[AzStevenCal]

The Suns odds of drafting Zion are probably not that good. It would depend on where the Suns draft. I guess I'm at the point where the Suns next move should be adding a proven player. They could fill their remaining needs in free agency.

I'd take Zion over any so called proven player that's likely to be available to us. Beal would make us better but how much? Until we fix the bench and the hole at 4 and Ayton learns how to play his position, we're still a bad team dreaming about the lottery.

 

[GatorAZ]

The Suns odds of drafting Zion are probably not that good. It would depend on where the Suns draft. I guess I'm at the point where the Suns next move should be adding a proven player. They could fill their remaining needs in free agency.

The odds are different as well. The bottom 3 records have equal odds to land the #1 pick whereas it used to be 25% for the worst record, 20% for the 2nd worst and 14% for third worst. Now it’s 14% equally for the bottom-3 records. I think that’s beneficial for the Suns because Cleveland will likely finish with the worst record.

 

[AzStevenCal]

It SHOULD, sure. But we have yet to see that this year so far.

I think they will elevate us, eventually, but Bridges needs to add some muscle and learn a few NBA tricks while Ayton needs to add some muscle and learn a lot of basic basketball skills. He's incredibly gifted but he is still very raw.

 

[Mainstreet]

It SHOULD, sure. But we have yet to see that this year so far.

If Bridges were a better ball handler it should.

 

[Mainstreet]

The odds are different as well. The bottom 3 records have equal odds to land the #1 pick whereas it used to be 25% for the worst record, 20% for the 2nd worst and 14% for third worst. Now it’s 14% equally for the bottom-3 records. I think that’s beneficial for the Suns because Cleveland will likely finish with the worst record.

Oh yes, I agree with this.

I'm only saying the Suns chances of getting their preferred player in the draft is more uncertain.

 

[Proximo]

The Suns odds of drafting Zion are probably not that good. It would depend on where the Suns draft. I guess I'm at the point where the Suns next move should be adding a proven player. They could fill their remaining needs in free agency.

I want Zion probably more than anyone, but you have to realize even if the suns finish with worst, 2nd worst or 3rd worst records they all only have a 14% chance at the #1 pick this year - that is as good as it gets, last year we had a 25% chance.

It is far far more likely we will not get Zion, and all the rest of the lottery is pretty much wing players or centers. So in other words, moving our lottery pick, most likely to be used on a wing, to get a know quality good wing is not that bad of an idea.

 

[Mainstreet]

I'd take Zion over any so called proven player that's likely to be available to us. Beal would make us better but how much? Until we fix the bench and the hole at 4 and Ayton learns how to play his position, we're still a bad team dreaming about the lottery.

So, do you feel lucky.

 

[Krangodnzr]

This is another very good draft. Any of the three Duke players would help out, but of course Williamson would probably help the most.

It sucks that there isn't a consensus high pick at PG, but maybe someone jumps out through out the season.

 

[Mainstreet]

I want Zion probably more than anyone, but you have to realize even if the suns finish with worst, 2nd worst or 3rd worst records they all only have a 14% chance at the #1 pick this year - that is as good as it gets, last year we had a 25% chance.

It is far far more likely we will not get Zion, and all the rest of the lottery is pretty much wing players or centers. So in other words, moving our lottery pick, most likely to be used on a wing, to get a know quality good wing is not that bad of an idea.

We agree. This is what I'm saying.

At some point the Suns need to take the next step. They have Booker, Ayton and Bridges.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I want Zion probably more than anyone, but you have to realize even if the suns finish with worst, 2nd worst or 3rd worst records they all only have a 14% chance at the #1 pick this year - that is as good as it gets, last year we had a 25% chance.

It is far far more likely we will not get Zion, and all the rest of the lottery is pretty much wing players or centers. So in other words, moving our lottery pick, most likely to be used on a wing, to get a know quality good wing is not that bad of an idea.

Yeah, you don't want to start that. Posters here are already calling simple facts "hype", can you imagine if we start flaunting our Zion love?

 

[Proximo]

We agree. This is what I'm saying.

At some point the Suns need to take the next step. They have Booker, Ayton and Bridges.

Yes, but I'm not sure Beal is the right guy. If he was a Power forward or a Point Guard I would be all for it.

Would you feel good about giving up both our lottery pick and TJ for him? If we hit on that pick, I'm not so sure that isn't a better combo.

 

[GatorAZ]

This is another very good draft. Any of the three Duke players would help out, but of course Williamson would probably help the most.

It sucks that there isn't a consensus high pick at PG, but maybe someone jumps out through out the season.

Barrett and Reddish (and Little) are good prospects but they wouldn’t be more impactful than Warren or Bridges for a few years. Unless the Suns land the #1 pick in Zion they would trade the pick IMO.

 

[Mainstreet]

Yes, but I'm not sure Beal is the right guy. If he was a Power forward or a Point Guard I would be all for it.

Would you feel good about giving up both our lottery pick and TJ for him? If we hit on that pick, I'm not so sure that isn't a better combo.

There are no guarantees. I'd like the trade much more if it was Jackson and the Suns pick.

I guess I don't want to go through another draft and end up in the same place.

I'm open to any any trades that make sense. The Suns need that third star.

 

[Proximo]

There are no guarantees. I'd like the trade much more if it was Jackson and the Suns pick.

I guess I don't want to go through another draft and end up in the same place.

I'm open to any any trades that make sense. The Suns need that third star.

I would too, but Jackson's value has bottomed out. Realistically he is more of a throw in then a centerpiece now.

I think the only way they would even consider a deal with us would be if Mikal or TJ were included.

 

[Proximo]

Ok, so I was just looking at the draft prospects and I found a PG who looks really good. Stats wise he is absolutely tearing it up except for 3 pt %. But his form doesn't look too bad.

Check this guy out http://www.tankathon.com/players/ja-morant

Other than he is going against small school competition I have no idea why he isn't higher on the mock.

 

[Mainstreet]

I would too, but Jackson's value has bottomed out. Realistically he is more of a throw in then a centerpiece now.

I think the only way they would even consider a deal with us would be if Mikal or TJ were included.

I'm thinking you are right. I wonder if including the Bucks pick would help move the needle.

I believe Jackson has value but I think the Suns need to look at a different position for him like power forward or center. I think Jackson could help as a backup center playing sort of like Holmes.

 

[1Sun]

Evan Sidery presents an interesting perspective about Wall.

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Well...Ryan Anderson, De'Anthony Melton and the Milwaukee Pick, then?

 

[1Sun]

Never can have enough talent.

Tell that to Goran Dragic, Eric Bledsoe, Isaiah Thomas and Jeff Hornacek...