2018 NBA Trade Deadline

[Mainstreet]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...achi-richardson-skal-labissiere-being-shopped

The Kings are apparently shopping Skal Labissiere and Malachi Richardson to clear roster space for a George Hill trade with Cleveland.

Labissiere could be a really interesting buy-low candidate for the Suns.

I'd be interested as well as my post just disappeared.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/labissk01.html

 

[ColdPickleNachos]

Highlights from his most recent game:

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[Raindog]

I would like Labissiere, too... but not sure what Suns could trade for him. I don't know that I would want to give up a first rounder - even the Milwaukee one. Maybe they would take a package of seconds?

 

[Mainstreet]

I would like Labissiere, too... but not sure what Suns could trade for him. I don't know that I would want to give up a first rounder - even the Milwaukee one. Maybe they would take a package of seconds?

I was hoping for 2nd round picks.

Only thinking out loud, but if the Suns acquired Skal, it would also allow the Suns to trade Bender or Chriss, to get another top 10 pick.

So many options.

 

[ColdPickleNachos]

I would like Labissiere, too... but not sure what Suns could trade for him. I don't know that I would want to give up a first rounder - even the Milwaukee one. Maybe they would take a package of seconds?

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[Mainstreet]

Evan Sidery has the right idea. I wouldn't mind, as already noted, the Suns kicking the tires on Zubac as another option.

 

[elindholm]

The Kings are apparently shopping Skal Labissiere and Malachi Richardson to clear roster space for a George Hill trade with Cleveland.

Labissiere could be a really interesting buy-low candidate for the Suns.

I know his numbers are much better than Bender's, but do you think he looks smart enough for the Suns?

 

[ColdPickleNachos]

I know his numbers are much better than Bender's, but do you think he looks smart enough for the Suns?

Let's not play to stereotypes. Clearly he's smart. He wears glasses.

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[Hoop Head]

I wonder if the Suns can work their way into a 3 way deal with Cleveland and Sacramento to get Labissiere. We need to move Monroe to make a roster spot, I think he's the most likely candidate to be moved in that case. We could also use some of our 2nd round picks, we have 4, to help bring him Skal to Phoenix. If we could somehow get a future 1st from Cleveland for sending Monroe there way in addition to George Hill and let Sacramento take the contracts the Cavs are looking to unload.

 

[Mainstreet]

I wonder if the Suns can work their way into a 3 way deal with Cleveland and Sacramento to get Labissiere. We need to move Monroe to make a roster spot, I think he's the most likely candidate to be moved in that case. We could also use some of our 2nd round picks, we have 4, to help bring him Skal to Phoenix. If we could somehow get a future 1st from Cleveland for sending Monroe there way in addition to George Hill and let Sacramento take the contracts the Cavs are looking to unload.

That's how those second round picks can be used to make trades like acquiring Troy Daniels.

 

[SirStefan32]

Can we do Bogdanovic, Labissiere, and Papagiannis for Chriss?

 

[Hoop Head]

Can we do Bogdanovic, Labissiere, and Papagiannis for Chriss?

All for this!

 

[ColdPickleNachos]

Can we do Bogdanovic, Labissiere, and Papagiannis for Chriss?

Great idea! Then we offer Brandon Knight for the Lakers pick, a late first for IT, and the Miami picks for Dragic!

As long as we're reversing fortunes, let's assume the Suns and Lakers picks both pay off big and we draft Ayton and Bagley.

Dragic
Booker
Warren
Bagley
Ayton

With IT, Bogdan, Jackson, Skal, and Bender off the bench.

 

[Mainstreet]

I'm still not sure about the Kings thinking when they drafted Papagiannis at #13 although he is still only 20.

There was a real drop off in talent when the 2016 draft entered the teens.

 

[Hoop Head]

Saw this report about the Cavs and Kings contacting the Mavericks for help in a deal that would move George Hill to the Cavaliers, of course it's a rumor right now but this is the sort of deal the Suns need to work their way into. Apparently Sacramento would take on Frye and Shumpert while George Hill goes to Cleveland but they need the Maverick's help to complete the deal, I assume for a roster spot but the Mavericks are also about $13 million under the cap. The Mav's aren't looking to take on salary beyond this season because they're looking to be players in free agency this summer.

Here is a link to the proposal...

https://cavsnation.com/cavs-rumors-...avericks-to-facilitate-the-george-hill-trade/

If the Suns can work as a facilitator to make a deal work for a contender while picking up a pick or a young player for their assistance they need to jump on it. I know they don't have a roster spot right now but I imagine if they have a chance at a nice young player they can make one easily, buying out Monroe is one way. I think he'll be bought out after the trade deadline anyways if they can't move him before then. They have plenty of 2nd round picks going forward so they don't need to add anymore of those. If the Milwaukee pick conveys to us this year that is one less piece they'll have to make a trade if a star player is put on the trading block elsewhere. First round picks seem to be the most coveted asset in the league nowadays, look what Boston has done with the plethora of picks they had. They've had enough to build a great young team and cash in some in trades also. The only future pick besides their own that the Suns own is the 2021 Miami pick, which has value since it's not protected but who knows what it'll end up being. They have options for that draft though if they want to trade away their own pick, they could trade the lesser pick between the 2 somewhere, but they shouldn't trade away their own picks until they get back to the playoffs because that'll be the year they win the lottery, for someone else to profit.

The Suns should have all 3 of their Centers available now also, which should fit any team's budget that is after a Center. Monroe is making $17.8 million, Chandler is making $13.0 million, and Len is making $4.18 million. I doubt anyone would want to trade for Big Sauce but he's due $6.0 million on a contract that descends in value and isn't guaranteed beyond this season. Chandler's is the only contract that is guaranteed next year, which will cost $13.5 million, but he does still bring value to the table as a veteran leader and rebounder. He might even exert more energy on the defensive end if he were playing for something also. All of the Suns bigs are good rebounders, Chandler and Len are decent rim protectors, and Monroe has a nice offensive game also. I know Len can decline a trade but I don't think he would if he was offered the chance to go to a playoff team or be a starter elsewhere, I'm not sure that would be required though for him to accept a trade. Ideally they'd be able to get a future 1st rounder for one of them though, even if it has some protection this year and next that's fine. Maybe McD could work protection like the Milwaukee pick so we don't get stuck with a really late 1st round pick this year since we don't need anymore this season.

 

[Hoop Head]

I'm still not sure about the Kings thinking when they drafted Papagiannis at #13 although he is still only 20.

There was a real drop off in talent when the 2016 draft entered the teens.

The same could be asked about the Suns taking Bender #4, especially since they decided to trade back into the lottery to get Chriss at #8. From all accounts they traded back in for Chriss specifically, not just to get to get another lottery pick. I liked the move at the time, giving us twice the odds of having a top PF from that draft class that would pan out but hindsight makes that questionable. Neither Chriss or Bender have shown much of being able to play anything but PF, Bender more than Chriss though. Unfortunately Bender appears to be more of a SF than a Center, despite his size. They're still young so we'll see where they end up playing once they fill out a bit more but I'd be surprised if Chriss ever plays anything other than PF.

I wonder if McD would have made that trade to snag Chriss if he'd have known exactly when Bogdan was coming over and that Skal would be on the board still for the Suns at #28. I remember Skal being a lottery pick in a few mock's I saw, I was surprised he slipped that far back. I'm not sure who the Suns would have taken at #13 but I highly doubt Chriss would have been on the board still. He was a top 10 pick in every mock I saw. It was a weak draft though, no one has really stepped up. A 2nd round pick won Rookie of the Year and the best player from that class is a rookie this season. Chriss is actually #9 in scoring amongst everyone from the 2016 draft class, if you exclude Ben Simmons since he made his debut this year.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I think the rise of Booker made Bogdan a bit expendable. McD doubled his chances in getting a big guy by taking both Bender and Chriss. I think he was hoping one of the two would really step up.

 

[Mainstreet]

The same could be asked about the Suns taking Bender #4, especially since they decided to trade back into the lottery to get Chriss at #8. From all accounts they traded back in for Chriss specifically, not just to get to get another lottery pick. I liked the move at the time, giving us twice the odds of having a top PF from that draft class that would pan out but hindsight makes that questionable. Neither Chriss or Bender have shown much of being able to play anything but PF, Bender more than Chriss though. Unfortunately Bender appears to be more of a SF than a Center, despite his size. They're still young so we'll see where they end up playing once they fill out a bit more but I'd be surprised if Chriss ever plays anything other than PF.

I wonder if McD would have made that trade to snag Chriss if he'd have known exactly when Bogdan was coming over and that Skal would be on the board still for the Suns at #28. I remember Skal being a lottery pick in a few mock's I saw, I was surprised he slipped that far back. I'm not sure who the Suns would have taken at #13 but I highly doubt Chriss would have been on the board still. He was a top 10 pick in every mock I saw. It was a weak draft though, no one has really stepped up. A 2nd round pick won Rookie of the Year and the best player from that class is a rookie this season. Chriss is actually #9 in scoring amongst everyone from the 2016 draft class, if you exclude Ben Simmons since he made his debut this year.

As I remember, Bender and Chriss were consensus top ten picks whereas Papagiannis was not. So I can't fault the Suns strategy. They actually drafted the two power forwards they wanted. It's unfortunate Bender and Chriss have not played up to expectations.

I don't think a team should trade back in the draft unless they are sure they are going to draft a player they want. So the Kings must have liked Papagiannis as much as Chriss. However, I don't think most draft experts thought the same.

It's ironic that Skal has fallen out of favor with the Kings as he might have been the best player of the bunch.

I do think McDonough thought Bogdon was coming over but he has a saturation point with certain players like Bledsoe. I think Bogdon not coming over sooner irritated McDonough and he viewed him as expendable. As far as Skal falling this far in the draft, who would guess. Also the Suns got the players they wanted in the first round so Skal was not a priority.

Clear as mud but at least the Suns had identified their targets and accomplished their goals. I think the Kings were winging it to a degree.

 

[Ronin]

Report: Kings also open to trading Skal Labissiere, Malachi Richardson
http://nba.nbcsports.com/2018/01/24/report-kings-also-open-to-trading-skal-labissiere-malachi-richardson/

 

[Hoop Head]

I hope the Suns inquire about Skal. I know freeing a roster spot right now is a little tricky since they're hoping to trade Monroe and get some sort of return for him but Skal is just in the 2nd year of his rookie deal. If he could be had for 2nd round picks they should look at it like they're trading Monroe for him before they finally waive Monroe. Unfortunately Sacramento doesn't have the cap space to trade Monroe for Skal but the Suns could also trade Len for him, if Sacramento wanted to give Len a chance before he becomes a FA this summer. If Skal could be had for a 2nd round pick they might take Len in a deal to make it work and then waive him also. I think they're after roster space more than anything else.

 

[Hoop Head]

I just looked up what George Hill's salary was, he's due $20 million this year, $19 next year, and $18 in his final year. That would set the Cav's way over the luxury tax. You'd think they would be more interested in trading the Brooklyn pick rather than taking on a contract like Hill's. I know they want that Brooklyn pick to rebuild if Lebron leaves but they'll be over the tax threshold even if Lebron leaves and taking on deals like Hill's won't help them at all. He's 31 right now and will turn 32 in May.

 

[Finito]

Chriss looked like the goods last year and I think everyone here expected big things from him this year. It's not his talent it's his attitude and effort. I loved the move when it happened.

Skal is a bum he's underachieved at every level. He's very similar to Chriss the talent is there but not the attitude and effort

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Yeah trading for skal seems to be just trading for more of the same and hoping for different results.

 

[Chaplin]

I just looked up what George Hill's salary was, he's due $20 million this year, $19 next year, and 18 in his final year. That would set the Cav's way over the luxury tax. You'd think they would be more interested in trading the Brooklyn pick rather than taking on a contract like Hill's. I know they want that Brooklyn pick to rebuild if Lebron leaves but they'll be over the tax threshold even if Lebron leaves and taking on deals like Hill's won't help them at all. He's 31 right now and will turn 32 in May.

Cleveland is trading for someone to help them win a title THIS year. Big difference.

 

[Praxis]

Out: Greg Monroe, Troy Daniels
In: Tristan Thompson/Iman Shumpert, JR Smith, Nets pick