2021 Training Camp Thread

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Kicking drills Prater hitting 45 yarders through the 1st and 2nd goal posts no problem

Tyler Newsome terrible in the short punting. Either in the end zone or way too short
 

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Mike is 100 times better owner than his dad was.
Secondly if any of us were an owner of an NFL team I’d be there everyday also
Not at all. There's being involved as an owner, like Robert Kraft, and then there's being in the office every day getting your fingers into every decision football operations makes.

Our owner is the 2nd kind
 

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Mike is 100 times better owner than his dad was.
Secondly if any of us were an owner of an NFL team I’d be there everyday also
Yes if you have a billion dollar business and you ignore it one day you will wake up and it won't be worth $10.
 

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If anyone saw my response, I’m sorry I added to the hi jacking of the thread. Post deleted.
Back to the Training Camp news.
 

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Mike is 100 times better owner than his dad was.
Secondly if any of us were an owner of an NFL team I’d be there everyday also

Yes if you have a billion dollar business and you ignore it one day you will wake up and it won't be worth $10.

Mike is better, and I like him as a person. And I'm not suggesting he should not be in the business or that he should "ignore it". That's just nonsense and twisting the argument.

What I said was that he should not be so heavily involved in football operation decisions. That's why you have a GM. If your trying to tell me that we don't know if he is or not your either not paying attention or you are being disingenuous.

I assume you both have a pension? Would you want the legacy owner of the company that runs your pension fund making decisions on where to invest with no qualifications to do so? Or do you want an experienced fund manager with a bunch of letters after their name doing it?

If you were having a 100 story sky scraper built would you want the son of the owner of "Acme Architects" whose only qualifications are in law to design your building? Or even to be making suggestions to the architect?

I'll never understand why some people think it's ok for unqualified owners to meddle in things they have no knowledge of, especially when the league history of meddlesome owners is one of chaos and failure.

We all know Mike is too heavily involved. To the point where we are all fairly confident Keim is only still GM because he let's Mike meddle, and we all fully expect the next GM to be Adrian Wilson for the exact same reason.
 
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We all don't know that and you don't really either. You just think that you do. For the life of me I don't understand how people who have no 1st hand knowledge of a situation can be this way. Nobody can come to such a conclusion by reading the nonsense and BS on a message board
 

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We all don't know that and you don't really either. You just think that you do. For the life of me I don't understand how people who have no 1st hand knowledge of a situation can be this way. Nobody can come to such a conclusion by reading the nonsense and BS on a message board
How? The Steve Wilks hire *mic drop*
 

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How? The Steve Wilks hire *mic drop*
Really? All the things that go on in private neither you nor I are privy to. I don't know anyone 1st hand in that organization, I don't know anyone 2nd hand either and neither do you. When I went to law school they taught us what hearsay is and everything on this board is just that. Not a single person on this board can claim that they are "in the loop" not even close. I don't see how anyone like me that lives in Tn or someone in Pa and for God's sake across the world in Britain could say they know. It's all speculation, conjecture, with a good helping of BS piled in. So theres your *mic drop*
 
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Trey Smith had a universal 2nd round grade. When he was still there with our 6th round picks it was criminal not to take the punt on his health issues. NFL level doctors and physical regimes were always likely to fix that and if not, well odds are any other 6th rounder is trash anyway and doesn't make the 53. It's all upside.

Maybe the Chiefs have a higher hit rate because they factor these things in and make good decisions whereas we don't.

I hope he has a great career and where he was picked yeah it was a no brainer but let's not downplay what he had as health issues. he had multiple doctors advise him to retire due to recurrent blood clots in both lungs. What they eventually did was get multiple opinions and one expert decided they weren't actually new clots but in fact scar tissue from the prior clots. Going on that they cleared him to return to play if he wanted to. So it's entirely normal for NFL teams to be cautious because it was never really clear the doctors who said that were right. It appears they were but nobody really knew.

I had blood clots in both lungs after a knee surgery, I am obviously not an elite NFL level athlete but it's serious stuff, my uncle died of that in Australia.

But again at that point in the draft he was definitely worth taking a flyer on.
 

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We all don't know that and you don't really either. You just think that you do. For the life of me I don't understand how people who have no 1st hand knowledge of a situation can be this way. Nobody can come to such a conclusion by reading the nonsense and BS on a message board

It's not from anything on this message board. It's from years and years of watching the Cardinals and reading everything that comes out of there.

Just off the top of my head do you think Keim wanted Ernie Accorsi advising on which HC to choose? Have you ever thought "What we need is an outside guy to come in and tell me how to do my job. That will gain me credibility".

And every year when Larry's deal is up "That's up to Mike. I leave that to him". Plus every flight plan video released over what is it now? 3 years? Clearly shows Mike heavily involved in all meetings pertaining to the draft, free agency etc

Here's a Bidwill quote from the firing of Steve Wilks,

"“I looked at the record, I looked at the lack of competitiveness and the direction we were going in and I felt like it was in the best interest of the organization to go in a different direction,” Bidwill said. “It’s a results-oriented business and if you don’t win everybody knows what happens.”

"“When I look back at last year obviously I didn’t get it right,” Bidwill said. “I take responsibility for it and we’re going to make sure we get it right this time around.”

Keim's quote in the same press release,

"“We honestly didn’t feel like we were growing as a football team and heading in the right direction,” Keim said.

In the same presser, Keim's comments on the #1 overall pick.

"“There’s a number of players I’ve already looked at but I think again there will be a lot of discussion between Michael, I and with the new head coach,” Keim said. “Again, it’s too early in the process. There are a lot of different ways we can go.”

It's quite clear the the Wilks hiring and subsequent firing were on Mike, and it's clear from Kliff intro where Mike thanks Accorsi and A-Dub for their help with the head coach search that Mike was heavily involved in Kliff's hiring, if not total control.

If you don't know by this stage that Mike is making most major football operations decisions then you haven't been paying attention. Keim seems to just be there to do the day to day grind.
 

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Really? All the things that go on in private neither you nor I are privy to. I don't know anyone 1st hand in that organization, I don't know anyone 2nd hand either and neither do you. When I went to law school they taught us what hearsay is and everything on this board is just that. Not a single person on this board can claim that they are "in the loop" not even close. I don't see how anyone like me that lives in Tn or someone in Pa and for God's sake across the world in Britain could say they know. It's all speculation, conjecture, with a good helping of BS piled in. So theres your *mic drop*

Did they teach you how to listen to evidence in law school? Or did they tell you that you have to know the person to believe what they say?

Keim and Bidwill have been telling us for years who wears the trousers.
 
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